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vikingsrule
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| The Gnat wrote: | | I do think we'll beat on NFC North Team, 1 time, but I think it will be the Lions at home later in the season. Still, depending on Stafford's availability it could really change the game. |
The Bears have not looked good this year and the Lions have struggled, honestly I think the Vikes are playing better than both teams at the moment. Going forward, I see no reason why MN shouldnt be able to compete and possibly win any one of those 4 divisional games. Playing in Chicago still worries me, playing in Detroit doesnt. |
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Lionsfanforever
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Hey guys congrats on beating SF. Are forum is pretty done right now, but we will get over it. Are pass defense is really bad mainly at the safety without Delmas. I haven't seen any Vikings games, so I don't know what your guys strength and weaknesses are. I still think the Lions win 21-17. Good luck guys.
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| Lionsfanforever wrote: | | Hey guys congrats on beating SF. Are forum is pretty done right now, but we will get over it. Are pass defense is really bad mainly at the safety without Delmas. I haven't seen any Vikings games, so I don't know what your guys strength and weaknesses are. I still think the Lions win 21-17. Good luck guys. |
Harvin will be featured underneath often, so the Lions better be prepared to take good angles and make clean tackles. Otherwise, Harvin can take a short 1 yard pass and get yardage in a hurry. Harvin is averaging 9 catches per game this year.
Kyle Rudolph seems to be Ponder's security blanket in the redzone. Rudolph has 3 TDs this year. The Vikes will be getting back its starting WR, Jerome Simpson, who showed a lot of big play potential in the preseason. MN has a lot of weapons for Ponder, who is playing sharp. Given the Lions struggles in the secondary, I think Ponder could be due for a big game statistically. MN has generally played things conservatively since they havent had that downfield threat. I expect Simpson's presence to change that.
The running game for MN hasnt been very explosive, but its been effective. Peterson just hasnt busted many long runs that we are used to from him. Nevertheless, the Vikes still will pound the ball even if Peterson is only going for 3.5 yds a carry. It creates manageable third downs, keeps the defense honest and creates play actions opportunities, which Ponder thrives off of.
Defensively, MN is much improved versus last year, though not much credit will be given since MN has faced two young QBs and Alex Smith. Chris Cook and Josh Robinson both look like a strong pair of CBs. Antoine Winfield has struggled a bit in coverage downfield. MNs defense just hasnt given up many big plays downfield but they are gains to be had underneath if the Lions attack the Vikes LBs. The Vikes are vulnerable in coverage underneath. Of course having Calvin Johnson changes that dynamic, i expect CJ to haul in 1-2 long balls, the guy is truly special.
The Vikings pass rush has generally been adequate, still, the interior pass rush has struggled to get pressure consistently. The Vikes run defense has been a strength this year, limiting Frank Gore and MJD and completely shutting down the Colts run game.
The Vikes have had a somewhat disappointing year from its specialists. Blair Walsh has been brilliant, in kickoffs and FGs. However, kick coverage nearly cost the Vikes the game against SF. further Chris Kluwe has been mostly bad this year, just isnt punting the ball like we are used too. Lastly, the Vikes return game hasnt produced much. Harvin is always a threat but if Sherels is back there (he also returns Punts), dont expect much.
The Vikings have momentum right now and I see this as a favorable game for MN given what both teams have showed so far this year. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Here's my prediction...if Shaun Hill plays, the Vikings lose. If Stafford plays the entire game, the Vikings win.
You may call it illogical, but since the Vikings let Hill walk, he's had some very good games against them (although not many of them have ended up in Ws for Hill's team)
2010: 29-43, 237 yds, 1 TD, 2 INTs (Vikings W 24-10) and 28-39, 258 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT (Lions win 20-13)
2009: 15-25, 195 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT (Vikings win 27-24...on the Greg Lewis catch)
2007: 22-27, 181 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT (Vikings win 27-7)
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: |
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This is a gut-check game for the Lions. It will be interesting to see how they respond after throwing away the game against the Titans.
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Keys to the Game:
Vikings
Force Turnovers - get another INT and a fumble recovery they should win.
Pass Rush - They have to get to whoever is the QB before they can get the ball out to Calvin Johnson deep.
Shut Down Calvin Johnson - Obviously the biggest weapon on the team, there are other players to worry about, but shutting down Calvin Johnson takes away a good part of the Lions offense.
Lions
Handle Jared Allen - Don't let him get going after he got his first sack last week.
Stop the running game - Force Ponder to pass, their DB's might not be great, but their pass rush isn't bad, so force him to pass and force him to pass downfield by stopping the running game.
Get Running game going - Harrison Smith and Raymond were playing in the box last week against the 49er's because there was no deep threat, Lions have a better deep threat, so they will be playing further back, or at least Smith will and Sanford, open up the running game and make the Vikings respect it then go over the top.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think the key to this game is very simple. If MN can win the battle at the line on both sides it will lead to victory. If the OL can get the running game going and protect Ponder the offense will succeed. If the DL can get pressure on the QB, the defense will succeed. Very simple.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Game Plan to Victory is = We run, we stop their run.
Everything else will build from that (Harvin/Kyle/QB Pressure).
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I'm not too excited about this game, even after the big win against San Fransisco. I'm just not confident with this team on the road yet. They seem to be very different at home. This one certainly seems more winnable than it seemed a month ago though.
Hopefully we see some of that Ponder/Simpson chemistry we heard so much about in preseason.
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I want to see Chris Cook and Harrison Smith bracketing Calvin Johnson on every play.
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| I think I will be upset if the Vikes ever put 5-8 Antoine Winfield on Calvin Johnson, that would be foolish. Even Josh Robinson gives up a significant amount of height, though Robinson has the speed to keep pace with Johnson down field. |
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Judd Zulgad @1500ESPNJudd
Les Frazier said Raymond has significant ankle injury but there is no fracture. He will miss time but not headed to IR.
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
#Vikings got good news on Mistral Raymond. No fracture, no high ankle sprain, no surgery. But he will miss time. Has bone bruise.
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| Must have been a pretty bad bone bruise, looked like he tore or broke something. I was certain of that. Good news for Raymond and the Vikes secondary, especially if they can get Raymond playing at full health in time for the rough stretch to close the year. Lots of high flying offenses on the schedule later in the yr. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Vikes are going to be overconfident headed into what could have been a close game. Forum will continue to scratch heads.
Lions win. |
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disaacs
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | I think I will be upset if the Vikes ever put 5-8 Antoine Winfield on Calvin Johnson, that would be foolish. Even Josh Robinson gives up a significant amount of height, though Robinson has the speed to keep pace with Johnson down field. |
Cook had Calvin by himself a few times last season, and I think did well for the most part. Calvin still got his catches, but was held in check, except for 2 plays (1 of which Griffin was on him)
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