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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Carlson is a nice, all-purpose tight end. It's a little early to form a final judgement on the guy after three weeks. Kind of like saying we should fire Leslie Frazier after two weeks. Not even a quarter of the way through the regular season and already we're one win away from our 2011 total - it's not the time to be close minded yet.

Carlson, pre-injury, looked every bit the part of one of the NFL's next best young tight ends. It's not often you find a player at the position who enters the league as a complete player who's capable as both a blocker and receiver. For a roughly $5 million per season, which really is not that much for a 1B player who's not even necessarily a true backup, we'll receive solid production for the majority of his contract.

Besides - given the mega deals being handed out these days, what's a measly $9M guaranteed. Hardly crippling, worst-case scenario.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteelKing728 wrote:
vike daddy wrote:
i know Carlson dropped a pass in his hands in the SF game, was he targeted more than that one play?


On Ponder's 20 yard TD run, the play was designed for a 20 yard wheel route to Carlson. He never got open.



That play was a great example of the outstanding coverage the Niners play. I think it was Willis who picked him up on the route, and you could tell he knew exactly where Carlson was going.

Nobody covers better than the Niners.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Against the Redskins, Carlson had 17 snaps vs Ellison's 14 snaps.

For the year, Carlson has 3 catches for 8 yards, Ellison has 3 catches for 51 yards.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Against the Redskins, Carlson had 17 snaps vs Ellison's 14 snaps.

For the year, Carlson has 3 catches for 8 yards, Ellison has 3 catches for 51 yards.

Carlson is trending up though! He's catch this week was for more than 2 yards.
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rpmwr19 wrote:
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Against the Redskins, Carlson had 17 snaps vs Ellison's 14 snaps.

For the year, Carlson has 3 catches for 8 yards, Ellison has 3 catches for 51 yards.

Carlson is trending up though! He's catch this week was for more than 2 yards.


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John Carlson's comeback season has hit another snag. The Vikings' underutilized tight end will be re-evaluated Monday after concussion-like symptoms sidelined him during the third quarter of Sunday's 21-14 victory over the Arizona Cardinals.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_21823866/minnesota-vikings-john-carlson-has-another-setback-this
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John Carlson's first season with the Minnesota Vikings hasn't gone quite the way anybody hoped. But Vikings general manager Rick Spielman said on Sunday he's not second-guessing the decision to make Carlson one of the NFL's higher-paid tight ends.

Spielman: "I know what you see out in practice and how he works in practice and the types of catches that he does make in practice. That he got hurt and missed all that part of that training camp kind of set him back, especially when you're trying to learn a new scheme. But sometimes, some of these veterans don't work out as well until maybe their second year."

Carlson's contract ranks 14th among all NFL tight ends in average per year, but only $7.9 million is fully guaranteed -- a $5 million signing bonus and a $2.9 million base salary for 2012. Another $1.2 million in 2013 base salary is guaranteed for injury only unless Carlson is on the roster as of the first day of the 2013 league year.

In other words, if the Vikings decide they made a bad investment, they could cut Carlson after the season without owing him any future salary, provided he isn't hurt and they're willing to take a $4 million cap hit.

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Vikings_GM_Rick_Spielman_says_John_Carlson_has_lot_of_football_left111812
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumbs down, but it's not a real cause for concern considering we know we really haven't seen the real John Carlson stand up yet. He's fallen off due to a flurry of injuries but he's the quintessential complete tight end. We got him at a hometown discounted price and at a lengthy term that doesn't handicap us. I don't see any reason to overreact at this point. Obviously we're implementing more multi-TE sets in this offense and unlike the other TE-capable players on the roster, Carlson's hands are a true strength.

Also, I don't consider Rhett Ellison a tight end.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purple-Pride07 wrote:
Also, I don't consider Rhett Ellison a tight end.

H-Back? I'm curious about your reasoning.
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rpmwr19 wrote:
Purple-Pride07 wrote:
Also, I don't consider Rhett Ellison a tight end.

H-Back? I'm curious about your reasoning.


Skill set, primarily. He has the size of a tight end but strikes me as a bit of a tweener based on his strong suites. We selected him as a projection and in time I think he can carve out a nice role for himself. I may have mis-spoke, as I think Rhett Ellison isn't a tight end right now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he's on the roster at the start of the 2013 league year (in March), then $1.2 million of his '13 base salary becomes guaranteed. If they cut him before that, they don't owe him another dime and just take a $4 million cap hit. Not that bad in the grand scheme of things. My guess, though, is since they've paid him $7.9 million already they'll give him another year and hope he stays healthy enough to fit into the scheme and contribute.

http://m.1500espn.com/pages/sportswire.php?sPL=chat_live_about_vikings_with_tom_pelissero_at_1_pm_friday010313
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't free any money up so we might as well give him another year.
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