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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bpastermack wrote:
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Matt Elam is the best athlete I have ever covered (journalistically, not physically). There is no doubt in my mind that he could be the starting RB at UF also. He plays with an edge, but is a nice guy off the field. Exactly what any NFL team wants.


Florida has an NFL caliber RB too though. That guy could start for some NFL teams tomorrow.


UF wanted him to play RB, and Elam told all schools he was a defensive player. In a HS state championship game, I saw Elam have 6 carries 200+ and 3 TD in the first half. The quickest amateur player I have ever seen. I've seen many D1 backs play also. Elam is easily the most impressive.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1- Sam Montgomery.. DE/OLB... 6'5" 260... LSU..
49 tkls.. 13.5 tfl... 9 sacks

2- Carrington Byndom.. CB.. 6'0" 180.. Texas..
53 tkls.. 7 tfl... 15 pd.. 2 ints ...

2- DaRick Rodgers.. WR.. 6'3" 208... Tenn.
67 rep.. 1,040 yrds.. 9 tds

3- Alvin Bailey... OT/G... 6'5" 319....Arkansas


3- Andrew Jackson... ILB.. 6'1" 260.. Western Kentucky
109 tkls... 17 tfl.. 3.5 sacks

4- Dallas Thomas.. OT.. 6'5" 310.. Tenn.

5- Aaron Mallette.. WR.. 6'3" 214.. Elon
86 reps.. 1,100 yrds.. 12 tds

6- Kenjon Barner.. RB.. 5' 11" 195... Oregon
939 rushing yrds.. 11 tds... 6.2 ypc.. 10.1 returns per punt.. KR 22.5 avg

7- Ray Ray Armstrong.. S... 6'4" 219... Faulkner University


7- Braden Hansen... OG... 6'6" 310... BYU
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we are looking at DE prospects, I gladly submit Bjorn Werner to the debate from Florida State. Dude has only been playing organized football for a few years and he is a beast on FSU defense both in run coverage and pass rushing. Needs to add more moves to his arsenal, but again he is new to the sport and should only get better.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

another DE I'm watching is ..... Damontre Moore.. 6' 4" 250..
Texas A&M

Moore was moved to DE this season.. he has started out the season as a pass-rushing terror, his speed around the edge is a huge mismatch against OT. he's a junior and has 16 tackles and 5 sacks so far in 2012. He had 10 tackles and 3 sacks against Florida in the season opener.

last season He had 72 tackles with 17.5 tackles for a loss, 8.5 sacks and 4 FF... as a freshman - 5.5 sacks, 6.5 tackles for a loss, three forced fumbles, and 40 tackles.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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another DE I'm watching is ..... Damontre Moore.. 6' 4" 250..
Texas A&M

Moore was moved to DE this season.. he has started out the season as a pass-rushing terror, his speed around the edge is a huge mismatch against OT. he's a junior and has 16 tackles and 5 sacks so far in 2012. He had 10 tackles and 3 sacks against Florida in the season opener.

last season He had 72 tackles with 17.5 tackles for a loss, 8.5 sacks and 4 FF... as a freshman - 5.5 sacks, 6.5 tackles for a loss, three forced fumbles, and 40 tackles.


That kind of production will come with playing across from Sean Porter. I'll have to take a look at him on film though.
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another DE I'm watching is ..... Damontre Moore.. 6' 4" 250..
Texas A&M

Moore was moved to DE this season.. he has started out the season as a pass-rushing terror, his speed around the edge is a huge mismatch against OT. he's a junior and has 16 tackles and 5 sacks so far in 2012. He had 10 tackles and 3 sacks against Florida in the season opener.

last season He had 72 tackles with 17.5 tackles for a loss, 8.5 sacks and 4 FF... as a freshman - 5.5 sacks, 6.5 tackles for a loss, three forced fumbles, and 40 tackles.


That kind of production will come with playing across from Sean Porter. I'll have to take a look at him on film though.


The same could be said about the LSU DE's................ Moore would be playing across from Wake.. but.. what I like is production from OLB and DE .... .. but yeah.. check some film...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone asking for a DE early in the draft do you not see Vernon as a major contributor in the upcoming years or is it just the fact that having multiple pass rushers is such an advantage?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Everyone asking for a DE early in the draft do you not see Vernon as a major contributor in the upcoming years or is it just the fact that having multiple pass rushers is such an advantage?


I think an additional pass rusher in round 2 or 3 would be fantastic for this defense. I think we still need another rotational specialist end rusher (Vernon is more balanced and not quite as explosive in the rush game) and an additional DT type who can get after it as well.

I think EARLY we need someone who touches the ball and makes plays with it in their hands.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Everyone asking for a DE early in the draft do you not see Vernon as a major contributor in the upcoming years or is it just the fact that having multiple pass rushers is such an advantage?



There's a number of appropriate answers to that really.

1.) Vernon is still a developing player right now so we could always use help at the position.

2.) A 1st round pass rusher would probably develop into a better player than Vernon who was what, a 3rd rounder?

