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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheVillain112 wrote:
JDLefebvre wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:
Didn't the Bengals make the playoffs and have a winning record, last year?

Yes, I think they are contenders.


Did they beat a team with a winning record last year? No.

However I think they are for real and will contend this year and make some noise.

I believed in the Cards until they barely beat the Dolphins, so now I am very skeptical.


We did actually.

What we didn't do is beat a single team that made the playoffs... Wink

Oops, thats what it was. My bad
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None are SB contenders IMO. Cards defense is nasty, but that offense isn't going to take it far. Vikings are a bit more well-rounded, but I don't see them getting more than 8-9 wins personally and a 1st round exit in the playoffs if they make it. And the Bengals, I don't trust their defense this year.


I didnt see the game but why did Tannehill have so much success against AZ? Is this something they should be concerned about.


I didn't see the whole game, but my guess would be that they underestimated him and got punched in the mouth. I don't see it being a recurring problem though.
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Vikings- Playoff contenders not superbowl contenders. Today was a weird game. 2 ST Tds is awesome but also played a part in the low offensive yardage numbers. Adrian really looked good today. Christian didn't need to be great today. Good QB, Great RB, Lacking Recievers [Outside Harvin] Very good defense so far. We'll see if that keeps up. Vikings are a couple players away.
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You also haven't been missing 2 of your best defenders...And it helps to play the Browns.


Uh, we have been missing several key defenders. Hall, Dunlap, Kirkpatrick, Clements, Sims just to name a few. But since you were just referring to Suggs...

You have beaten the Browns too.

And despite beating the "lower" tier teams, three of our four games have been on the road, not prime time home games. Just sayin............

But we do have plenty of question marks to overcome, so doubt all you want.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vikings and Cards are Contenders.

Bengals are pretenders.
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None are SB contenders IMO. Cards defense is nasty, but that offense isn't going to take it far. Vikings are a bit more well-rounded, but I don't see them getting more than 8-9 wins personally and a 1st round exit in the playoffs if they make it. And the Bengals, I don't trust their defense this year.


I didnt see the game but why did Tannehill have so much success against AZ? Is this something they should be concerned about.


I didn't see the whole game, but my guess would be that they underestimated him and got punched in the mouth. I don't see it being a recurring problem though.


We underestimated Tannehill, that's for damn sure but more than anything I think we underestimated the Miami receivers. We went really easy on em and they made us pay.

William Gay didn't help matters either. Finally got benched late into the 2nd quarter and moved down to the nickel permanently in the 2nd half. Ray Horton didn't help matters either. I saw Patrick Peterson lined up across from Legedu Naanee, the worst receiver on the field at the time, a lot yesterday. Like 10-15 snaps a lot. Ya it's mostly zone coverage but it still makes no real sense to me. PP's been arguably the best CB in the league through 3 games. Use him.
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You also haven't been missing 2 of your best defenders...


Well the Bengals were missing Carlos Dunlop, their best defender, for the first 2 weeks. And they were missing their best LB for the past 2 weeks and their top 4 CBs last week. So overall, they have been hit as hard by the injury bug on defense as any team in the NFL.

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...And it helps to play the Browns.


And it helps to play the Raiders too, but the Steelers couldn't take care of business.
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INbengalfan wrote:
BlaqOptic wrote:
You also haven't been missing 2 of your best defenders...And it helps to play the Browns.


Uh, we have been missing several key defenders. Hall, Dunlap, Kirkpatrick, Clements, Sims just to name a few. But since you were just referring to Suggs...

You have beaten the Browns too.

And despite beating the "lower" tier teams, three of our four games have been on the road, not prime time home games. Just sayin............

But we do have plenty of question marks to overcome, so doubt all you want.

Wait, what?? You do realize that BlaqOptic is a Steelers fan, right? So what's with all this pent up aggression towards the Ravens in your post. Laughing
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I will say this much: A.J. Green has unguardable in 1 on 1s so far this season. If you double him, the Bengals will feed
-Andrew Hawkins - who is basically Darren Sproles with better top end speed.
-Jermaine Greshman - huge target who catches most balls
-Armon Binns - looks like one of those random contributors championship teams have
-Mohammad Sanu - already flashed his cannon arm, can get open as well
-Marvin Jones - big, athletic receiver has to be able to do something

They have 3 really good, diverse targets for the QB. Combine with Green Ellis, who basically does not even lose yardage, and you have an offense with a fairly high floor.
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ThorntonMelon wrote:
And it helps to play the Raiders too, but the Steelers couldn't take care of business.


Stupid post, because a) this has nothing to do with the Steelers, and b) the Steelers arent the ones trying to prove they have reached a certain level.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vikings:

Contender - Wont give this now (thats something saved for the best 6 teams in the league)

Playoff Candidate - possibly. But winning ugly on the road against a division rival is still a good win.

If they takecare of business in the next 2 games (TEN/WAS), I would give them playoff candidate tag then.
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RuskieTitan wrote:
Vikings and Cards are Contenders.

Bengals are pretenders.


I see it as the exact opposite.
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Man, contender or pretender....it's a little too black and white for me.

