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mco65


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desperado82 wrote:
Figured this could go in here instead of a new thread

http://sportdfw.com/2012/10/04/dallas-cowboys-jason-garrett-needs-his-walking-papers-2/2/

Take it for what it's worth.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Who is Jason Garrett, sure he played for Jimmy Johnson, but he grew up in a
house where his dad worked for Tom Landry. He had a real chance to know both of
these men, and not just as coachs.

Even Jerry Jones has refered to
Landry when talking about Jason as a coach. One of the problems that is seldon
discussed is how fast Coaches have been hired and fired by Jerry
Jones.

Jones himself said last year a big mistake he has made in the
past was letting coaches go to early and not sticking with them. I remember when
it really was a done deal Wade would be fired. Then people starting throwing
names out the like Shanahan, and Cowher. My God, how many years did those guys
coach before they won a Superbowl?

What i'm getting at here is, the
players have to have faith that a coach is going to be there. If the attitude is
win or get fired all the time, then everybody is just playing for a contract.
But theres more to all this, when guys know that the guy they have played for is
in jeopardy of losing his job. Well if they respect him and love him they will
not just play for themselves, they'll play to save him also. Just like their
teammates, there is more to football than "I'm playing for me, like T.O.".


Jason brings to his postion, the attitude of Tom Landry, and the
attitude of Jimmy Johnson. Jason calls it the RKG, if you embarrass the team by
doing stupid stuff all the time you have to go. If you can't play at a high
level everyweek you will be replaced. In other words you have to be the Right
Kind of Guy, or you won't be here long.

I think Jason has this team
headed in the right direction, more so than anytime since Barry Switzer left. It
may take him 5 years to make these guys his guys, but if JJ hangs onto
Jason there will be rewards at the end. I think Garrett will eventually be
known as a great coach, but only time will
tell.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawksrealm wrote:
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Who is Jason Garrett, sure he played for Jimmy Johnson, but he grew up in a
house where his dad worked for Tom Landry. He had a real chance to know both of
these men, and not just as coachs.

Even Jerry Jones has refered to
Landry when talking about Jason as a coach. One of the problems that is seldon
discussed is how fast Coaches have been hired and fired by Jerry
Jones.

Jones himself said last year a big mistake he has made in the
past was letting coaches go to early and not sticking with them. I remember when
it really was a done deal Wade would be fired. Then people starting throwing
names out the like Shanahan, and Cowher. My God, how many years did those guys
coach before they won a Superbowl?

What i'm getting at here is, the
players have to have faith that a coach is going to be there. If the attitude is
win or get fired all the time, then everybody is just playing for a contract.
But theres more to all this, when guys know that the guy they have played for is
in jeopardy of losing his job. Well if they respect him and love him they will
not just play for themselves, they'll play to save him also. Just like their
teammates, there is more to football than "I'm playing for me, like T.O.".


Jason brings to his postion, the attitude of Tom Landry, and the
attitude of Jimmy Johnson. Jason calls it the RKG, if you embarrass the team by
doing stupid stuff all the time you have to go. If you can't play at a high
level everyweek you will be replaced. In other words you have to be the Right
Kind of Guy, or you won't be here long.


I think Jason has this team
headed in the right direction, more so than anytime since Barry Switzer left. It
may take him 5 years to make these guys his guys, but if JJ hangs onto
Jason there will be rewards at the end. I think Garrett will eventually be
known as a great coach, but only time will
tell.


Either Jerry is preventing him from implementing that philosophy, or Jason has forgot it. Because, if he did practice it, Dez, Spencer, and Felix would not be on this team. You know Jimmy would have traded them.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If Garrett would be willing to bring in an OC, allowing him to concentrate on just being the HC, then I think he'd have the potential to be great. He is detail oriented and commands respect from the players.


Commands respect from players??? Really? I'd love to hear this one.


What, you think the players do not respect Jason Garrett as the Head Coach? What could possibly make you think that? Provide me 1 link to an article that even suggests that he has lost the respect of his players.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

htfryar wrote:
The_Slamman wrote:
htfryar wrote:
If Garrett would be willing to bring in an OC, allowing him to concentrate on just being the HC, then I think he'd have the potential to be great. He is detail oriented and commands respect from the players.


Commands respect from players??? Really? I'd love to hear this one.


What, you think the players do not respect Jason Garrett as the Head Coach? What could possibly make you think that? Provide me 1 link to an article that even suggests that he has lost the respect of his players.


Here, I got one for you.

Witten says Garrett mediocre, has no respect for him

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matts4313 wrote:
htfryar wrote:
The_Slamman wrote:
htfryar wrote:
If Garrett would be willing to bring in an OC, allowing him to concentrate on just being the HC, then I think he'd have the potential to be great. He is detail oriented and commands respect from the players.


Commands respect from players??? Really? I'd love to hear this one.


What, you think the players do not respect Jason Garrett as the Head Coach? What could possibly make you think that? Provide me 1 link to an article that even suggests that he has lost the respect of his players.


Here, I got one for you.

Witten says Garrett mediocre, has no respect for him

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Thanks Matts. From Jason Witten in the article Matts posted...

