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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As an addition to my last post above, our Offense has faced 3 top 10 Defenses in Arizona, Dallas, and Green Bay. Now you can make the argument that we've helped all those teams become that good with our inconsistent offense, but that's why we play the games. I guess we'll see how this one turns out. This would be a nice week to have our offense come together. Maybe PC and Bevell will start opening up the playbook for Wilson since they claim they've kept the lid on him so far.


Chicago might have the best front 4 in football right now.
They ate us up.. Phea looked like an all-pro vs Oji.

When it comes to Rivalry games and specially at the rams house
everything gets thrown out the window. While I have us loosing this game sadly I can also see a W. Our Corners can eat up Wilson.

Quinn and Long are always bringing pressure. Hopefully we can
get Brockers back as well.



This is truly the best Seahawks defense that the Rams have ever faced since the division was created,,, and I wouldn't put to much stock in Quinn & Long, TJax was a walking sack dummy last year and I can easily put much of the blame in him for that...


You wouldn't put much stock in Long and Quinn? Well, good luck with that then.

Michael "The Mountain" Brockers also appears that he will be starting his first game. He should make a tremendous difference against the run.
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El ramster wrote:
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As an addition to my last post above, our Offense has faced 3 top 10 Defenses in Arizona, Dallas, and Green Bay. Now you can make the argument that we've helped all those teams become that good with our inconsistent offense, but that's why we play the games. I guess we'll see how this one turns out. This would be a nice week to have our offense come together. Maybe PC and Bevell will start opening up the playbook for Wilson since they claim they've kept the lid on him so far.


Chicago might have the best front 4 in football right now.
They ate us up.. Phea looked like an all-pro vs Oji.

When it comes to Rivalry games and specially at the rams house
everything gets thrown out the window. While I have us loosing this game sadly I can also see a W. Our Corners can eat up Wilson.

Quinn and Long are always bringing pressure. Hopefully we can
get Brockers back as well.



This is truly the best Seahawks defense that the Rams have ever faced since the division was created,,, and I wouldn't put to much stock in Quinn & Long, TJax was a walking sack dummy last year and I can easily put much of the blame in him for that...


You wouldn't put much stock in Long and Quinn? Well, good luck with that then.

Michael "The Mountain" Brockers also appears that he will be starting his first game. He should make a tremendous difference against the run.


I know our O-line isn't perfect, I know that, but this isn't Tarvaris Jackson you will be facing either, Wilson has been able to elude sacks this year and I truly believe he can outrun either Long or Quinn.... just ask Ware-or-Mathews.... and a Rookie DT that will be starting his first game in the NFL coming off of injury, thinking he will have an impact on this game just shows the homer in you...Please don't post the guy's nickname until he earns it.


Guess what Irvin and Clem will be playing in this game as well, and Clem has sacked Bradford 6-1/2 times in the last 4 games Very Happy
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I know our O-line isn't perfect, I know that, but this isn't Tarvaris Jackson you will be facing either, Wilson has been able to elude sacks this year and I truly believe he can outrun either Long or Quinn.... just ask Ware-or-Mathews.... and a Rookie DT that will be starting his first game in the NFL coming off of injury, thinking he will have an impact on this game just shows the homer in you...Please don't post the guy's nickname until he earns it.


Yep, I do think he will have an impact on our rush defense. And it's not because I'm a homer, it's because I know my team. Do you even know who he is without googling his name?

Good luck to Wilson eluding sacks. He can go ahead and try to outrun Long and Quinn but if he's having to do that then Long and Quinn are doing their job.
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Rams rank 19th in total defense, 16th vs the pass and 22nd against the run. Neither of these numbers scare me. IMO, they have played only one truly high end offense in the Lions. The Bears are only slightly ahead of our offense. The Redskins have put up yards, but I don't really see them as a high end offense, the Rams are the best defense they have faced by far. Their other 2 opponents rank 32 (NO) and 29 (Cincinnati). I don't think the Rams D is as good as their ranking indicates, but our offense needs to find out how to exploit that or we're going to struggle. Meanwhile, our D is as good as advertised and I think we will create turnovers that will help our offense, hence my having this game as a blowout. But that is more of a best case scenario. If this team goes into St Louis without a chip on it's shoulder it will be a much different story.


redskins have the best offense in the league since ur going by stats soooo we've play 3 high end offenses and seahawks will be the worst we've faced yet and i doubt u put up 34 on us at home.. and we only score 9
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I know our O-line isn't perfect, I know that, but this isn't Tarvaris Jackson you will be facing either, Wilson has been able to elude sacks this year and I truly believe he can outrun either Long or Quinn.... just ask Ware-or-Mathews.... and a Rookie DT that will be starting his first game in the NFL coming off of injury, thinking he will have an impact on this game just shows the homer in you...Please don't post the guy's nickname until he earns it.


