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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ether wrote:
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duke2056 wrote:

Also, your comparison to Tomlin and harbaugh is..............terrible. Do you seriously think if they switched places that Shurmur would do just as well as them???? If you do, then there is nothing to discuss, you are just wrong.


No, but I think that if you put Tomlin and Harbaugh in Cleveland with this roster and those circumstances, the outcomes aren't much different. Im not apologizing for Shurmur, he hasn't gotten the job done (see #1) but the comparisons are not invalid.

Mike Tomlin was an average defensive coordinator on a Minnesota team that went 6-10. Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator. If we had hired them, everyone would have screamed to the rafters about how bad the hires were.


Define significantly different


Both coaches went to teams with established Front Offices and many years of first round talents on their team. Also veteran teams that could handle young/inexperienced HCs with very experienced Coordinators (LeBeau in Pitt and Rex Ryan in Baltimore)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"if" Shurmur is fired who do all see as likely candidates.

College coaches I wouldn't mind. Top 3 in no certain order

Urban Myer of tOSU (offensive innovator and winner)

Mike Gundy OkSt (offensive innovator and winner) Weeden would love this

Lane Kiffen USC (Runs the WCO and has Monti Kiffen as a DC)

HC's from the Broadcast booth

John Gruden (runs the WCO and made Brad Johnson into a superbowl winning QB.)

LOL Bring Mangini back! J/K

Gruden is the ONLY one I could see coming back

Have to look later for Current coordinators
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
"if" Shurmur is fired who do all see as likely candidates.

College coaches I wouldn't mind. Top 3 in no certain order

Urban Myer of tOSU (offensive innovator and winner)

Mike Gundy OkSt (offensive innovator and winner) Weeden would love this

Lane Kiffen USC (Runs the WCO and has Monti Kiffen as a DC)

HC's from the Broadcast booth

John Gruden (runs the WCO and made Brad Johnson into a superbowl winning QB.)

LOL Bring Mangini back! J/K

Gruden is the ONLY one I could see coming back

Have to look later for Current coordinators


Honestly I think Gundy and Meyer would be bad hires
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gruden is the obvious first choice for many.

He is a proven winner who would instantly command respect from the players.

He also runs the WCO and has a history with some of the current staff IIRC.

He'd be the perfect fit IMO as he'd be an upgrade over Shurmur while allowing us to keep the same philosophy moving forward.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Honestly I think Gundy and Meyer would be bad hires


Kiffen would be ever worse. The guy has proven to be nothing to trust.

I dont get the Gruden love. He was a good coach, but he never developed a young QB, ever, and has been out of the league for for 4 years.
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Estonianzulu wrote:
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Honestly I think Gundy and Meyer would be bad hires


Kiffen would be ever worse. The guy has proven to be nothing to trust.

I dont get the Gruden love. He was a good coach, but he never developed a young QB, ever, and has been out of the league for for 4 years.


Chip Kelly actually intrigues me
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Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
Estonianzulu wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:

Honestly I think Gundy and Meyer would be bad hires


Kiffen would be ever worse. The guy has proven to be nothing to trust.

I dont get the Gruden love. He was a good coach, but he never developed a young QB, ever, and has been out of the league for for 4 years.


Chip Kelly actually intrigues me


His practice styles intrigues me. His offense doesn't.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
Estonianzulu wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:

Honestly I think Gundy and Meyer would be bad hires


Kiffen would be ever worse. The guy has proven to be nothing to trust.

I dont get the Gruden love. He was a good coach, but he never developed a young QB, ever, and has been out of the league for for 4 years.


Chip Kelly actually intrigues me


His practice styles intrigues me. His offense doesn't.


Imo Kelly is an offensive genius, and I feel he cold tailor a little bit of his spread to a more traditional NFL style as well
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PUT BRAD SMELLEY IN BECAUSE HE KNOWS HOW TO BLOCK FOR THE GUY BEHIND HIM, then maybe we will look better running the ball. More screen passes to TRich. Less plays on third down that don't go beyond the first-down yardage. More shotgun (because it's what Weeden is best at). LESS PENALTIES TO NEGATE OUR LONG GAINERS.

Call it coaching, play calling, whatever, but the system is obviously not working properly, and I for one am ready to be able to drink whiskey during the game on thursday (because our Backers Bar has no sunday liquor license, so we go for shots at halftime to another bar)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estonianzulu wrote:

I dont get the Gruden love. He was a good coach, but he never developed a young QB, ever, and has been out of the league for for 4 years.


He's a proven coach.

We need a guy like that right now IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
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I dont get the Gruden love. He was a good coach, but he never developed a young QB, ever, and has been out of the league for for 4 years.


He's a proven coach.

We need a guy like that right now IMO.


If Holmgren couldnt get Gruden out of retirement, what makes you think Haslam sans Holmgren could?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estonianzulu wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:

Honestly I think Gundy and Meyer would be bad hires


Kiffen would be ever worse. The guy has proven to be nothing to trust.

I dont get the Gruden love. He was a good coach, but he never developed a young QB, ever, and has been out of the league for for 4 years.


Fortunately for us, we aren't starting a young QB.
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LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
Estonianzulu wrote:

I dont get the Gruden love. He was a good coach, but he never developed a young QB, ever, and has been out of the league for for 4 years.


He's a proven coach.

We need a guy like that right now IMO.


Doesn't take proven coaches to lead a team. Neither Harbaugh was proven, and they've done OK. Same with Omar Epps in Yinzerville. And on and on.

I would be suprised if Haslam hires a retread.

My guess is either Rob Chudzinski or Jay Gruden.

Both names were being buzzed about during Jacksonville's coaching search, and I'll be puzzled if they're not considered.

I really want Chud. I know it's a philosophy change, but it seems like we have the pieces to replicate that 2007 season's offensive explosion.
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I hate this thread. Just wanted everyone to know Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditchdigger wrote:
LETSGOBROWNIES wrote:
Estonianzulu wrote:

I dont get the Gruden love. He was a good coach, but he never developed a young QB, ever, and has been out of the league for for 4 years.


He's a proven coach.

We need a guy like that right now IMO.


Doesn't take proven coaches to lead a team. Neither Harbaugh was proven, and they've done OK. Same with Omar Epps in Yinzerville. And on and on.

I would be suprised if Haslam hires a retread.

My guess is either Rob Chudzinski or Jay Gruden.

Both names were being buzzed about during Jacksonville's coaching search, and I'll be puzzled if they're not considered.

I really want Chud. I know it's a philosophy change, but it seems like we have the pieces to replicate that 2007 season's offensive explosion.


Never said it did.

Purely speculative, but a guy who is petitioning the city of Cleveland for a dome before he legally owns the Browns seems like the type of a guy who is going to want to make a 'splash' with a head coach.

Nothing wrong with either candidate you mentioned, but having a guy who's 'been there, done that' with a bunch of young players couldn't hurt IMO.
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