Discuss football with over 60,000 fans. Free Membership. Join now!

 FAQFAQ  RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

FootballsFuture.com Forum Index
FootballsFuture.com Home

Terrell Suggs Watch
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> Baltimore Ravens
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
StRawz11


Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Posts: 3727
Location: Not in Pittsburgh
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just me or does Suggs look big in a bad way?
_________________


"I'm dismantling who I was and moving it brick by brick."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
diamondbull424


Moderator
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Posts: 12988
Location: Baltimore, MD
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StRawz11 wrote:
Is it just me or does Suggs look big in a bad way?

Not sure what picture you're referring to, but Suggs on tv looked about the same size as I'm used to seeing him. He's 6'3" and like 270 lbs... that's not going to look small by any means. It's just playing without the uniform likely shows just how much of his size is him vs what's the uniform.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
StRawz11


Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Posts: 3727
Location: Not in Pittsburgh
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diamondbull424 wrote:
StRawz11 wrote:
Is it just me or does Suggs look big in a bad way?

Not sure what picture you're referring to, but Suggs on tv looked about the same size as I'm used to seeing him. He's 6'3" and like 270 lbs... that's not going to look small by any means. It's just playing without the uniform likely shows just how much of his size is him vs what's the uniform.


I was referring to the video out today of him returning to practice
_________________


"I'm dismantling who I was and moving it brick by brick."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
drd23


Moderator
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Posts: 5133
Location: Melbourne, Australia
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StRawz11 wrote:
diamondbull424 wrote:
StRawz11 wrote:
Is it just me or does Suggs look big in a bad way?

Not sure what picture you're referring to, but Suggs on tv looked about the same size as I'm used to seeing him. He's 6'3" and like 270 lbs... that's not going to look small by any means. It's just playing without the uniform likely shows just how much of his size is him vs what's the uniform.


I was referring to the video out today of him returning to practice

Yeah it does look that way a little bit unfortunately, but its not that unexpected imo
_________________

Stone85 & mike23md on the sig!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
diamondbull424


Moderator
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Posts: 12988
Location: Baltimore, MD
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StRawz11 wrote:
diamondbull424 wrote:
StRawz11 wrote:
Is it just me or does Suggs look big in a bad way?

Not sure what picture you're referring to, but Suggs on tv looked about the same size as I'm used to seeing him. He's 6'3" and like 270 lbs... that's not going to look small by any means. It's just playing without the uniform likely shows just how much of his size is him vs what's the uniform.


I was referring to the video out today of him returning to practice

Ahh.. I wasn't aware of that. It wasn't up there this morning when I checked. But yeah, he does look more "fat" big now as opposed to "muscular" big.

He looked like he had some fat around his midsection that's not ideal... and his backside didn't look as firm as you'd want it... which makes sense when you think about the fact that not only could he not run to keep himself in shape (because of the Achilles) but he also would've been unable to do squats to keep his leg and backside firm and muscular.

That said, the area being fat is probably a good thing. The muscle he had likely turned to fat and now it's just a matter of converting it back... whereas had he gotten skinny, not only would he have been less explosive, he'd have been less stout as well. Suggs probably won't be able to return as a pass rusher this season, that'll likely have to wait until next season, but he can return- and with his lower body strength and experience- give a boost to our run defense at the POA. Kruger's inability to hold up at the POA in conjunction with McPhee being much better in the 43 role DE we had him playing in last season... has helped to turn this run defense to crap.

If Pees were smart, we'd see him experimenting with the defensive front the Seahawks tend to use. Three big down lineman: Ngata, Cody, Kemo... with another quicker/faster DL playing DE. The down lineman in this role would have less responsibilities than a stand up edge threat in the 34 and wouldn't have to be as firm at the POA, so Kindle while not showing the development you look for as a LBer might be better served if we just tell him to put his hand into the ground and get after the QB. I think he could succeed given that role. We'd sit him on the line at LE- thus dealing with generally the less athletic OT and he'd have his right ear for hearing.

I'd then look to start Upshaw at SLB and Kruger at WLB with Ellerbe/McClain lined up in the middle. McClellan could then be our utility player and sub in at each of the LBers spots. McPhee could sub in for Kindle if we want to put more beef on the LOS in obvious rushing situations.

I know Bernard Pollard said, "it's not the coaching"... but looking at the film from last year... you can just tell by the variety of formations we're running that we're doing more to counter a strong rushing attack (the 49ers film) as opposed to just putting our players out there and expecting them to a) win their matchups all the time and b) without being sure to put them in a position to win their matchups. Pees scheme just seems incapable of stopping the run without committing more men to the box unless the players themselves are consistently winning 1on1 matchups, whereas Pagano made sure to move guys around based on offensive alignments and shifts. Really... it's like night and day when simply watching the presnap formations and adjustments. Part of this could be because of having more experienced players in our system that can handle all the responsibilities, but I still have to doubt Pees competence in that area until proven otherwise.