Yep, I do think he will have an impact on our rush defense. And it's not because I'm a homer, it's because I know my team. Do you even know who he is without googling his name?

Good luck to Wilson eluding sacks. He can go ahead and try to outrun Long and Quinn but if he's having to do that then Long and Quinn are doing their job.



Derrrr, Sure I do, DT out of LSU, a little overrated IMHO... That's why he fell out of the top 10..


and, I never meant Wilson was going to be running for his life in this game, I was just saying if your slightly above average pass-rushers broke through the line Wilson could outrun them.... I love Rams fans, either they are totally beatin' down by years & years & years of losing, or they are so defensive about their team it is crazy... The only player I'm worried about on your team is Danny Amendola, he is the type of WR that can gash our defense...
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Rams rank 19th in total defense, 16th vs the pass and 22nd against the run. Neither of these numbers scare me. IMO, they have played only one truly high end offense in the Lions. The Bears are only slightly ahead of our offense. The Redskins have put up yards, but I don't really see them as a high end offense, the Rams are the best defense they have faced by far. Their other 2 opponents rank 32 (NO) and 29 (Cincinnati). I don't think the Rams D is as good as their ranking indicates, but our offense needs to find out how to exploit that or we're going to struggle. Meanwhile, our D is as good as advertised and I think we will create turnovers that will help our offense, hence my having this game as a blowout. But that is more of a best case scenario. If this team goes into St Louis without a chip on it's shoulder it will be a much different story.


redskins have the best offense in the league since ur going by stats soooo we've play 3 high end offenses and seahawks will be the worst we've faced yet and i doubt u put up 34 on us at home.. and we only score 9


The Seahawks will also be the best defense you have faced....BY FAR. Chicago is a top 10 D, but Seattle is a top 3 D. The Bears terrorized your Oline and Offense, and your line is still banged up- good luck. We may only score 13-20 points, but you will have a hard time scoring 10.
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Derrrr, Sure I do, DT out of LSU, a little overrated IMHO... That's why he fell out of the top 10..


and, I never meant Wilson was going to be running for his life in this game, I was just saying if your slightly above average pass-rushers broke through the line Wilson could outrun them.... I love Rams fans, either they are totally beatin' down by years & years & years of losing, or they are so defensive about their team it is crazy... The only player I'm worried about on your team is Danny Amendola, he is the type of WR that can gash our defense...


Well, if you know who Brockers is then you'd know that he's a 6'5" 330 pound run stopping specialist. And if you knew the Rams, you'd know that the guy mainly filling in for him has been a 6'2" 295 pound DT who is better at attacking the backfield and getting penetration than taking on blocks which has led to huge holes and Laurinaitis getting eaten up at times.

So knowing all this, I think you'd realize the value that a very large and very strong DT who is quite good at tying up blocks up the middle would bring to our rush defense.

And if Chris Long is slightly above average, I don't know what that makes Chris Clemons because no one pressured the QB more in 2010 and 2011 combined than Chris Long.

But frankly who you are and aren't worried about doesn't really mean anything to me because you don't seem too knowledgeable.
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Derrrr, Sure I do, DT out of LSU, a little overrated IMHO... That's why he fell out of the top 10..


and, I never meant Wilson was going to be running for his life in this game, I was just saying if your slightly above average pass-rushers broke through the line Wilson could outrun them.... I love Rams fans, either they are totally beatin' down by years & years & years of losing, or they are so defensive about their team it is crazy... The only player I'm worried about on your team is Danny Amendola, he is the type of WR that can gash our defense...


Well, if you know who Brockers is then you'd know that he's a 6'5" 330 pound run stopping specialist. And if you knew the Rams, you'd know that the guy mainly filling in for him has been a 6'2" 295 pound DT who is better at attacking the backfield and getting penetration than taking on blocks which has led to huge holes and Laurinaitis getting eaten up at times.

