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vikingsrule
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Lets keep this thread directly related to the game and not let it turn into another Ponder debate. We have another thread for that. If you want to discuss Ponder's performance directly related to the Lions game, go for it.
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TearsOfPurple
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Also happy birthday to Marcus Sherels! What a day to return a punt for a TD 
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| TearsOfPurple wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | Suh continues to unimpress me. |
And where's everyone would said we should of gotten Fairley instead of Ponder? Never understood that argument... |
I confess I was one of those people; glad to admit I was wrong.
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PrplChilPill
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure how the oc is good, when thy score zero offensive touchdowns, but I loved that late fade call.
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| PrplChilPill wrote: | | Not sure how the oc is good, when thy score zero offensive touchdowns, but I loved that late fade call. |
There is more work to be done on offense, clearly. I expect to see a few more games like this one with the offense struggling. Its very common with young teams and QBs. The thing about games like today is that its essential to have strong defense, a strong run game, avoid turnovers and catch a break or two. MN did those things. |
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PrplChilPill
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Agreed, I was responding to an earlier post. It is also why I want more defense drafted.
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SteelKing728
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | But its not like Ponder is so bad he can't go deep. He showed we can rely on him when needed so far.
Either way, we need to get Percy involved more in the offense in different ways. |
I can't agree with the first statement. It's not that he's "so bad" he can't make the deeper passes work; it's that there is so little evidence of him even throwing deep downfield that we have next to no idea how successful he can be doing it consistently. I actually have no clue what you're referencing when you say he's already shown he can do this. |
i didn't direct that towards any single person, allthough there does seem to be some fans that believe we dumb down our offense for Ponder, rather than him just constantly checking down. Basically, that tells me that those people think Ponder can't play in the NFL with a full playbook, which just isn't true.
But either way, we need to work Harvin down the field, and not all these 2 yard passes.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | PurpleMugen wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | I am surprised the Vikes tried very few short passes to Harvin. |
It's not that surprising, actually. Ponder tried one in the first quarter I believe and it nearly went for 6 the other way. Teams are going to catch on to that strategy very quickly now. We'll have to start peppering that play in infrequently now and focus on finding other ways to keep feeding Harvin. |
Very good point. It will really be up to Simpson to stretch the field to keep those short passes open for Harvin. |
The guy we didn't get involved enough today is Rudolph.
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The offensive troubles were probably my bad, I decided to start ponder and rudolph today over Eli and Davis...the football gods had to get me back lol
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Rudolph and Harvin both need to get more looks down the seam, post and down the middle of the field. We dont see enough of those shots. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Solid performance by defense and superb job by special teams. It's not pretty on offense but accepted this is the way they will need to play this season. I expect and hope as they jell together they will eventually grow and evolve into a team that will take chances deep.
Watching the Bus vs Skins game I did see attacking instead of prevent can kill you as well. RG3 kill the bucs who was blitzing. There pros and cons to both end of game strategy prevent vs attacking
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Robb_K
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Using Adrian on the short pass worked decently, today. It will work better once he's back to 100%, and trusts push-offs off his "bad" leg.
Using Simpson on those 3 long pass routes helped open up the game underneath. We need more of that, and more middle and longer middle routes to Rudolph and Harvin.
The offensive line had some trouble (especially in pass protection), but isn't that mostly because Detroit's defensive front line is above average in rushing skill, speed and quickness?
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| Robb_K wrote: | Using Adrian on the short pass worked decently, today. It will work better once he's back to 100%, and trusts push-offs off his "bad" leg.
Using Simpson on those 3 long pass routes helped open up the game underneath. We need more of that, and more middle and longer middle routes to Rudolph and Harvin.
The offensive line had some trouble (especially in pass protection), but isn't that mostly because Detroit's defensive front line is above average in rushing skill, speed and quickness? |
Completely agree. They don't throw across the middle enough! Watched Brees play today and it always seems like the majority of his passes are across the middle, and it works extremely well. (Not comparing the 2, comparing the play calling)
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't recall hearing Suh's or Fairley's name at all today. Did they even play? Have they disappeared this season or did our line play that well against them? |
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disaacs
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Cantwin1 wrote: | | I don't recall hearing Suh's or Fairley's name at all today. Did they even play? Have they disappeared this season or did our line play that well against them? |
I listened to it on XM (the Lions' home radio broadcast)...I recall Fairley's name getting called...after getting burned trying to arm tackle AD.
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