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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StLunatic88 wrote:
Rrrrrrrams wrote:
it feels like we're hearing this overreactionstuff now the last 20 games.
except the one game against the redskins.
you know. the game after you wer calling out all the rams fans cause of this [b]one great catch by gibson.[/b]
talking about overreaction..
Pretty sure that never happened, but ok?

We were playing with Backups along the OL, and our normal starters arent dead. Saffold & Wells are expected back by week 8. A line of Saffold-Turner-Wells-Dahl-Richardson isnt a good one, but it is still 50x better than the one out there yesterday.

The Bears have an amazing DL, and anyone who thought that the offense would look any different than it did yesterday you were fooling yourselves. Especially seeing as Steven was even more hurt than they ever let on. (so much for what they said about him being able to come back into the Redskins game)

And those who think we are going to be going with a bunch of early offensive lineman, you will be sorely disappointed. Jeff Fisher, Paul Boudreau, and even Les Snead with the Falcons. They dont take OL in the First round. Other than the Sam Baker pick in Atlanta (which was a desperate pick) That group hasnt has a 1st round Lineman in the past Decade.

We all knew the offense would still need work, to act like this is some surprise is baffling to me, we just played a very good defense this year, and dont have the weapons to attack the soft spots of a Cover 2.


I would love for us not to have to use a 1st on an Oline. If we can find the talent in the later rounds, i'll jump on that bandwagon so fast it will be nuts. We could get Jarvis Jones and a WR or a S with the other pick.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Mock Reply with quote

Flatlyner wrote:
First mock of year up at draft countdown. How do you guys feel about it?
Tyler Lewan LT Michigan
Eric Reid S LSU

Personally, I'm hoping for Jarvis Jones and either a safety (McDonald, Reid) or a tackle.



O-Line and both safetys are the two positions i'd like them hit in this draft. I would'nt mind them hitting O-Line in the 1st & 2nd rds and Safety with 1st & 3rd rd picks.

Then OLB, RB and back up QB the following year.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets just take the two best O-lineman available at our picks and save ourselves the o-line headache Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, wells will be back and saffold too.
and i bet even if both are back at week 8, they will be out after week 9 again.

we have to play the cards, niners and seahawks twice.
sam will be hammered. this will be brutal.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rrrrrrrams wrote:
yes, wells will be back and saffold too.
and i bet even if both are back at week 8, they will be out after week 9 again.

we have to play the cards, niners and seahawks twice.
sam will be hammered. this will be brutal.


Wells isn't injury prone, it is the first time in his career he has been hurt.

Guys it is way too early to tell exactly what we need. There are way too many variables, what if Saffold and Wells come back and play great for the rest of the season. Will we still need a starting LOT or just depth?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isn't it the second time wth the rams?
and maybe that's why he is no packer anymore?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rrrrrrrams wrote:
isn't it the second time wth the rams?
and maybe that's why he is no packer anymore?
Im not sure what your deal is on this, but Wells has been a good, and very reliable Center in his career.

He isnt a packer anymore because we paid him more money, its not as if the packers didnt want him back. He had a clean up surgery in the offseason, he wasnt injured. And now he fractures a foot and you are blaming him for that? He is working to be back on the field in 5-6 weeks after fracturing his foot. How can you read that an be questioning him?

As for Saffold, he has now had 2 Freak injuries, and thats it. He tore his triceps while lifting weights... Not something that happens ofter(while Im still questioning if he was already injrued prior to that) Then he sprained his MCL while being tackled after trying to advance a fumble. Yep completely injury prone.

And lets not forget, we still have Rok on the roster, its not like he will disappear for next season.


It is a different discussion to say you are worried about right now, Its obvious that the depth is not what it needs to be, but While looking forward (as one does in a "mock" thread) We have Harvey Dahl, Scott Wells, Roger Saffold & Rok Watkins all under contract and potentially 4/5 of the Starting OL for 2013. The only one to question in that group is if Rok can be the starting LG. Yes we need depth, but you dont address depth by "using two early picks on the OL". And to dismiss the draft history of the 2 guys who will be making the picks is foolish, not to mention the guy in charge of the Line that is great at "coaching 'em up", especially finding his typw of guys later and making them good lineman.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rrrrrrrams wrote:
isn't it the second time wth the rams?
and maybe that's why he is no packer anymore?


At this point the most you can say is Quinn Ojinnaka hasn't filled in well since Wells' injury. Although our entire offensive struggled at times against the Bears.

Right now we don't have a lot of depth or long term solutions at ROT and LG (Watkins maybe). Another thing is saying we want to draft all these lineman as a knee jerk reaction but rookie linemen don't normally come into the league and dominate. It normally takes them a couple years to grasp schemes, the physicality of the game, and to get into better playing shape for the NFL. There aren't many Orlando Pace prospects.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, saffold is no injury prone cause he only had two freak injuries in three seasons?
ok, so you know he will never be injured again? for sure?

and of course wells wears the horns cause we paid more and not because he came here with an issue and after, what, two games, is out for the next 8 games.
maybe the packers knew he would struggle with some injuries?
i mean the rams were pretty much back to wall on oline.
maybe desperated enough to make a deal and hope, like they did with trevor laws.

i'm not sure. and i don't blame wells for anything and i know he is a good center.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well as has already been stated, we knew our offense was not a finished product. We also know that Fisher and company don't draft o-lineman in the 1st round. What we all have to keep in mind is the oh so important free agency moves. I'm not sure what o-line names will be available in 2013 but i'm willing to bet that we will do most of our o-line rehabilitation there with depth addressed in the later rounds of the draft.

