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STLRamsFan99


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mista, with one of the worst offenses in the league for the 100th year in the row, you want us to spend our first two picks on the defense? Please explain this logic.


If they are BPA at positions of need then why not. No one knows where we will pick. I would like to see a receiver with one of those picks, but if it meant taking the best player or reaching for a early 2nd talent I would rather take best player available.


Eventually need has to become a factor. We have a qb thats on the verge of becoming a bust. Surrounding him with talent should honestly be the number one priority. Serious talent, not late rounders who will make zero impact or 2nd round picks who cant contribute because they cant see the field.


I agree that need is a factor but to what extent? Let's say we have a situation like last year, do you pick Reiff at 14? Kendall Wright?

I trust this FO and they will evaluate their weaknesses and become stronger through the draft and free agency.


I wanted blackmon. I wouldnt of minded Reiff (or decastro). Looking at the state of O line right now, we would be much better off with one of them than brockers.


I wouldn't go that far at all. DeCastro is on IR right now.

Our rush defense has stunk without him. I think once he gets in the game, he'll make a pretty noticeable difference.

If I were getting rid of anyone, it would be Quick for Jeffery or Cordy Glenn.


I agree, but do you think Jeffery would have played as well on the Rams while getting the main attention of opposing team's defenses? Having Brandon Marshall on the other side of the field I would think helps him get open.

That is another reason I'd like to see the Rams go after a #1 WR that is a free agent next year. It will take some of the pressure and coverage off of Amendola and guys like Quick and Givens when they do start to play consistently.


I don't know but what I can tell you is that he'd be on the field contributing. And if Jeffery was getting the defense's main attention, that would mean Amendola isn't which would help us.


Hopefully Quick is worth the wait. Heard he might be behind on picking up the playbook. Vincent Jackson had very slow start to his career but that turned out great so far. I hope Quick can do the same thing or better.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why are so many of you convinced that Saffold is of starting caliber? His rookie season was solid, but considering our offensive system at the time, he wasn't really asked to do too much.

Check this link, and you will see that in 2011, our worst stats in the rushing game were to his side (the left). I know you can't fault him entirely for that, but it is more evidence to me that we are looking at a mediocre player at best.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go



Check this link and you will see that he was the worst player on our team in 2011 in terms of blocking efficiency.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/


I'm counting the minutes until Lunatic and others come in here and defends him, but that is exactly what happened when I questioned Jason Smith. Saffold has shown next to nothing in terms of being impressive.(With the exception of rookie season hype).


Players don't improve as they gain experience? You could say the same thing about Bradford last year. Bad year so he is not a franchise QB? Saffold played good until his knee injury this year. When he comes back the Rams will find out what they have by the end of the year.


By all means, some players do improve with experience, but not all. I'm not saying the guy is trash, I just don't see where all the confidence in his abilities is derived from.

Are you telling me that you've evaluated Saffold's play this year? How many snaps has he even taken? He got injured in the 1st game, and then again in the 2nd game, and didn't play in the 3rd.


He played great during the preseason is what I am basing how he played so far. In the Lions game he didn't give up a single pressure until he got injured in the 4th quarter and left the game. He played solid up until about midway through through the 2nd quarter in the Redskins game too before he left.

As far as "confidence in his abilities is derived from", you could say that for half the Rams players. Nearly every Ram took a step back last year. That makes me think the coaching was part of the problem. Everyone wants Stewart to start but last year he missed a tackle in every 4.3 attempts. Even Long regressed in stopping the run the last couple years.

The coaching wasn't the best with Spags. We need to evaluate how players play from this point on with a experienced NFL coach not a coaching staff that looked like it is in over its head and couldn't make adjustments. Seems like you are singling out him and giving others a pass. See how he plays this season in his 3rd year then lets make a judgement on him in my opinion.


I singled him out because this thread was then revolving around picking lineman early in the draft. Also, there are few players on this team that the fan base assumes is good that have also not done anything to prove it. Guys like Long and JL-55 have proved they are good.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The J.R.S. wrote:
STLRamsFan99 wrote:
The J.R.S. wrote:
STLRamsFan99 wrote:
The J.R.S. wrote:
Why are so many of you convinced that Saffold is of starting caliber? His rookie season was solid, but considering our offensive system at the time, he wasn't really asked to do too much.

