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mistakebytehlak 
Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 38708 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: |
in re a) thats a complete misconception |
Much like the Olympics if I recall, the cost often outweighs the immediate benefits. But, what it does for a city's prestige and psyche is not really measurable. |
Yeah, hows Detroit's prestige?
Also, ask Korea how its doing with all those extra soccer stadiums from the 2002 World Cup.
pretty sure they are going unused. _________________
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nugpimpen 
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: |
in re a) thats a complete misconception |
Much like the Olympics if I recall, the cost often outweighs the immediate benefits. But, what it does for a city's prestige and psyche is not really measurable. |
Yeah, hows Detroit's prestige?
Also, ask Korea how its doing with all those extra soccer stadiums from the 2002 World Cup.
pretty sure they are going unused. |
I agree to a certain extent.
We are only building a roof, not a new stadium.
I really do think it may be able to eventually draw an NCAA Final Four or events of that nature.
It may not be a huge financial advantage, but if it turns the stadium from being used 12 days a year to 25, it's still money for downtown.
Especially if Haslem throws down for the roof. _________________
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Estonianzulu 
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: |
Yeah, hows Detroit's prestige?
Also, ask Korea how its doing with all those extra soccer stadiums from the 2002 World Cup.
pretty sure they are going unused. |
The Korea example doesn't really apply since the stadium would obviously be used.
The first point is a fair one, though more people talk about rebuilding Detroit and no one talks about rebuilding Cleveland. _________________
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fsubrowns9510 
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 12526 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | fsubrowns9510 wrote: | DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Few points-
A.) Hosting a Super Bowl and the revenue it would bring to the city.
B.) Fans will actually stay at games when the weather turns to crap. Last year in a relitively close game vs the Bengals, people were leaving for cover when it started sprinkling at the home opener.
C.) Loud indoor stadiums are extremely difficult to play in for opposing teams.
D.) So many other opportunities open up for the stadium if a dome is there.
Things are different. Build your team for indoor football run and gun and you can take it to more teams than if your built for the snow. |
in re a) thats a complete misconception |
Yea?
How the hell do you figure?
Maybe the city itself would lose some money but downtown businesses would make a killing. Overall there is no way hosting a super bowl would be a loss for Cleveland. _________________
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osu2win 
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 111 Location: Columbus, OH
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| fsubrowns9510 wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | fsubrowns9510 wrote: | DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Few points-
A.) Hosting a Super Bowl and the revenue it would bring to the city.
B.) Fans will actually stay at games when the weather turns to crap. Last year in a relitively close game vs the Bengals, people were leaving for cover when it started sprinkling at the home opener.
C.) Loud indoor stadiums are extremely difficult to play in for opposing teams.
D.) So many other opportunities open up for the stadium if a dome is there.
Things are different. Build your team for indoor football run and gun and you can take it to more teams than if your built for the snow. |
in re a) thats a complete misconception |
Yea?
How the hell do you figure?
Maybe the city itself would lose some money but downtown businesses would make a killing. Overall there is no way hosting a super bowl would be a loss for Cleveland. |
Cleveland has a long way to go to develop a viable downtown for major events. Indy sets the gold standard for downtown / sports stadium scene in the midwest. If you have never been... I would strongly suggest it for B1G football or basketball championships. Its sick. No way we can compete there. The Columbus downtown scene is better suited for non-Super Bowl events like regional finals for NCAA. More closely located hotel / restaurant / bar area that's easily walkable and safe.
Final Four is a stretch for Columbus and Cleveland even if the stadium gets a roof... not to mention watching basketball in a football stadium is terrible. I went to the FF at Reliant in Houston a couple years ago and it was a beyond-miserable in game experience. The stadium is so huge you are miles away from the action (not to mention no alcohol at NCAA events).
I liken this to me getting a private jet. Yes, that would be cool as hell. But I'll never be able to afford it and lets be honest.. what good would it really do me?? |
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Estonianzulu 
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:49 am Post subject: |
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So, per ESPN radio its going to be a $5-$10 ticket increase and selling the rights to the name. _________________
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fsubrowns9510 
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 12526 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | So, per ESPN radio its going to be a $5-$10 ticket increase and selling the rights to the name. |
Pretty sure tickets to the games are in the lower tier around the league anyways.