Bengals - This is a team you can't just sleep on. They're not the Colts from last year, but they're not Green Bay from last year, either. They're going to put up a fight and play to your level. Not quite good enough to dominate against a playoff team, yet, though. We'll see how the season progresses.

Vikings - Wow. What a turnaround from last year. They beat us up pretty good by using our own strategies against us. If Ponder can continue to be as efficient as he has been, this is a team that can beat anyone. The realist in me, however, just doesn't think that this is sustainable in the long haul. Because, what I see, is some great talent around Ponder as well. His efficiency is not only because of his throws, but his receivers' ability to make plays as well. Someone's going to have a bad game or six. It just happens. Very impressed with them so far.

Cardinals - The defense has stepped it up this year. No doubt about that. It wasn't very impressive against the Dolphins at home, but we'll see what happens in the next few games. Also, the O-line isn't as bad as we were led to believe. Or....is it? Is Kolb really that good? These are all very hard questions to answer in week 4. They're winning games, and you can call it division rivalry homerism if you wish, but let's take a look at these wins...

1. Seattle is 1st and goal, 2nd and goal, 3rd and goal, 4th and goal to win the game and couldn't do it. Braylon is exactly who we let go. Could have gone either way.

2. Cardinals handed the Patriots the game on a silver platter with a fumble by Williams. Patriots miss a field goal, though. Here's your silver platter back, Cardinals.

3. Eagles game I can't criticize too much. It was a decisive victory. If I had to put an asterisk on this game, it would be that Kolb helped the Cardinals beat them last year on the bench. The Eagles didn't change their signals. Well, that's not the only reason they won, but it certainly helped. Perhaps, when on the field at QB, Kolb was able to read some plays better than most QB's would. Don't harp on this too much, it's only a possible asterisk.

4. Poor clock management, a Miami fumble, and a HUGE catch allowed that was thrown from dang near the end zone allowed the Cardinals to tie it up. Another silver platter.

Here in Arizona, they've been named the Cardiac Cards. And, for good reason. They get themselves into a bind nearly every game(last year, too) and somehow....the ball bounces in their direction more often than not. Most people would say they'd rather be lucky than good any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I think they're both right now. Will the luck run out? Will Kolb continue to play well? Will the O-line continue to play better than expected? These are the reasons the Cardinals are almost never talked about, as in not even in the discussion, as the best team in the league right now, even though they're 4-0. Earth just sent the Cardinals a card that said, "I miss you. Come back."
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Man, contender or pretender....it's a little too black and white for me.

Bengals - This is a team you can't just sleep on. They're not the Colts from last year, but they're not Green Bay from last year, either. They're going to put up a fight and play to your level. Not quite good enough to dominate against a playoff team, yet, though. We'll see how the season progresses.

Vikings - Wow. What a turnaround from last year. They beat us up pretty good by using our own strategies against us. If Ponder can continue to be as efficient as he has been, this is a team that can beat anyone. The realist in me, however, just doesn't think that this is sustainable in the long haul. Because, what I see, is some great talent around Ponder as well. His efficiency is not only because of his throws, but his receivers' ability to make plays as well. Someone's going to have a bad game or six. It just happens. Very impressed with them so far.

Cardinals - The defense has stepped it up this year. No doubt about that. It wasn't very impressive against the Dolphins at home, but we'll see what happens in the next few games. Also, the O-line isn't as bad as we were led to believe. Or....is it? Is Kolb really that good? These are all very hard questions to answer in week 4. They're winning games, and you can call it division rivalry homerism if you wish, but let's take a look at these wins...

1. Seattle is 1st and goal, 2nd and goal, 3rd and goal, 4th and goal to win the game and couldn't do it. Braylon is exactly who we let go. Could have gone either way.

2. Cardinals handed the Patriots the game on a silver platter with a fumble by Williams. Patriots miss a field goal, though. Here's your silver platter back, Cardinals.

3. Eagles game I can't criticize too much. It was a decisive victory. If I had to put an asterisk on this game, it would be that Kolb helped the Cardinals beat them last year on the bench. The Eagles didn't change their signals. Well, that's not the only reason they won, but it certainly helped. Perhaps, when on the field at QB, Kolb was able to read some plays better than most QB's would. Don't harp on this too much, it's only a possible asterisk.

4. Poor clock management, a Miami fumble, and a HUGE catch allowed that was thrown from dang near the end zone allowed the Cardinals to tie it up. Another silver platter.

Here in Arizona, they've been named the Cardiac Cards. And, for good reason. They get themselves into a bind nearly every game(last year, too) and somehow....the ball bounces in their direction more often than not. Most people would say they'd rather be lucky than good any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I think they're both right now. Will the luck run out? Will Kolb continue to play well? Will the O-line continue to play better than expected? These are the reasons the Cardinals are almost never talked about, as in not even in the discussion, as the best team in the league right now, even though they're 4-0. Earth just sent the Cardinals a card that said, "I miss you. Come back."

Good and fair analysis. I am drinking the red kool aid at the moment based on the last 13 games the team has played but there are many question marks. They do have the killer instinct to never give up. Heart means alot in football. They were down 13-0 yesterday and battled back. There is talent up and down the roster and depth also. We shall see how it plays out.
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I would say Arizona is a contender.

Minnesota is in the middle.

Bengals are a pretender.
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