Check this link, and you will see that in 2011, our worst stats in the rushing game were to his side (the left). I know you can't fault him entirely for that, but it is more evidence to me that we are looking at a mediocre player at best.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go



Check this link and you will see that he was the worst player on our team in 2011 in terms of blocking efficiency.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/


I'm counting the minutes until Lunatic and others come in here and defends him, but that is exactly what happened when I questioned Jason Smith. Saffold has shown next to nothing in terms of being impressive.(With the exception of rookie season hype).


Players don't improve as they gain experience? You could say the same thing about Bradford last year. Bad year so he is not a franchise QB? Saffold played good until his knee injury this year. When he comes back the Rams will find out what they have by the end of the year.


By all means, some players do improve with experience, but not all. I'm not saying the guy is trash, I just don't see where all the confidence in his abilities is derived from.

Are you telling me that you've evaluated Saffold's play this year? How many snaps has he even taken? He got injured in the 1st game, and then again in the 2nd game, and didn't play in the 3rd.


He played great during the preseason is what I am basing how he played so far. In the Lions game he didn't give up a single pressure until he got injured in the 4th quarter and left the game. He played solid up until about midway through through the 2nd quarter in the Redskins game too before he left.

As far as "confidence in his abilities is derived from", you could say that for half the Rams players. Nearly every Ram took a step back last year. That makes me think the coaching was part of the problem. Everyone wants Stewart to start but last year he missed a tackle in every 4.3 attempts. Even Long regressed in stopping the run the last couple years.

The coaching wasn't the best with Spags. We need to evaluate how players play from this point on with a experienced NFL coach not a coaching staff that looked like it is in over its head and couldn't make adjustments. Seems like you are singling out him and giving others a pass. See how he plays this season in his 3rd year then lets make a judgement on him in my opinion.


I singled him out because this thread was then revolving around picking lineman early in the draft. Also, there are few players on this team that the fan base assumes is good that have also not done anything to prove it. Guys like Long and JL-55 have proved they are good.


I understand what you are saying. I was just trying to say everyone regressed on Rams and spags' staff was a major part of the problem. I not trying to argue with you are anything, I hope I didn't come off that way.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hopefully Quick is worth the wait. Heard he might be behind on picking up the playbook. Vincent Jackson had very slow start to his career but that turned out great so far. I hope Quick can do the same thing or better.


Hopefully. Brandon Marshall, who imo was Quick's best comparison pre-draft, didn't really play until the 2nd half of his rookie year.

And yea, I think he probably is behind on the playbook and his understanding of NFL defenses. Not surprising based on where he comes from. Lets just hope that he'll end up panning out and this all won't matter.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
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Hopefully Quick is worth the wait. Heard he might be behind on picking up the playbook. Vincent Jackson had very slow start to his career but that turned out great so far. I hope Quick can do the same thing or better.


Hopefully. Brandon Marshall, who imo was Quick's best comparison pre-draft, didn't really play until the 2nd half of his rookie year.

And yea, I think he probably is behind on the playbook and his understanding of NFL defenses. Not surprising based on where he comes from. Lets just hope that he'll end up panning out and this all won't matter.


Yeah, hopefully he'll be more involved the second half of the season kinda like how Quinn was brought along too. Teams like Green bay constantly draft WR in the 2nd round and later and develop them which, makes it always seem like they have an endless supply of WR. Hopefully Quick and Givens develop some this season so WR doesn't seem as pressing need next off-season.
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1a ) OT Luke Joeckel...Texas A & M

1b ) LB Manti Teo...Notre Dame

2 ) S Robert Lester...Alabama

3 ) TE Joseph Fauria...UCLA

4-7 ) OL Depth
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nodefense wrote:
1a ) OT Luke Joeckel...Texas A & M

1b ) LB Manti Teo...Notre Dame

2 ) S Robert Lester...Alabama

3 ) TE Joseph Fauria...UCLA

4-7 ) OL Depth


Big Joe is probably not going to last until the 3rd round.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I <3 Faulk wrote:
nodefense wrote:
1a ) OT Luke Joeckel...Texas A & M

1b ) LB Manti Teo...Notre Dame

2 ) S Robert Lester...Alabama

3 ) TE Joseph Fauria...UCLA

4-7 ) OL Depth


Big Joe is probably not going to last until the 3rd round.
Why do people want another TE? We already have a talented one that we dont get to use, we dont need another one.

