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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, for starters, I honestly (and objectively as I possibly can be under the circumstances) think that was a catch by Tate. I agree with the call on the field and I'm prepared to defend my stance. I know it's not the popular position, nor the one you guys want to hear in this thread, but it is my


I'm sure in your honest and objective opinion this was pass interference.



Nonsense! Don't you see Shields left arm just about to brush against the left side of Rice's jersey?! Offensive pass interference!

Something I have been thinking about today is the whole "don't let the refs decide the outcome" excuse. As if we are just supposed to be ok with incompetence and say thank you sir, may I have another? Anyway, the roughing the passer that wiped out the interception, the defense did take it out of the refs hands by getting the interception and the refs STILL screwed them over.
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Nonsense! Don't you see Shields left arm just about to brush against the left side of Rice's jersey?! Offensive pass interference!

Something I have been thinking about today is the whole "don't let the refs decide the outcome" excuse. As if we are just supposed to be ok with incompetence and say thank you sir, may I have another? Anyway, the roughing the passer that wiped out the interception, the defense did take it out of the refs hands by getting the interception and the refs STILL screwed them over.


He clearly wasn't looking at the ball.
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Wow. I knew that wasn't defensive pass interference but I didn't know it was THAT bad. What a joke. I'm just gonna chalk this last game up as one big fat joke.
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Seattle fan here. Hope this isn't too soon - I remember how I felt after SBXL, rightly or wrongly. Sucks we had to have a controversial win against you guys, the Packers are one of my favorite teams besides my Hawks.

I hate the fact that this officiating nonsense is overshadowing how well Seattle played Monday. The defense held up really well in particular.

The endzone play is obviously what stands out first and foremost. The play was a lot closer than a lot of people are admitting. Everybody has seen the picture of Tate basically hugging Jennings and assumed thats all there was to see.

Take a look at this if you don't believe me: http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?vcid=23823733&freewheel=91052&sitesection=kcpq

Heres a more complete breakdown as well : http://lifexinxrewind.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-the-seahawks-packers-finish-was-not-an-interception-and-why-it-would-have-been-called-the-same-by-any-referee-crew/

The Rice PI was the wrong call, I'll admit. The call was for a jersey grab that Shields had somewhat early in the route. I thought it should have been called a defensive hold rather than a PI.

To be honest, we got shafted on a fair few calls of our own. In particular, there was a bogus PI call on Chancellor on a critical third down during the GB touchdown drive. It looked like half of McCarthy's halftime adjustments were telling offensive linemen to grab whatever part of Irvin and Clemons they could get and it felt like they got away with it.

Anyhow, my point is only that this game wasn't exactly lopsided in GB's favor. It was a close contest marred by a lot of bad calls in both directions. Obviously that last call will be the one that gets all the media outcry and attention. I'm sure the Packers will bounce back and smoke the North despite this game. Hopefully the Hawks make it to the playoffs and we can play again with real refs this time.
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nishray wrote:
Seattle fan here. Hope this isn't too soon - I remember how I felt after SBXL, rightly or wrongly. Sucks we had to have a controversial win against you guys, the Packers are one of my favorite teams besides my Hawks.

I hate the fact that this officiating nonsense is overshadowing how well Seattle played Monday. The defense held up really well in particular.

The endzone play is obviously what stands out first and foremost. The play was a lot closer than a lot of people are admitting. Everybody has seen the picture of Tate basically hugging Jennings and assumed thats all there was to see.

Take a look at this if you don't believe me: http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?vcid=23823733&freewheel=91052&sitesection=kcpq

Heres a more complete breakdown as well : http://lifexinxrewind.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-the-seahawks-packers-finish-was-not-an-interception-and-why-it-would-have-been-called-the-same-by-any-referee-crew/

The Rice PI was the wrong call, I'll admit. The call was for a jersey grab that Shields had somewhat early in the route. I thought it should have been called a defensive hold rather than a PI.