So knowing all this, I think you'd realize the value that a very large and very strong DT who is quite good at tying up blocks up the middle would bring to our rush defense.

And if Chris Long is slightly above average, I don't know what that makes Chris Clemons because no one pressured the QB more in 2010 and 2011 combined than Chris Long.

But frankly who you are and aren't worried about doesn't really mean anything to me because you don't seem too knowledgeable.


Ware and Matthews were a heck of alot scarier than Long. Long is a damn fine player don't get me wrong. But Ware was shutdown and Matthews was held sackless.

Any way you cut it this is a bad matchup for the Rams. Our D has absolutely manhandled Dal and GB who boast much much more firepower and skill than your O does. Our offense has been lackluster at best but Lynch always manager to move the ball, 1 rookie DT coming off an injury doesnt scare me in the least. Shawn will run the ball, and Russell has only got better and will continue to get better.

Your going to be lucky to put up 10pts, we might only get 12-14. But good luck putting up any points against us.
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Ware and Matthews were a heck of alot scarier than Long. Long is a damn fine player don't get me wrong. But Ware was shutdown and Matthews was held sackless.


Riddle me this, who mainly went up against Ware and Matthews? Who is going up against Long? Long plays LDE. That means he's going up against Breno Giacomini. Quinn will be against Okung.

No offense guys but you really need to be less lazy when it comes to analyzing match-ups.

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Any way you cut it this is a bad matchup for the Rams. Our D has absolutely manhandled Dal and GB who boast much much more firepower and skill than your O does. Our offense has been lackluster at best but Lynch always manager to move the ball, 1 rookie DT coming off an injury doesnt scare me in the least. Shawn will run the ball, and Russell has only got better and will continue to get better.

Your going to be lucky to put up 10pts, we might only get 12-14. But good luck putting up any points against us.


I don't really care if you are "scared" of that rookie DT. He's a major part of our rush defense and might have the most overall impact on it other than Laurinaitis. Your offensive strength and main component is your running game. So getting back a major part of our rush defense is a lot more important than you're giving credit for.

And no, I don't think our offense will do much. If we're going to win, we're going to need come up with some turnovers(calling Cortland Finnegan). We have the defense to force them if our rush defense can hold Lynch in check. We'll see. But having Brockers back will make a world of difference in that.
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Interestingly enough, it looks like Frank Omiyale has a chance to start at RT, if Breno isn't ready to go. He played pretty good against the Cowboys IMO. He needs to cut back on the penalties though.

And Chris Long is good guise. Albeit that we seem to do a decent job at taking care of him.
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This should be an easy win, but my gut keeps telling me that this is a "trap game". I hope my gut is wrong. On paper, we should dominate the Rams. We have a superior defense, a much better running game, but they might have a slight advantage in the passing game. That should be negated though, by Browner, Sherman, Thomas and Chancellor. Looking at the St. Louis O-Line, I'm predicting 4 sacks, by the Seahawks defense.


My final score prediction is 16-7 Seahawks, thanks to a Marshawn Lynch TD run and 3 Haschka FG's.
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I know our O-line isn't perfect, I know that, but this isn't Tarvaris Jackson you will be facing either, Wilson has been able to elude sacks this year and I truly believe he can outrun either Long or Quinn.... just ask Ware-or-Mathews.... and a Rookie DT that will be starting his first game in the NFL coming off of injury, thinking he will have an impact on this game just shows the homer in you...Please don't post the guy's nickname until he earns it.


Yep, I do think he will have an impact on our rush defense. And it's not because I'm a homer, it's because I know my team. Do you even know who he is without googling his name?

Good luck to Wilson eluding sacks. He can go ahead and try to outrun Long and Quinn but if he's having to do that then Long and Quinn are doing their job.



Derrrr, Sure I do, DT out of LSU, a little overrated IMHO... That's why he fell out of the top 10..


and, I never meant Wilson was going to be running for his life in this game, I was just saying if your slightly above average pass-rushers broke through the line Wilson could outrun them.... I love Rams fans, either they are totally beatin' down by years & years & years of losing, or they are so defensive about their team it is crazy... The only player I'm worried about on your team is Danny Amendola, he is the type of WR that can gash our defense...