3.) Odrick might be moved inside in the event that Starks is lost as a FA. We'd want more than Vernon at that point.


I still think that a FS or WR should be considered as a top-10 selection because they might both be bigger needs for us right now, BUT adding to our relatively average pass rush is not a bad idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phinmun wrote:
ojmcduff wrote:
Everyone asking for a DE early in the draft do you not see Vernon as a major contributor in the upcoming years or is it just the fact that having multiple pass rushers is such an advantage?



There's a number of appropriate answers to that really.

1.) Vernon is still a developing player right now so we could always use help at the position.

2.) A 1st round pass rusher would probably develop into a better player than Vernon who was what, a 3rd rounder?

3.) Odrick might be moved inside in the event that Starks is lost as a FA. We'd want more than Vernon at that point.


I still think that a FS or WR should be considered as a top-10 selection because they might both be bigger needs for us right now, BUT adding to our relatively average pass rush is not a bad idea.


in my opinion the bolded above is the first thing we should think about doing with the interior line IF we let starks walk
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly to this point Vernon's biggest impact has come in coverage and from a stand up position. His pressures tend to come when we put him at LB and move him around almost as a JACK player. It's kind of strange but I like it. Shelby has been the more effective hand in the ground rusher. In a perfect world we enter next season with:

Rookie DE/Vernon/Wake/Shelby as capable pass rushers outside, with Odrick and Starks inside on passing and pressure situations. I was talking with a college head coach today, D1 program, and he was talking about pass rushing as disrupting the peace and advantages in footspeed. I am interested to see Vernon play inside on passing downs and stunt outside, and having Shelby twist inside.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Honestly to this point Vernon's biggest impact has come in coverage and from a stand up position. His pressures tend to come when we put him at LB and move him around almost as a JACK player. It's kind of strange but I like it. Shelby has been the more effective hand in the ground rusher. In a perfect world we enter next season with:

Rookie DE/Vernon/Wake/Shelby as capable pass rushers outside, with Odrick and Starks inside on passing and pressure situations. I was talking with a college head coach today, D1 program, and he was talking about pass rushing as disrupting the peace and advantages in footspeed. I am interested to see Vernon play inside on passing downs and stunt outside, and having Shelby twist inside.


I personally think we've got too many good interior rushers to see Vernon line up inside unless we're in a 5 man front though. Intriguing possibility, but Starks/Odrick will fill those roles barring an injury.
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Honestly to this point Vernon's biggest impact has come in coverage and from a stand up position. His pressures tend to come when we put him at LB and move him around almost as a JACK player. It's kind of strange but I like it. Shelby has been the more effective hand in the ground rusher. In a perfect world we enter next season with:

Rookie DE/Vernon/Wake/Shelby as capable pass rushers outside, with Odrick and Starks inside on passing and pressure situations. I was talking with a college head coach today, D1 program, and he was talking about pass rushing as disrupting the peace and advantages in footspeed. I am interested to see Vernon play inside on passing downs and stunt outside, and having Shelby twist inside.


I personally think we've got too many good interior rushers to see Vernon line up inside unless we're in a 5 man front though. Intriguing possibility, but Starks/Odrick will fill those roles barring an injury.


It's just interesting. A front like:

Misi___Vernon____Odrick/Starks/Shelby____Wake

Is very intriguing to me. Misi and wake loop inside, Vernon and the other inside player loop outside is a lot of speed up front, and will cause quick rotations by linemen. That tends to open up a blitz off the edge or even a delayed blitz through the middle. In limited action this season Misi is pass rushing much better.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damontre moore is a better pro prospect the sean porter in my opinion
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I see no reason we should be letting Starks go unless he asks for some rediculous salary. I know it's a position of strength right now, but I'd like to keep it that way. If indeed we plan to build through the draft and not free agents, then we need to make sure we keep the talent we already have on the roster. We are currently over 50 mil under the cap going into next season. We have plenty of money to resign Bush, Hartline, Long, McDaniels, Starks, Smith, and Fasano.

Long - 12 mil per
Bush - 7 mil per
Hartline - 6 mil per
Smith - 7 mil per
Fasano - 3 mil per
Starks - 6 mil per
McDaniels - 3 mil per

Even at these numbers, and you could argue more or less for each guy, we are talking about 44 mil. Am I missing somebody? Am I too conservative in my numbers? I see no reason we can't resign any of these guys we want to resign as long as they aren't asking for numbers they just aren't worth. It's very likely one of those guys above just gets a rediculous offer from somebody and we don't get them back. If that happens whether it be Jake Long or Tony mCdANIELS, THEN we let them walk, but I don't think any one of those guys is a guy we let walk if the money is right.

Notice I put Jake Long in at 12 mil. I wouldn't pay him any more than that. If another team offers him more and he takes it, then we go looking elsewhere in free agency for a LT or another position of need and draft a LT. I still think we should try to resign Long, but only at a price that makes sense. I wouldn't give him the 15 mil he is making now.
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