Quote:
ďThe wins havenít shown it but Jason is a great coach. I canít speak more highly about any coach Iíve had. He does a tremendous job of laying it out there and giving you the game plan to go succeed with the adjustments and all that goes in. Heís doing a phenomenal job. We just got to play better.Ē


Yeah, really sounds like the players don't respect him. Oh wait, Slam, I guess Witten is just pretending to be a good soldier and toeing the company line. He probably can't stand Garrett, has no respect for him and wants him fired, right? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Wade is going to keep fighting," Brooking said. "We're not going to lose him. I have so much respect for Wade, the man, [and] that he is the coach, the success that he's had in this league.


http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5779968

So, let me guess... Wade Phillips also commanded the respect of his football players, right?

Look, when a microphone is put in front of a players face and they are asked questions about the head coach or the organization... 99% of them are going to say the right thing. Keith Brooking said the right thing all the way up until the day Wade got fired. What do you really expect Witten to say?

Now, if Jason Garrett truly "commanded" the respect of the players... the debacle of 2008 would not have happened. Yet, it did happen and it happened with the offensive players on his watch. There's a big difference between a person or coach whom players may respect and "commanding respect." For example, Mike Tomlin commands respect. Tom Caughlin commands respect. It's a personality thing. That's not Jason Garrett. He doesn't command respect like those guys. I have no doubt that plenty of players "like" or even respect Jason Garrett. But, if Garrett truly commanded respect and got it from the players... we wouldn't constantly see the never ending hurricane of mistakes. I don't think anybody would argue that the 2003 Dallas Cowboys were more talented than the 2011 and 2012 Cowboys. Yet, Parcells was able to take a team with the Q and Troy Hambrick to the playoffs. Garrett has not been able to make his more talented teams put forth the kind of effort of BP's less talented team.

Talk is cheap. The players simply too undisciplined and mistake-prone... you simply don't see the same mistakes being made over and over and over with team's whose head coaches truly command repect.
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JG needs to bench Mackenzie B. He needs to bring in Holland as a stop gap until then. This guy has gotten Romo killed and will continue to be the weakest link in this OLINE.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooking did/does respect the hell out of Phillips.. he followed him to 3 teams. Its also undeniable that Phillips is a defensive genius. How does that prove anything?
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Matts4313 wrote:
Brooking did/does respect the hell out of Phillips.. he followed him to 3 teams. Its also undeniable that Phillips is a defensive genius. How does that prove anything?


Slam's point is that there will always be individuals that respect a coach, especially a player that has had a long relationship with a coach. Brooking had that with Phillips and Witten has that with Garrett.

However, one player's remarks doesn't mean the entire team respects Garrett. It would also be interesting to hear what the Boys' defensive players have to say about Garrett. Often times we hear the defensive players talk about Ryan's schemes and swagger, and how his personality rubs off on them.

I also wonder if this is an issue, where JG is focusing most of his energies on the offensive side and not interacting enough with the defensive players. This might explain the split personality and lack of identity on the team. The defence is a physical, aggressive bunch while the offence is passive and soft.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Matts4313 wrote:
Brooking did/does respect the hell out of Phillips.. he followed him to 3 teams. Its also undeniable that Phillips is a defensive genius. How does that prove anything?


Slam's point is that there will always be individuals that respect a coach, especially a player that has had a long relationship with a coach. Brooking had that with Phillips and Witten has that with Garrett.

However, one player's remarks doesn't mean the entire team respects Garrett. It would also be interesting to hear what the Boys' defensive players have to say about Garrett. Often times we hear the defensive players talk about Ryan's schemes and swagger, and how his personality rubs off on them.


Well, Witten didn't exactly give Wade the vote of confidence he has for Redball.

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2010/11/19/jason-witten-says-the-players-didn%E2%80%99t-quit-on-wade-phillips/

He in no way is bashing Wade - but it's not nearly as strong of an endorsement.
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I also wonder if this is an issue, where JG is focusing most of his energies on the offensive side and not interacting enough with the defensive players. This might explain the split personality and lack of identity on the team. The defence is a physical, aggressive bunch while the offence is passive and soft.


Which is where having an actual offensive coordinator would likely benefit Garrett and the team as a whole. I don't know of many successful coaches who held the title of HC and OC/DC.
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Desperado82 wrote:
TheStarStillShines wrote:
I also wonder if this is an issue, where JG is focusing most of his energies on the offensive side and not interacting enough with the defensive players. This might explain the split personality and lack of identity on the team. The defence is a physical, aggressive bunch while the offence is passive and soft.


Which is where having an actual offensive coordinator would likely benefit Garrett and the team as a whole. I don't know of many successful coaches who held the title of HC and OC/DC.


The Hoodie and McCarthy come to mind, as does Peyton. And Rex Ryan.

But they also come to mind because of the success.

EDIT: OH. And Wade did it too.
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Matts4313 wrote:
Brooking did/does respect the hell out of Phillips.. he followed him to 3 teams. Its also undeniable that Phillips is a defensive genius. How does that prove anything?


How does Jason Witten saying that Jason Garrett is a "great coach" prove that Garrett "commands respect?"

It's the same thing. Over the last 2 years, the team has plenty of talent. Yet, Garrett is 10-10 as a head coach. Is that the record of a "great coach" as Witten suggests? Is that the record of a talented team who has completely bought it to the head coach?
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