Now on to my idea for our 2013 draft strategy.

It's pretty evident now what our team identity is. Nasty, Stingy, Aggressive D. That seems to be the montra for our entire division. I'm sure most if not all of you know that at least one of our 1st rounders will be a defensive player but i'm actually starting to lean towards both! Personally, aside from Keenan Allen I really don't see any other #1 WR.
Robert Woods IMO is a product of the USC system and is a top notch #2 in this league. Heck he doesn't even look like the best WR on his team anymore the way Marqise Lee has been ballin! Justin Hunter is one injury away from being DX 2.0. Has great potential but the acl scares me.

With our two 1st rounders i would like for us to go Jarvis Jones and Eric Reid (unless Keenan Allen slides to our 2nd 1st rounder.)
Yeah, yeah i know everyone wants to peg Jones as a strict 3-4 OLB but
i beg to differ. Jones is not your typical pass rush specialist like a Bruce Irvin. Jarvis is an everydown player. His coverage skills are above average, He also plays the run extremely well and his pursuit skills are second to none. Although his pass rush skills are elite he is athletic enough to drop back in zones and run with RBs and TE's. You have to be crazy if you think Fisher won't find a way to utilize Jarvis Jones skills in the 4-3. Now we have a LB core of JL55, Jo-Lann Dunbar and J Jones Shocked. I believe if Jones is still on the board with our 1st pick, Fisher and company will be drooling over him.

With our second 1st rounder we snatch my boy E Reid. This guy is about as good as it gets when it comes to the safety position. I'm not expecting him to put up ridiculious numbers at the combine but all you have to do is turn on the film. He reminds me alot of Laron Landry with way better ball and coverage skills. I love his tenacity. He doesn't shy away from any contact. I think we all know that our Safeties are the weak spot in our up and coming Defense. Mikell is tough competitor but he is a liability in coverage, and dont let me get started on Dahl Rolling Eyes . LSU has slowly but surely become known as "DB U" and Reid is the next great one to follow.

Now we have a defensive front of Long, Brockers, Langford, Quinn
A LB core of Dunbar, JL55, J Jones
And a defensive backfield of Finnegan, Stewart, Reid, J Jenkins Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Forget the monsters of the Midway!!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are so many of you convinced that Saffold is of starting caliber? His rookie season was solid, but considering our offensive system at the time, he wasn't really asked to do too much.

Check this link, and you will see that in 2011, our worst stats in the rushing game were to his side (the left). I know you can't fault him entirely for that, but it is more evidence to me that we are looking at a mediocre player at best.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

Check this link and you will see that he was the worst player on our team in 2011 in terms of blocking efficiency.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/


I'm counting the minutes until Lunatic and others come in here and defends him, but that is exactly what happened when I questioned Jason Smith. Saffold has shown next to nothing in terms of being impressive.(With the exception of rookie season hype).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The J.R.S. wrote:
Why are so many of you convinced that Saffold is of starting caliber? His rookie season was solid, but considering our offensive system at the time, he wasn't really asked to do too much.

Check this link, and you will see that in 2011, our worst stats in the rushing game were to his side (the left). I know you can't fault him entirely for that, but it is more evidence to me that we are looking at a mediocre player at best.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

Check this link and you will see that he was the worst player on our team in 2011 in terms of blocking efficiency.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/


I'm counting the minutes until Lunatic and others come in here and defends him, but that is exactly what happened when I questioned Jason Smith. Saffold has shown next to nothing in terms of being impressive.(With the exception of rookie season hype).


Players don't improve as they gain experience? You could say the same thing about Bradford last year. Bad year so he is not a franchise QB? Saffold played good until his knee injury this year. When he comes back the Rams will find out what they have by the end of the year.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

STLRamsFan99 wrote:
The J.R.S. wrote:
Why are so many of you convinced that Saffold is of starting caliber? His rookie season was solid, but considering our offensive system at the time, he wasn't really asked to do too much.

Check this link, and you will see that in 2011, our worst stats in the rushing game were to his side (the left). I know you can't fault him entirely for that, but it is more evidence to me that we are looking at a mediocre player at best.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go



Check this link and you will see that he was the worst player on our team in 2011 in terms of blocking efficiency.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/


I'm counting the minutes until Lunatic and others come in here and defends him, but that is exactly what happened when I questioned Jason Smith. Saffold has shown next to nothing in terms of being impressive.(With the exception of rookie season hype).


Players don't improve as they gain experience? You could say the same thing about Bradford last year. Bad year so he is not a franchise QB? Saffold played good until his knee injury this year. When he comes back the Rams will find out what they have by the end of the year.


By all means, some players do improve with experience, but not all. I'm not saying the guy is trash, I just don't see where all the confidence in his abilities is derived from.

Are you telling me that you've evaluated Saffold's play this year? How many snaps has he even taken? He got injured in the 1st game, and then again in the 2nd game, and didn't play in the 3rd.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mista, with one of the worst offenses in the league for the 100th year in the row, you want us to spend our first two picks on the defense? Please explain this logic.
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S-jax39 wrote:
Mista, with one of the worst offenses in the league for the 100th year in the row, you want us to spend our first two picks on the defense? Please explain this logic.


If they are BPA at positions of need then why not. No one knows where we will pick. I would like to see a receiver with one of those picks, but if it meant taking the best player or reaching for a early 2nd talent I would rather take best player available.
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