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autumwind


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We were saying the team would be better in 3-5 years for the last 7ish. They actually were under Hue. I can't believe how far backward the team has gone under this new regime where Reggie and DA decided to bring in horrible players and knapp. It's truly disgusting. I'm speaking out of anger but I'm so tired of the franchise trying to rebuild, restructure, and replace everything.
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Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:

In which basket did he put all his chips then?



He didn't put them into one basket, that's the point.


Maybe you could go a bit more in depth with that answer because that doesn't tell us much of anything.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
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When will people realize that Reggie's decision to Chang the offense to WC with Zone blocking is the reason the Raiders are taking a giant step backwards and causing a 3-5 year rebuilding period.
If he kept the offense the same all he would have to do is rebuild the defense.
Now he needs a whole new team.
Talk about righting the ship he's the one who sunk it.




Last year our PBS sucked without McFadden. Reggie could have put all his chips in the "lets assume McFadden can stay healthy" basket but that would have been really dumb.


In which basket did he put all his chips then?



He didn't put them into one basket, that's the point.


bitty wrote:
Raidin wrote:
bitty wrote:
When will people realize that Reggie's decision to Chang the offense to WC with Zone blocking is the reason the Raiders are taking a giant step backwards and causing a 3-5 year rebuilding period.
If he kept the offense the same all he would have to do is rebuild the defense.
Now he needs a whole new team.
Talk about righting the ship he's the one who sunk it.




Last year our PBS sucked without McFadden. Reggie could have put all his chips in the "lets assume McFadden can stay healthy" basket but that would have been really dumb.



It's much easier to get rid of most of the WRs( the WC uses big WRs for blocking not small fast ones like Ford, Moore) and
have Wisniewski and Veldheer underachieve.
It's always a good idea to Give up on your young players.



So that explains why you want to give up on Ford and Moore. Veldheer hasn't underachieved either.


Then why are the Raidersvlast in the NFL in rushing?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Really believe RM and DA are going to clean house very soon like i said a couple of weeks ago if this team is 1-6 it would not surprise me that Dmac is traded especially if a contending team loses their starting Running Back.
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This Offense is a work in Progress i really feel bad for Palmer cause he is a quality QB in this league
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:

In which basket did he put all his chips then?



He didn't put them into one basket, that's the point.


Maybe you could go a bit more in depth with that answer because that doesn't tell us much of anything.



ZBS is being known for being able to work well with fairly average(or less in-demand) running backs. The aim is that if McFadden gets injured the next man up will still be able to do a reasonable job, similar or even if McFadden leaves we'll easily be able to find a player in the later stages of the draft who can do well. By sticking with a PBS we are basically hoping McFadden stays healthy.


bitty wrote:



Then why are the Raidersvlast in the NFL in rushing?



Because a left tackle performance is based soley on rushing stats. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:

In which basket did he put all his chips then?



He didn't put them into one basket, that's the point.


Maybe you could go a bit more in depth with that answer because that doesn't tell us much of anything.



ZBS is being known for being able to work well with fairly average(or less in-demand) running backs. The aim is that if McFadden gets injured the next man up will still be able to do a reasonable job, similar or even if McFadden leaves we'll easily be able to find a player in the later stages of the draft who can do well. By sticking with a PBS we are basically hoping McFadden stays healthy.


bitty wrote:



Then why are the Raidersvlast in the NFL in rushing?



Because a left tackle performance is based soley on rushing stats. Confused


No it's half of his stats


Can you stop saying that show me where a zone blocking team is good at running the ball. There is one or two in the NFL out of all the teams that run it. So don't bring up things that are not true.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitty wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:

In which basket did he put all his chips then?



He didn't put them into one basket, that's the point.


Maybe you could go a bit more in depth with that answer because that doesn't tell us much of anything.



ZBS is being known for being able to work well with fairly average(or less in-demand) running backs. The aim is that if McFadden gets injured the next man up will still be able to do a reasonable job, similar or even if McFadden leaves we'll easily be able to find a player in the later stages of the draft who can do well. By sticking with a PBS we are basically hoping McFadden stays healthy.


bitty wrote:



Then why are the Raidersvlast in the NFL in rushing?



Because a left tackle performance is based soley on rushing stats. Confused


No it's half of his stats



Jesus that's some dumb [inappropriate/removed] logic.
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Raidin wrote:
bitty wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:

In which basket did he put all his chips then?



He didn't put them into one basket, that's the point.


Maybe you could go a bit more in depth with that answer because that doesn't tell us much of anything.