To be honest, we got shafted on a fair few calls of our own. In particular, there was a bogus PI call on Chancellor on a critical third down during the GB touchdown drive. It looked like half of McCarthy's halftime adjustments were telling offensive linemen to grab whatever part of Irvin and Clemons they could get and it felt like they got away with it.

Anyhow, my point is only that this game wasn't exactly lopsided in GB's favor. It was a close contest marred by a lot of bad calls in both directions. Obviously that last call will be the one that gets all the media outcry and attention. I'm sure the Packers will bounce back and smoke the North despite this game. Hopefully the Hawks make it to the playoffs and we can play again with real refs this time.


The Hawks won't make it to the playoffs and it was lopsided in your favor. There is no way you can justify the pass interference it wasn't a hold either, it was offensive and there is no way around it. I love when fans try to act like they are being nice then post something absurd. The Seahawks got lucky they have the new Tim Tebow at QB and it won't last.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and what are that guy's credentials to have an expert opinion on that catch? Reading some of his other points I saw this on his blog.


A lot of girls I know would beat this.


So yeah I'm gonna trust his analysis of the play, not the 20 or so ex players, coaches, and refs that say it was clearly an INT. This guy is now my new NFL expert thank you for showing me his blog.
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Oh and I clicked on this guys twitter and his twitter info is this;

I play in the Seattle band Moneta and am a member of Xbox Community Support. The opinions expressed here are solely my own.

His background picture is the Seattle skyline.

So yeah, shut up.
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^^^^ i read the writeup, which is predicated almost entirely on the coincidental fact that tate is on the ground with two feet which he believe determines possession. This is incorrect and a misinterpretation of the rulebook.

What about the fact that when a receiver catches the ball, if he is going to the ground (which tate undoubtedly is) he must maintain possession all the way to the ground. Which he does not as he takes his hand off the ball.

The other view provided is nice but shows me the same thing. Tate didn't have two hands on the ball, and only did after jennings grabbed the ball.

The simultaneous catch rule does not refer to possession, it refers to control. Control which can be lost, but the simultaneous part does not apply if one person had control first. Which jennings did. Incontrovertibly.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nishray wrote:
Seattle fan here. Hope this isn't too soon - I remember how I felt after SBXL, rightly or wrongly. Sucks we had to have a controversial win against you guys, the Packers are one of my favorite teams besides my Hawks.

I hate the fact that this officiating nonsense is overshadowing how well Seattle played Monday. The defense held up really well in particular.

The endzone play is obviously what stands out first and foremost. The play was a lot closer than a lot of people are admitting. Everybody has seen the picture of Tate basically hugging Jennings and assumed thats all there was to see.

Take a look at this if you don't believe me: http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?vcid=23823733&freewheel=91052&sitesection=kcpq

Heres a more complete breakdown as well : http://lifexinxrewind.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-the-seahawks-packers-finish-was-not-an-interception-and-why-it-would-have-been-called-the-same-by-any-referee-crew/

The Rice PI was the wrong call, I'll admit. The call was for a jersey grab that Shields had somewhat early in the route. I thought it should have been called a defensive hold rather than a PI.

To be honest, we got shafted on a fair few calls of our own. In particular, there was a bogus PI call on Chancellor on a critical third down during the GB touchdown drive. It looked like half of McCarthy's halftime adjustments were telling offensive linemen to grab whatever part of Irvin and Clemons they could get and it felt like they got away with it.

Anyhow, my point is only that this game wasn't exactly lopsided in GB's favor. It was a close contest marred by a lot of bad calls in both directions. Obviously that last call will be the one that gets all the media outcry and attention. I'm sure the Packers will bounce back and smoke the North despite this game. Hopefully the Hawks make it to the playoffs and we can play again with real refs this time.


If you want to see why everybody is saying it isn't close watch sports science and you will see how "close" it was.
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Sandybaby716 wrote:
WIsportsfan wrote:
Nonsense! Don't you see Shields left arm just about to brush against the left side of Rice's jersey?! Offensive pass interference!

Something I have been thinking about today is the whole "don't let the refs decide the outcome" excuse. As if we are just supposed to be ok with incompetence and say thank you sir, may I have another? Anyway, the roughing the passer that wiped out the interception, the defense did take it out of the refs hands by getting the interception and the refs STILL screwed them over.