But anyway, rant aside. Suggs returning should present one more body that should be able to beat his man 1on1 against the run game to help make Pees system look more competent than what it really is... a system overly reliant on the players and not reliant enough on the coaching prowess.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
SnA ExclusiVe


Joined: 01 Jun 2011
Posts: 28007
Location: Spokane, WA
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The attention to detail you put into looking at Suggs' butt is kind of disturbing lol.

Anywho, I agree about the way Pagano used formations and stuff to get a good run D set up, and Pees definitely doesn't do that as much. However, there's not much more we could have done Sunday beacuse we did have 8 guys in the box consistently, Dallas was just single-blocking everyone and dominating us and we were missing tackles as well.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
diamondbull424


Moderator
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Posts: 12988
Location: Baltimore, MD
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
The attention to detail you put into looking at Suggs' butt is kind of disturbing lol.

Anywho, I agree about the way Pagano used formations and stuff to get a good run D set up, and Pees definitely doesn't do that as much. However, there's not much more we could have done Sunday beacuse we did have 8 guys in the box consistently, Dallas was just single-blocking everyone and dominating us and we were missing tackles as well.

Why does that disturb you? Twisted Evil ... Laughing ...

But yeah, I try to be meticulous... and the fact that I used to train some of my chic friends to achieve a more firm build, helped me to notice the difference between good bubble and bad bubble. And I had a chance to notice the difference a lot via the training methods I would implore.

#nicesaveFTW Cool
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jpeter15


Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Posts: 176
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well whether he is out of shape or not, Suggs is apparently planning on playing Sunday.

Pretty surprising move if it happens but my guess is even if it does happen it will be very very limited.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8518672/terrell-suggs-baltimore-ravens-lb-expects-play-vs-houston-texans-source-says
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
diamondbull424


Moderator
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Posts: 12988
Location: Baltimore, MD
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpeter15 wrote:
Well whether he is out of shape or not, Suggs is apparently planning on playing Sunday.

Pretty surprising move if it happens but my guess is even if it does happen it will be very very limited.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8518672/terrell-suggs-baltimore-ravens-lb-expects-play-vs-houston-texans-source-says

Interesting. I thought for sure that Harbaugh would hold him out at least until after the bye week. Not sure this is a good idea. But if we're going to do it, then I think we should follow a snap count- treat it similar to preseason. Give him about 8-10 snaps or so (1-2 drives worth). Then the next game give him about 15-20 snaps: that should cover about 4 drives or so. Then wait until the game after allow him to play the full game.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bmore4life815


Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 3429
Location: Climbing up M&T
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting... I expected a week 9 debut, but let's see how this works out. If anything, the mere presence of Sizzle on the field should help boost the confidence of our young guys. He has that kind of impact.
_________________

Bernard "Crush Boy" Pollard- Forever a Raven

El Ramster on the sig that isn't going anywhere
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
HokieRaven5


Joined: 29 Sep 2009
Posts: 1652
Location: The Land of Pleasant Living
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smells way too much like sizzle trying to trick Schefter after how the injury discussion went.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mancunian Raven


Joined: 09 Oct 2012
Posts: 2293
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't buy it. If they're teasing Suggs playing, I'm going to guess that it's just to force the Texans to at least consider having to plan for him.

Don't show your hand until you have to. I would expect him to be inactive on Sunday, unless he shows a staggeringly quick return to form in practice over the next day or two.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
steadypimpin


Joined: 01 Jan 2009
Posts: 9826
Location: Rockville, Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard on the radio this morning that Suggs might play this weekend? Any truth to this? I wouldn't want him coming in just yet. They said they have 3 weeks to activate him now that he's off the PUP list.
_________________

Thanks to IDOG_det on the sig!
2011 & 2012 NFC West Champs!!!
Xbox: Steadypimpin49
"Keep choppin' wood"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DontTazeMeBro


Joined: 19 Jan 2008
Posts: 26501
Location: 321
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You trick the media. Exaggerate, embellish to them. Mix words. You don't out-and-out lie to the media. If they are saying it definitively I believe it.

I'm just going to trust that Harbaugh would't let him back on the field if he wasn't recovered and would possibly compromise his recovery. Because he is who I am going to blame if it goes wrong.

What I'm thinking is that we see him on a few 3rd downs Sunday. Probably more after the bye.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
coordinator0


Joined: 18 Jan 2008
Posts: 7640
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think there's any chance Suggs plays against the Texans. Just now he started practicing on a very limited basis for the first time since late April, no preseason or training camp, and there is no way he's in football shape. My guess is that we see him for the first time in the Raiders game.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   

Post new topic   Reply to topic    FootballsFuture.com Forum Index -> Baltimore Ravens All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Page 2 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group