Make the team a winner and I could care less. _________________
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ReggieCamp 
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| fsubrowns9510 wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | So, per ESPN radio its going to be a $5-$10 ticket increase and selling the rights to the name. |
Pretty sure tickets to the games are in the lower tier around the league anyways.
Make the team a winner and I could care less. |
I thought I read where the Browns have the lowest ticket costs in the league.
Anyway, I can't see Cleveland hosting a SB anytime soon, but I'd think a roof would pay for itself pretty quickly, just from the extra usage of the stadium. I can only guess a new video screen (or 2) is coming also. Ours is pretty bad. _________________ Cleveland Browns: We put the fun in dysfunction.
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fsubrowns9510 
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 12526 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| ReggieCamp wrote: | | fsubrowns9510 wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | So, per ESPN radio its going to be a $5-$10 ticket increase and selling the rights to the name. |
Pretty sure tickets to the games are in the lower tier around the league anyways.
Make the team a winner and I could care less. |
I thought I read where the Browns have the lowest ticket costs in the league.
Anyway, I can't see Cleveland hosting a SB anytime soon, but I'd think a roof would pay for itself pretty quickly, just from the extra usage of the stadium. I can only guess a new video screen (or 2) is coming also. Ours is pretty bad. |
Yea. Between naming rights and the little ticket increase... and extra events it'd be paid off in no time.
Its retractable. We decide yay or nay...
Do it. _________________
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cortes02 
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| fsubrowns9510 wrote: | Old pic but how BADA-- does that look?
C'mon now.
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Now "THAT" looks really nice. If a roof is put on the stadium, I would like it to look like this or something very similar.
Peace!! _________________
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fsubrowns9510 
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| cortes02 wrote: | | fsubrowns9510 wrote: | Old pic but how BADA-- does that look?
C'mon now.
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Now "THAT" looks really nice. If a roof is put on the stadium, I would like it to look like this or something very similar.
Peace!! |
Well its retractable, and this is 2012 so yea its going to look sweet if its done.
I say make the damn thing look like the Browns helmet. _________________
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DaWg_LB. 
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 4139
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| fsubrowns9510 wrote: | | cortes02 wrote: | | fsubrowns9510 wrote: | Old pic but how BADA-- does that look?
C'mon now.
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Now "THAT" looks really nice. If a roof is put on the stadium, I would like it to look like this or something very similar.
Peace!! |
Well its retractable, and this is 2012 so yea its going to look sweet if its done.
I say make the damn thing look like the Browns helmet. |
SECONDED!!!!
I might be on the bandwagon if this is the case LOL..... _________________ -A team is built through the Draft.
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DaWg_LB. 
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| candyman93 wrote: | | If he is able to find someone to build a dome onto the stadium, maybe he can have them stick some big iron poles in various spots, so the old schoolers can sit behind them and feel like its the good ol' days again instead of complaining about how there's a dome on the stadium. |
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mistakebytehlak 
Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 38708 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| fsubrowns9510 wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | fsubrowns9510 wrote: | DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Few points-
A.) Hosting a Super Bowl and the revenue it would bring to the city.
B.) Fans will actually stay at games when the weather turns to crap. Last year in a relitively close game vs the Bengals, people were leaving for cover when it started sprinkling at the home opener.
C.) Loud indoor stadiums are extremely difficult to play in for opposing teams.
D.) So many other opportunities open up for the stadium if a dome is there.
Things are different. Build your team for indoor football run and gun and you can take it to more teams than if your built for the snow. |
in re a) thats a complete misconception |
Yea?
How the hell do you figure?
Maybe the city itself would lose some money but downtown businesses would make a killing. Overall there is no way hosting a super bowl would be a loss for Cleveland. |
See: crowding out, all or nothing demand
don't really want to get into it but its not like i got a masters in economics or anything _________________
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Ether 
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Call me ignorant or short sighted, I don't care, but I'd really hate to see us change our identity and ruin the cold weather atmosphere. I just can't imagine the Cleveland Browns playing indoors and on turf, it sounds so wrong to me. |
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