He clearly wasn't looking at the ball.



He was looking back . But you can't tell Rice's hands are draped all over his head
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SplashDive wrote:
nishray wrote:
Seattle fan here. Hope this isn't too soon - I remember how I felt after SBXL, rightly or wrongly. Sucks we had to have a controversial win against you guys, the Packers are one of my favorite teams besides my Hawks.

I hate the fact that this officiating nonsense is overshadowing how well Seattle played Monday. The defense held up really well in particular.

The endzone play is obviously what stands out first and foremost. The play was a lot closer than a lot of people are admitting. Everybody has seen the picture of Tate basically hugging Jennings and assumed thats all there was to see.

Take a look at this if you don't believe me: http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?vcid=23823733&freewheel=91052&sitesection=kcpq

Heres a more complete breakdown as well : http://lifexinxrewind.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-the-seahawks-packers-finish-was-not-an-interception-and-why-it-would-have-been-called-the-same-by-any-referee-crew/

The Rice PI was the wrong call, I'll admit. The call was for a jersey grab that Shields had somewhat early in the route. I thought it should have been called a defensive hold rather than a PI.

To be honest, we got shafted on a fair few calls of our own. In particular, there was a bogus PI call on Chancellor on a critical third down during the GB touchdown drive. It looked like half of McCarthy's halftime adjustments were telling offensive linemen to grab whatever part of Irvin and Clemons they could get and it felt like they got away with it.

Anyhow, my point is only that this game wasn't exactly lopsided in GB's favor. It was a close contest marred by a lot of bad calls in both directions. Obviously that last call will be the one that gets all the media outcry and attention. I'm sure the Packers will bounce back and smoke the North despite this game. Hopefully the Hawks make it to the playoffs and we can play again with real refs this time.


If you want to see why everybody is saying it isn't close watch sports science and you will see how "close" it was.


Yes you are correct that was an EXCELLENT way to show it
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nishray wrote:
Seattle fan here. Hope this isn't too soon - I remember how I felt after SBXL, rightly or wrongly. Sucks we had to have a controversial win against you guys, the Packers are one of my favorite teams besides my Hawks.

I hate the fact that this officiating nonsense is overshadowing how well Seattle played Monday. The defense held up really well in particular.

The endzone play is obviously what stands out first and foremost. The play was a lot closer than a lot of people are admitting. Everybody has seen the picture of Tate basically hugging Jennings and assumed thats all there was to see.

Take a look at this if you don't believe me: http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?vcid=23823733&freewheel=91052&sitesection=kcpq

Heres a more complete breakdown as well : http://lifexinxrewind.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-the-seahawks-packers-finish-was-not-an-interception-and-why-it-would-have-been-called-the-same-by-any-referee-crew/

The Rice PI was the wrong call, I'll admit. The call was for a jersey grab that Shields had somewhat early in the route. I thought it should have been called a defensive hold rather than a PI.

To be honest, we got shafted on a fair few calls of our own. In particular, there was a bogus PI call on Chancellor on a critical third down during the GB touchdown drive. It looked like half of McCarthy's halftime adjustments were telling offensive linemen to grab whatever part of Irvin and Clemons they could get and it felt like they got away with it.

Anyhow, my point is only that this game wasn't exactly lopsided in GB's favor. It was a close contest marred by a lot of bad calls in both directions. Obviously that last call will be the one that gets all the media outcry and attention. I'm sure the Packers will bounce back and smoke the North despite this game. Hopefully the Hawks make it to the playoffs and we can play again with real refs this time.



1 The Pi on shields was not for a For Pi but holding or it would of been a holding penalty instead. which we admit was a BAD call

2. The PI on Chancellor on Finley was closer than you are making out. Watch it in slow motion. Those are hard to judge in live motion. And the equaled out because earlier Finley dropped a ball when the defender was draped all over his arms. When the officials were calling it complete and then changed the call before Seattle was telling them to challenge. So 1 out of 2 is even.