ZBS is being known for being able to work well with fairly average(or less in-demand) running backs. The aim is that if McFadden gets injured the next man up will still be able to do a reasonable job, similar or even if McFadden leaves we'll easily be able to find a player in the later stages of the draft who can do well. By sticking with a PBS we are basically hoping McFadden stays healthy.


bitty wrote:



Then why are the Raidersvlast in the NFL in rushing?



Because a left tackle performance is based soley on rushing stats. Confused


No it's half of his stats



Jesus that's some dumb [inappropriate/removed] logic.


Can you stop saying that show me where a zone blocking team is good at running the ball. There is one or two in the NFL out of all the teams that run it. So don't bring up things that are not true.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitty wrote:
Raidin wrote:
bitty wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:

In which basket did he put all his chips then?



He didn't put them into one basket, that's the point.


Maybe you could go a bit more in depth with that answer because that doesn't tell us much of anything.



ZBS is being known for being able to work well with fairly average(or less in-demand) running backs. The aim is that if McFadden gets injured the next man up will still be able to do a reasonable job, similar or even if McFadden leaves we'll easily be able to find a player in the later stages of the draft who can do well. By sticking with a PBS we are basically hoping McFadden stays healthy.


bitty wrote:



Then why are the Raidersvlast in the NFL in rushing?



Because a left tackle performance is based soley on rushing stats. Confused


No it's half of his stats



Jesus that's some dumb [inappropriate/removed] logic.


Can you stop saying that show me where a zone blocking team is good at running the ball. There is one or two in the NFL out of all the teams that run it. So don't bring up things that are not true.



A Zone blocking Scheme team leads the league in NFL rushing.
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RM was not the GM for the Packers he was an assitant
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raiders really are a mess right now. Dennis Allen needs to man up and tell his buddy Greg Knapp its over, if not Allen will pay for it. Its hard to judge Jason Tarver when the D simply has no talent. But Knapp is working with a top 10 offense. Raiders will without a doubt have a top 3 pick in the draft.
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Raidin wrote:

ZBS is being known for being able to work well with fairly average(or less in-demand) running backs. The aim is that if McFadden gets injured the next man up will still be able to do a reasonable job, similar or even if McFadden leaves we'll easily be able to find a player in the later stages of the draft who can do well. By sticking with a PBS we are basically hoping McFadden stays healthy.


Maybe we should go get that easy to find RB that can do well in a ZBS right now because we're dead last in rushing with our star RB healthy. We also have our 2 backups healthy but they hardly ever get a carry. I guess we need some patience because we're still transitioning but the fact is we were never this bad at running the ball. At this rate, we won't even get 1000 yards rushing AS A TEAM. Do you realize how bad that is?

I think it's time to stop making excuses and see things for what they are. A gigantic failure all around so far. This team is playing awful football in every aspect of the game.
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Raidin wrote:
bitty wrote:
Raidin wrote:
bitty wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:

In which basket did he put all his chips then?



He didn't put them into one basket, that's the point.


Maybe you could go a bit more in depth with that answer because that doesn't tell us much of anything.



ZBS is being known for being able to work well with fairly average(or less in-demand) running backs. The aim is that if McFadden gets injured the next man up will still be able to do a reasonable job, similar or even if McFadden leaves we'll easily be able to find a player in the later stages of the draft who can do well. By sticking with a PBS we are basically hoping McFadden stays healthy.


bitty wrote:



Then why are the Raidersvlast in the NFL in rushing?



Because a left tackle performance is based soley on rushing stats. Confused


No it's half of his stats



Jesus that's some dumb [inappropriate/removed] logic.


Can you stop saying that show me where a zone blocking team is good at running the ball. There is one or two in the NFL out of all the teams that run it. So don't bring up things that are not true.



A Zone blocking Scheme team leads the league in NFL rushing.


They are 3 in the top ten.
With out RGIII rushing for 252 the Redskins would not be in the top ten. But In the bottom ten in rushing there is the Packers,Colts,Browns,Titans, Bears,Saints and the Raiders.

7 out of the 10 worst rushing teams are zone.
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bitty wrote:

With out RGIII rushing for 252 the Redskins would not be in the top ten. But In the bottom ten in rushing there is the Packers,Colts,Browns,Titans, Bears,Saints and the Raiders
7 out of the 10 worst rushing teams are zone.



Were are you getting your teams from?

http://www.drafttek.com/teamother2012.html

They list the chiefs, Redskins, Dolphins, Seahawks, Texans and Vikings as using ZBS. That's 7 out of the top 10 that use a Zone blocking Scheme.

Another site here:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=646689

Has the chiefs, Redskins, Seahawks, Pats, Eagles and Texans as running ZBS and being in the top 10.
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