A little overrated? I had Brockers as the most overrated prospect in the entire draft. I smell "bust" all over this guy. He wasn't in my top 100.
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Rams rank 19th in total defense, 16th vs the pass and 22nd against the run. Neither of these numbers scare me. IMO, they have played only one truly high end offense in the Lions. The Bears are only slightly ahead of our offense. The Redskins have put up yards, but I don't really see them as a high end offense, the Rams are the best defense they have faced by far. Their other 2 opponents rank 32 (NO) and 29 (Cincinnati). I don't think the Rams D is as good as their ranking indicates, but our offense needs to find out how to exploit that or we're going to struggle. Meanwhile, our D is as good as advertised and I think we will create turnovers that will help our offense, hence my having this game as a blowout. But that is more of a best case scenario. If this team goes into St Louis without a chip on it's shoulder it will be a much different story.


redskins have the best offense in the league since ur going by stats soooo we've play 3 high end offenses and seahawks will be the worst we've faced yet and i doubt u put up 34 on us at home.. and we only score 9


Actually, I was going by Yards per Game which has the Redskins 6th, but I also looked at who they've (the Redskins) played, which is why I mentioned the Saints and Bengals who have atrocious defenses so far this year. That contributes to making the Redskins look better than they are. The only legit high end offense you have played thus far IMO is Detroit. I don't believe the Redskins are legit yet, they may prove me wrong later this year, but I think the league will catch up to RGIII and slow the 'Skins down. The Bears are not a high end offense, they are more along the lines of Seahawks and they whooped up on the Rams. The 'Hawks will be the worst offense you have faced so far, but the 'Hawks also have the best D as well, so I think they can create some TO's which could shorten the field and get our offense some easy points. This D has shut down Romo and Rodgers, both of whom are far superior to Bradford. At this point, it will take a herculean effort in all phases of the game for the Rams to beat us. Unless, as I previously stated, the 'Hawks come out with no intensity and just try to coast through this one.
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Derrrr, Sure I do, DT out of LSU, a little overrated IMHO... That's why he fell out of the top 10..


and, I never meant Wilson was going to be running for his life in this game, I was just saying if your slightly above average pass-rushers broke through the line Wilson could outrun them.... I love Rams fans, either they are totally beatin' down by years & years & years of losing, or they are so defensive about their team it is crazy... The only player I'm worried about on your team is Danny Amendola, he is the type of WR that can gash our defense...


Well, if you know who Brockers is then you'd know that he's a 6'5" 330 pound run stopping specialist. And if you knew the Rams, you'd know that the guy mainly filling in for him has been a 6'2" 295 pound DT who is better at attacking the backfield and getting penetration than taking on blocks which has led to huge holes and Laurinaitis getting eaten up at times.

So knowing all this, I think you'd realize the value that a very large and very strong DT who is quite good at tying up blocks up the middle would bring to our rush defense.

And if Chris Long is slightly above average, I don't know what that makes Chris Clemons because no one pressured the QB more in 2010 and 2011 combined than Chris Long.

But frankly who you are and aren't worried about doesn't really mean anything to me because you don't seem too knowledgeable.



NOT in the NFL, he hasn't even played 1 regular season snap yet, so how can you even say this and be serious?, I know your team and I know it well.. and yes IMO Long is a slightly above average Pass-rusher, but as an all-around football players he's a very good players though, and I agree with you on Clem he is a good pass-rusher but no where near elite.

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But frankly who you are and aren't worried about doesn't really mean anything to me because you don't seem too knowledgeable.


That isn't necessary, but this sounds like a guy who is scared of this game, so I'll let it pass.
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Derrrr, Sure I do, DT out of LSU, a little overrated IMHO... That's why he fell out of the top 10..


and, I never meant Wilson was going to be running for his life in this game, I was just saying if your slightly above average pass-rushers broke through the line Wilson could outrun them.... I love Rams fans, either they are totally beatin' down by years & years & years of losing, or they are so defensive about their team it is crazy... The only player I'm worried about on your team is Danny Amendola, he is the type of WR that can gash our defense...



A little overrated? I had Brockers as the most overrated prospect in the entire draft. I smell "bust" all over this guy. He wasn't in my top 100.



I never paid any attention to him during the draft.. I didn't watch him in college, and when I watched tape on the guy he seemed overrated from what everyone was saying about the guy...
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