3. The body slam on Jennings ?????? Tell me how a guy still stays in the game on that ?????????? And to stay on top of him and continue it ???

Another bad call

4. The INT that was taken Away. Walden personal foul. When he dives at the legs or Knees. The QB is running and is way out of the Pocket. And the most important Part he still has the ball in his hand. The knees and legs are protected on the QB but Only when they are in the Pocket

5. And the last call to end the game Someone has to explain to me. How a person can catch the ball at the peak over anyone else and hold both hand on the ball and arrive with it on his chest. And still considered both people have it. When rice only has 2 hands on it for a small period of time

( and every ref who is NOT EMPLOYED with the NFL now says its an interception And have way more experience then all the refs on the field totaled up )


and then to blow the PI on the last play to push Shields






So how does this even the Flags back and Forth ???????

When in the second half it was so lopsided


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nishray wrote:
Seattle fan here. Hope this isn't too soon - I remember how I felt after SBXL, rightly or wrongly. Sucks we had to have a controversial win against you guys, the Packers are one of my favorite teams besides my Hawks.

I hate the fact that this officiating nonsense is overshadowing how well Seattle played Monday. The defense held up really well in particular.

The endzone play is obviously what stands out first and foremost. The play was a lot closer than a lot of people are admitting. Everybody has seen the picture of Tate basically hugging Jennings and assumed thats all there was to see.

Take a look at this if you don't believe me: http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?vcid=23823733&freewheel=91052&sitesection=kcpq

Heres a more complete breakdown as well : http://lifexinxrewind.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-the-seahawks-packers-finish-was-not-an-interception-and-why-it-would-have-been-called-the-same-by-any-referee-crew/

The Rice PI was the wrong call, I'll admit. The call was for a jersey grab that Shields had somewhat early in the route. I thought it should have been called a defensive hold rather than a PI.

To be honest, we got shafted on a fair few calls of our own. In particular, there was a bogus PI call on Chancellor on a critical third down during the GB touchdown drive. It looked like half of McCarthy's halftime adjustments were telling offensive linemen to grab whatever part of Irvin and Clemons they could get and it felt like they got away with it.

Anyhow, my point is only that this game wasn't exactly lopsided in GB's favor. It was a close contest marred by a lot of bad calls in both directions. Obviously that last call will be the one that gets all the media outcry and attention. I'm sure the Packers will bounce back and smoke the North despite this game. Hopefully the Hawks make it to the playoffs and we can play again with real refs this time.


The Hawks won't make it to the playoffs and it was lopsided in your favor. There is no way you can justify the pass interference it wasn't a hold either, it was offensive and there is no way around it. I love when fans try to act like they are being nice then post something absurd. The Seahawks got lucky they have the new Tim Tebow at QB and it won't last.


Sure bud. Your board, whatever you want to believe. Just posting some links as to why Hawks fans believe that call was actually a quite difficult one.
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Don049293 wrote:
nishray wrote:
Seattle fan here. Hope this isn't too soon - I remember how I felt after SBXL, rightly or wrongly. Sucks we had to have a controversial win against you guys, the Packers are one of my favorite teams besides my Hawks.

I hate the fact that this officiating nonsense is overshadowing how well Seattle played Monday. The defense held up really well in particular.

The endzone play is obviously what stands out first and foremost. The play was a lot closer than a lot of people are admitting. Everybody has seen the picture of Tate basically hugging Jennings and assumed thats all there was to see.

Take a look at this if you don't believe me: http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?vcid=23823733&freewheel=91052&sitesection=kcpq

Heres a more complete breakdown as well : http://lifexinxrewind.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-the-seahawks-packers-finish-was-not-an-interception-and-why-it-would-have-been-called-the-same-by-any-referee-crew/

The Rice PI was the wrong call, I'll admit. The call was for a jersey grab that Shields had somewhat early in the route. I thought it should have been called a defensive hold rather than a PI.

