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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

phinmun wrote:
cddolphin wrote:
He may take a hometown discount. Other teams can see on film that he is playing injured and $40-50 million is nothing to scoff at.



And if after this whole season is over and done with and we're still talking about his not fitting this offense then it's safe to say a lot of the competition we anticipate being out there vying for Jake's services will have less interest, too.

Who doesn't run a ZBS now-a-days? Serious question, Who's going to look at Jake Long as a perfect fit if he doesn't fit here?

I said the Jets originally. Who else?


His stock is dropping with every gm.
I don't think it's fair to put Tanneyhills development on JL's shoulders anymore.

We should seriously look at the prospects of trading him to either Chi or Philly & take what we can get for him
I'd gladly take a 2nd - High 3rd rnd pk today.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SUG wrote:
phinmun wrote:
cddolphin wrote:
He may take a hometown discount. Other teams can see on film that he is playing injured and $40-50 million is nothing to scoff at.



And if after this whole season is over and done with and we're still talking about his not fitting this offense then it's safe to say a lot of the competition we anticipate being out there vying for Jake's services will have less interest, too.

Who doesn't run a ZBS now-a-days? Serious question, Who's going to look at Jake Long as a perfect fit if he doesn't fit here?

I said the Jets originally. Who else?


His stock is dropping with every gm.
I don't think it's fair to put Tanneyhills development on JL's shoulders anymore.

We should seriously look at the prospects of trading him to either Chi or Philly & take what we can get for him
I'd gladly take a 2nd - High 3rd rnd pk today.

sug


I'd rather take my chances than take that. Remember if he walks and signs for another team for big money, then we get a conditional 3rd round pick the year after. I would take nothing less than a second AND a 3rd or a first from a contender. Maybe if Chicago would do their first for Long and the third we got from them?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bpastermack wrote:
SUG wrote:
phinmun wrote:
cddolphin wrote:
He may take a hometown discount. Other teams can see on film that he is playing injured and $40-50 million is nothing to scoff at.



And if after this whole season is over and done with and we're still talking about his not fitting this offense then it's safe to say a lot of the competition we anticipate being out there vying for Jake's services will have less interest, too.

Who doesn't run a ZBS now-a-days? Serious question, Who's going to look at Jake Long as a perfect fit if he doesn't fit here?

I said the Jets originally. Who else?


His stock is dropping with every gm.
I don't think it's fair to put Tanneyhills development on JL's shoulders anymore.

We should seriously look at the prospects of trading him to either Chi or Philly & take what we can get for him
I'd gladly take a 2nd - High 3rd rnd pk today.

sug


I'd rather take my chances than take that. Remember if he walks and signs for another team for big money, then we get a conditional 3rd round pick the year after. I would take nothing less than a second AND a 3rd or a first from a contender. Maybe if Chicago would do their first for Long and the third we got from them?


All due respect bmack ... a 2nd & a 3rd all sounds fine & dandy but you are high as a kite if you
think you are going to get "all that".

I don't know but my instincts tell me that you've set an unrealistic "basement" to simply
"scuttle" the notion of "engineering a viable trade" by asking for a 2nd & a 3rd rnd pk ....
You are a yr & a couple months too late for that kinda swagger my friend, that window came &
went last yr & Mia "missed the BUS" !!!
Rolling Eyes

We are now looking at a high 3rd rnd pk or a 2nd IF we are lucky.

That is the reality of the matter at hand.

Me personally ... I would not resign JL for more than 30 Mill & he must accept the inevitability that he
be moved around somewhere else in the Oline period & end of story.

sug
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SUG wrote:
bpastermack wrote:
SUG wrote:
phinmun wrote:
cddolphin wrote:
He may take a hometown discount. Other teams can see on film that he is playing injured and $40-50 million is nothing to scoff at.



And if after this whole season is over and done with and we're still talking about his not fitting this offense then it's safe to say a lot of the competition we anticipate being out there vying for Jake's services will have less interest, too.

Who doesn't run a ZBS now-a-days? Serious question, Who's going to look at Jake Long as a perfect fit if he doesn't fit here?

I said the Jets originally. Who else?


His stock is dropping with every gm.
I don't think it's fair to put Tanneyhills development on JL's shoulders anymore.

We should seriously look at the prospects of trading him to either Chi or Philly & take what we can get for him
I'd gladly take a 2nd - High 3rd rnd pk today.

sug


I'd rather take my chances than take that. Remember if he walks and signs for another team for big money, then we get a conditional 3rd round pick the year after. I would take nothing less than a second AND a 3rd or a first from a contender. Maybe if Chicago would do their first for Long and the third we got from them?


All due respect bmack ... a 2nd & a 3rd all sounds fine & dandy but you are high as a kite if you
think you are going to get "all that".

I don't know but my instincts tell me that you've set an unrealistic "basement" to simply
"scuttle" the notion of "engineering a viable trade" by asking for a 2nd & a 3rd rnd pk ....
You are a yr & a couple months too late for that kinda swagger my friend, that window came &
went last yr & Mia "missed the BUS" !!!
Rolling Eyes

We are now looking at a high 3rd rnd pk or a 2nd IF we are lucky.