Schotty has never been a 2 TE guy and there is no reason he is going to start now.
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StLunatic88 wrote:
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nodefense wrote:
1a ) OT Luke Joeckel...Texas A & M

1b ) LB Manti Teo...Notre Dame

2 ) S Robert Lester...Alabama

3 ) TE Joseph Fauria...UCLA

4-7 ) OL Depth


Big Joe is probably not going to last until the 3rd round.
Why do people want another TE? We already have a talented one that we dont get to use, we dont need another one.

Schotty has never been a 2 TE guy and there is no reason he is going to start now.



Help for Bradford. Plus he's 6-7 i think.
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Anybody else ready to jump on the Keenan Allen band wagon with me?
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Anybody else ready to jump on the Keenan Allen band wagon with me?


To be honest, I'm on the bandwagon for an outside-the-numbers playmaker. Any outside-the-numbers playmaker. Keenan Allen is a great prospect but the guy I'm really liking right now is Justin Hunter. Much more of a physical freak than Allen.

Right now, I'm perfectly fine with a #1 WR, versatile OLs, a speedy OLB and a FS that can slow down big TE's down the middle of the field.
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Anybody else ready to jump on the Keenan Allen band wagon with me?


To be honest, I'm on the bandwagon for an outside-the-numbers playmaker. Any outside-the-numbers playmaker. Keenan Allen is a great prospect but the guy I'm really liking right now is Justin Hunter. Much more of a physical freak than Allen.

Right now, I'm perfectly fine with a #1 WR, versatile OLs, a speedy OLB and a FS that can slow down big TE's down the middle of the field.


Is Justin Hunter having a BIG year?
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ramsfan55 wrote:
stlblackshirt wrote:
ramsfan55 wrote:
Anybody else ready to jump on the Keenan Allen band wagon with me?


To be honest, I'm on the bandwagon for an outside-the-numbers playmaker. Any outside-the-numbers playmaker. Keenan Allen is a great prospect but the guy I'm really liking right now is Justin Hunter. Much more of a physical freak than Allen.

Right now, I'm perfectly fine with a #1 WR, versatile OLs, a speedy OLB and a FS that can slow down big TE's down the middle of the field.


Is Justin Hunter having a BIG year?


He's playing well.
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Just saw this tidbit the other day on Justin Hunter...

Rotoworld wrote:
NFL Network's Albert Breer passed along a conversation he had with an NFL Scout, who said Tennessee junior WR Justin Hunter "doesn't seem as explosive now" after last season's ACL injury.The college scout did add that he loved Hunter before the injury, but the explosive bit could be troubling to some. The junior receiver has always been smooth in his routes and breaks, while creating a sliver of separation at the catch point to go along with strong hands

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StLunatic88 wrote:
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nodefense wrote:
1a ) OT Luke Joeckel...Texas A & M

1b ) LB Manti Teo...Notre Dame

2 ) S Robert Lester...Alabama

3 ) TE Joseph Fauria...UCLA

4-7 ) OL Depth


Big Joe is probably not going to last until the 3rd round.
Why do people want another TE? We already have a talented one that we dont get to use, we dont need another one.

Schotty has never been a 2 TE guy and there is no reason he is going to start now.


As a UCLA fan I love Fauria. That said, I am not sure I would want him on the Rams. He's a one trick pony, and I don't know if he will be great at that trick in the NFL. Sure in college he's great at it, but the NFL is a different game. Somebody will fall in love with the height and draft him in the second or first. I really don't see how he makes it to the third, barring injury of course.
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