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Estonianzulu
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: |
See: crowding out, all or nothing demand
don't really want to get into it but its not like i got a masters in economics or anything |
Ok, so if you dont get a prestige boost, and your economy suffers, why does anyone ever bid for these events?
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mistakebytehlak
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: |
See: crowding out, all or nothing demand
don't really want to get into it but its not like i got a masters in economics or anything |
Ok, so if you dont get a prestige boost, and your economy suffers, why does anyone ever bid for these events? |
technically the browns are not the city, so i guess it changes it a bit--- the browns (read Haslam) could potentially benefit (i dont know how they get compensated from the NFL/tv contracts)
could be a knifeedge case where it just so happens that it is optimal (property of all or nothign demand) for htat one team
if you take a game theory perspective of it- someone bid their valuation, and valued it higher than others, but ultimately made a bad choice
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Estonianzulu
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: |
See: crowding out, all or nothing demand
don't really want to get into it but its not like i got a masters in economics or anything |
Ok, so if you dont get a prestige boost, and your economy suffers, why does anyone ever bid for these events? |
technically the browns are not the city, so i guess it changes it a bit--- the browns (read Haslam) could potentially benefit (i dont know how they get compensated from the NFL/tv contracts)
could be a knifeedge case where it just so happens that it is optimal (property of all or nothign demand) for htat one team
if you take a game theory perspective of it- someone bid their valuation, and valued it higher than others, but ultimately made a bad choice |
Well, I know what a city is. But the rest of that was gobbledygook
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fsubrowns9510
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: |
See: crowding out, all or nothing demand
don't really want to get into it but its not like i got a masters in economics or anything |
Ok, so if you dont get a prestige boost, and your economy suffers, why does anyone ever bid for these events? |
technically the browns are not the city, so i guess it changes it a bit--- the browns (read Haslam) could potentially benefit (i dont know how they get compensated from the NFL/tv contracts)
could be a knifeedge case where it just so happens that it is optimal (property of all or nothign demand) for htat one team
if you take a game theory perspective of it- someone bid their valuation, and valued it higher than others, but ultimately made a bad choice |
Well, I know what a city is. But the rest of that was gobbledygook |
Baaahahaa
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mistakebytehlak
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: |
See: crowding out, all or nothing demand
don't really want to get into it but its not like i got a masters in economics or anything |
Ok, so if you dont get a prestige boost, and your economy suffers, why does anyone ever bid for these events? |
technically the browns are not the city, so i guess it changes it a bit--- the browns (read Haslam) could potentially benefit (i dont know how they get compensated from the NFL/tv contracts)
could be a knifeedge case where it just so happens that it is optimal (property of all or nothign demand) for htat one team
if you take a game theory perspective of it- someone bid their valuation, and valued it higher than others, but ultimately made a bad choice |
Well, I know what a city is. But the rest of that was gobbledygook |
browns wouldn't care about crowding out (i.e. the visitors/businesses taking hotel spots and preventing people from going downtown to the casino because it will be too busy to go downtown)...where as if the city was bidding for the olympics, it should.
there are three cases in all or nothing demand
marginal revenue of bidding is less than marginal cost of bidding and winning- then you dont bid
marginal revenue of bidding is equal to marginal cost - then you bid and its optimal (this is what one does with continuous demand and cost curves)
marginal revenue > marginal cost then you bid
well, since its discrete, that means theres a set of measure zero (0% probability or as we call the knifedge case--- ever tried to balance something on a knife edge?) that its optimal.
if you look at it like its game theory- which one should do- everyone has valuations of holding the superbowl. depending on the type of the auction, its pretty much guaranteed that someone should bid their valuation of the object. well, say Tom Benson could have a higher valuation of holding the superbowl than Jimmy Haslam, even though he could have been not acting financially optimal (perhaps it means something to him that he held the superbowl in his stadium)
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fsubrowns9510
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Dude you are reading way too far into this lol
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fsubrowns9510
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Dude you are reading way too far into this lol
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mistakebytehlak
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| fsubrowns9510 wrote: | | Dude you are reading way too far into this lol |
How the hell do you figure
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Estonianzulu
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | (0% probability or as we call the knifedge case--- ever tried to balance something on a knife edge?) |
No, because I use my knives for cutting things.
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mistakebytehlak
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | (0% probability or as we call the knifedge case--- ever tried to balance something on a knife edge?) |
No, because I use my knives for cutting things. |
OH MAN you're funny
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | (0% probability or as we call the knifedge case--- ever tried to balance something on a knife edge?) |
No, because I use my knives for cutting things. |
OH MAN you're funny |
I lol'd
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| fsubrowns9510 wrote: | | cortes02 wrote: | | fsubrowns9510 wrote: | Old pic but how BADA-- does that look?
C'mon now.
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Now "THAT" looks really nice. If a roof is put on the stadium, I would like it to look like this or something very similar.
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Well its retractable, and this is 2012 so yea its going to look sweet if its done.
I say make the damn thing look like the Browns helmet. |
Like the plexi-glass (I assume) clarity.
Not so sure about the Browns' helmet idea.
They almost certainly will have arc the roof "skin", which, when you include HVAC, additional insulation and such probably will at least double the $90 mil estimate.
Pretty much building a stadium exoskeleton around a stadium. Probably should have been done in the first place.
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StewieRules
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I'm mixed - I like the cold weather and the intimidation of having a warm weather team play here in Dec. As a fan I like 30 degrees & snow. 8 degrees and 30kt winds are another matter though, so I can see both sides of that. I'm sure the players would prefer it and there's no question that a building with a roof can make more money in the North and one without one.
To host a SB though, downtown would need a real renovation - I was stunned last time I flew into Burke (2 years ago) as how far it has fallen from the Flats heydays - it was pretty depressing, and something that would undoubtedly have to be addressed before hosting such a massive event.
But my take on whats been written officially so far leaves me skeptical - I don't think we'll be seeing one any time soon. |
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Estonianzulu
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | (0% probability or as we call the knifedge case--- ever tried to balance something on a knife edge?) |
No, because I use my knives for cutting things. |
OH MAN you're funny |
I like to think so.
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hornbybrown
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | (0% probability or as we call the knifedge case--- ever tried to balance something on a knife edge?) |
No, because I use my knives for cutting things. |
OH MAN you're funny |
I like to think so. |
Yeah but are we laughing with you or at you?
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