That is the reality of the matter at hand.

Me personally ... I would not resign JL for more than 30 Mill & he must accept the inevitability that he
be moved around somewhere else in the Oline period & end of story.

sug


That's fine and dandy! We don't have to trade him. I'm just saying that if we do trade him, then I'm not doing it for a 2nd round pick from a contender. Cause that is a low second round pick. I'd rather let him play out the season with us, which gives Tannehill better protection for the rest of his season as he progresses. Then try to get him locked up long term for a home town discount. If he refuses and walks for big money somewhere else to a stupid team that thinks they are still getting a hall of fame caliber player, then that second round pick we could have gotten turns into a third round pick in the form of a comp pick. In my opinion, that's worth having him around the rest of this season, and the 50/50 chance we get to keep him around long term.

Plus, you never know. He could get better and better as this season progresses and he gets used to the new offense. All we need is an above average LT who is willing to be payed like an above average LT. That's not out of the realm of possibilities at this point. Which is why I would need more than a low second round pick.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bpastermack wrote:
SUG wrote:
bpastermack wrote:
SUG wrote:
phinmun wrote:
cddolphin wrote:
He may take a hometown discount. Other teams can see on film that he is playing injured and $40-50 million is nothing to scoff at.



And if after this whole season is over and done with and we're still talking about his not fitting this offense then it's safe to say a lot of the competition we anticipate being out there vying for Jake's services will have less interest, too.

Who doesn't run a ZBS now-a-days? Serious question, Who's going to look at Jake Long as a perfect fit if he doesn't fit here?

I said the Jets originally. Who else?


His stock is dropping with every gm.
I don't think it's fair to put Tanneyhills development on JL's shoulders anymore.

We should seriously look at the prospects of trading him to either Chi or Philly & take what we can get for him
I'd gladly take a 2nd - High 3rd rnd pk today.

sug


I'd rather take my chances than take that. Remember if he walks and signs for another team for big money, then we get a conditional 3rd round pick the year after. I would take nothing less than a second AND a 3rd or a first from a contender. Maybe if Chicago would do their first for Long and the third we got from them?


All due respect bmack ... a 2nd & a 3rd all sounds fine & dandy but you are high as a kite if you
think you are going to get "all that".

I don't know but my instincts tell me that you've set an unrealistic "basement" to simply
"scuttle" the notion of "engineering a viable trade" by asking for a 2nd & a 3rd rnd pk ....
You are a yr & a couple months too late for that kinda swagger my friend, that window came &
went last yr & Mia "missed the BUS" !!!
Rolling Eyes

We are now looking at a high 3rd rnd pk or a 2nd IF we are lucky.

That is the reality of the matter at hand.

Me personally ... I would not resign JL for more than 30 Mill & he must accept the inevitability that he
be moved around somewhere else in the Oline period & end of story.

sug


That's fine and dandy! We don't have to trade him. I'm just saying that if we do trade him, then I'm not doing it for a 2nd round pick from a contender. Cause that is a low second round pick. I'd rather let him play out the season with us, which gives Tannehill better protection for the rest of his season as he progresses. Then try to get him locked up long term for a home town discount. If he refuses and walks for big money somewhere else to a stupid team that thinks they are still getting a hall of fame caliber player, then that second round pick we could have gotten turns into a third round pick in the form of a comp pick. In my opinion, that's worth having him around the rest of this season, and the 50/50 chance we get to keep him around long term.

Plus, you never know. He could get better and better as this season progresses and he gets used to the new offense. All we need is an above average LT who is willing to be payed like an above average LT. That's not out of the realm of possibilities at this point. Which is why I would need more than a low second round pick.


I agree you make a good point about the Comp pk but no WAY IN HELL will I turn down a
2nd rnd pk from Chi - Philly or Oak. Matter of fact we had better be pursuing that option & I mean "yesterday"

But
1). I have no desire to "lock up" a career Pancake specialist in a power run system unless he is
useful somewhere else in the Oline.
That is yet to be determined & I feel strongly merits as a topic of conversation.

2). A bird in the hand is worth 2 ....
Unlike you, I am not optimistic he will turn into a nimble footed ZB LOT this season & I am concerned that
you have already identified him as an "avg LOT" whom is racking up injury's & that him playing outside of his skill
set is like playing Russian Roullette with a double barrel shotgun.
We are/have been paying him a boatload of $$$ & maximizing our return should be the #1 transaction priority in the entire franchise.

If you turn to me & say I want the 1st rnd pk for a LOT I would have no problem giving you the green light.

The money we would be saving alone would still be enough to acquire & sign a stud FA RG for 2 - 3 yrs + we gain a 2nd or 3rd rnd pk.

I hope to God the new regime in Mia learns to follow the examples set by New England in
maximizing vet player vs draft pk trade value.

sug
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