To be honest, we got shafted on a fair few calls of our own. In particular, there was a bogus PI call on Chancellor on a critical third down during the GB touchdown drive. It looked like half of McCarthy's halftime adjustments were telling offensive linemen to grab whatever part of Irvin and Clemons they could get and it felt like they got away with it.

Anyhow, my point is only that this game wasn't exactly lopsided in GB's favor. It was a close contest marred by a lot of bad calls in both directions. Obviously that last call will be the one that gets all the media outcry and attention. I'm sure the Packers will bounce back and smoke the North despite this game. Hopefully the Hawks make it to the playoffs and we can play again with real refs this time.



1 The Pi on shields was not for a For Pi but holding or it would of been a holding penalty instead. which we admit was a BAD call

2. The PI on Chancellor on Finley was closer than you are making out. Watch it in slow motion. Those are hard to judge in live motion. And the equaled out because earlier Finley dropped a ball when the defender was draped all over his arms. When the officials were calling it complete and then changed the call before Seattle was telling them to challenge. So 1 out of 2 is even.

3. The body slam on Jennings ?????? Tell me how a guy still stays in the game on that ?????????? And to stay on top of him and continue it ???

Another bad call

4. The INT that was taken Away. Walden personal foul. When he dives at the legs or Knees. The QB is running and is way out of the Pocket. And the most important Part he still has the ball in his hand. The knees and legs are protected on the QB but Only when they are in the Pocket

5. And the last call to end the game Someone has to explain to me. How a person can catch the ball at the peak over anyone else and hold both hand on the ball and arrive with it on his chest. And still considered both people have it. When rice only has 2 hands on it for a small period of time

( and every ref who is NOT EMPLOYED with the NFL now says its an interception And have way more experience then all the refs on the field totaled up )


and then to blow the PI on the last play to push Shields

So how does this even the Flags back and Forth ???????

When in the second half it was so lopsided


1. I think we agree then? Not exactly sure what your disagreeing with me on.

2. Close, but still completely incorrect and very costly to the Seahawks. If we are arguing officiating mistakes, it has to be brought up.

3. The body slam was bogus. Terrible idea by Browner, let his aggression get the better of him. He apologized to Jennings I believe, claimed he thought Rodgers was out of the pocket or something. Still incredibly stupid and deserved 15 yards.

4. Rules are rules. I disagree with this particular PF, i think it should be GBs ball 15 yards back rather than SEAs ball 15 yards up. It was a shot at Wilson's legs though, IMO, and we got flagged for getting Rodgers in a very similar, ticky tacky manner.

5. http://seattle.sbnation.com/seattle-seahawks/2012/9/26/3414220/seahawks-nfl-packers-golden-tate that should address the PI. Nobody calls PI on hail marys. It simply is not done. I agree though, clear push off. And I already posted all the arguments I have on the catch itself: the problem is that if it is at all debatable, it has to be called a TD, not a pick. TBH, it was poor fundamentals by Jennings. Swat that ball, don't let it get tangled up because stuff like this happens. Pete Prisco actually just tweeted that he thinks it might have been a catch as well: for some of you that tout national names as having importance.
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^^^^ i read the writeup, which is predicated almost entirely on the coincidental fact that tate is on the ground with two feet which he believe determines possession. This is incorrect and a misinterpretation of the rulebook.

What about the fact that when a receiver catches the ball, if he is going to the ground (which tate undoubtedly is) he must maintain possession all the way to the ground. Which he does not as he takes his hand off the ball.

The other view provided is nice but shows me the same thing. Tate didn't have two hands on the ball, and only did after jennings grabbed the ball.

The simultaneous catch rule does not refer to possession, it refers to control. Control which can be lost, but the simultaneous part does not apply if one person had control first. Which jennings did. Incontrovertibly.


I disagree, it is not about control: the rule is named "the simultaneous catch", when I watch that first Q13 link in my post, it looks like its a catch being fought over between Tate and Jennings. It certainly looks closer to being caught by Jennings than Tate, but close enough to be simultaneous. Once again, its really close and really opinion based, I don't expect to change anybody's mind, only to reassure Packers fans that there is a reason why some Hawks fans believe that was a TD catch.
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