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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
Good game guys.

You guys have an AMAZING run D.

And for what it's worth - I approve of you guys playing all out during Kneel downs. The offense does not dictate when the game ends.


Good luck the rest of the way.
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Playcalling is a problem yes. But you cannot sit there and tell me Freeman isn't?

Stares down WRs. Holds the ball too long. throws behind WRs. Underthrows WRs.

Yes our offense was conservative. But I do not want to hear how things "Opened up and worked" with 2 minutes left down 9. That means nothing.

Does Sullivan need to open it up? Yes. But Freeman fails to see the field. He looks for Jackson and waits for him to get open. If another WR isn't open on that immediate side of the field, than it's going to be a sack, INT or Incompletion every time.
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Playcalling is a problem yes. But you cannot sit there and tell me Freeman isn't?

Stares down WRs. Holds the ball too long. throws behind WRs. Underthrows WRs.

Yes our offense was conservative. But I do not want to hear how things "Opened up and worked" with 2 minutes left down 9. That means nothing.

Does Sullivan need to open it up? Yes. But Freeman fails to see the field. He looks for Jackson and waits for him to get open. If another WR isn't open on that immediate side of the field, than it's going to be a sack, INT or Incompletion every time.

How many times are you going to repeat yourself? We get it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any updates on Clayborne? We really can't afford to lose him.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

REDandPEWTER wrote:
Playcalling is a problem yes. But you cannot sit there and tell me Freeman isn't?

Stares down WRs. Holds the ball too long. throws behind WRs. Underthrows WRs.

Yes our offense was conservative. But I do not want to hear how things "Opened up and worked" with 2 minutes left down 9. That means nothing.

Does Sullivan need to open it up? Yes. But Freeman fails to see the field. He looks for Jackson and waits for him to get open. If another WR isn't open on that immediate side of the field, than it's going to be a sack, INT or Incompletion every time.


Who is saying Freeman played a great game?

It's just annoying listen to you push your anti-Freeman agenda when there's more at play than just him. The playcalling was hilariously bad, and Freeman pretty much only threw the ball when there was no other choice, or does that not work for your argument? Freeman does well, so clearly the Cowboys weren't trying, but when the defense knows exactly what's coming it's on Freeman?

He played poorly, yes. Very much so. But it wasn't even the biggest issue with the offense. The only times the offense even looked decent were early in the game, when Blount was in, and late in the game.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone watching the KC Game?
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tml_gogo wrote:
Any updates on Clayborne? We really can't afford to lose him.


They said it's a knee injury, but no word on the severity. That's a tough loss. I hope it's nothing serious.
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Any word on Clayborn, and Bennett keeps playing in beast mode he is going to get paid some big money.
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RoeKG wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
Playcalling is a problem yes. But you cannot sit there and tell me Freeman isn't?

Stares down WRs. Holds the ball too long. throws behind WRs. Underthrows WRs.

Yes our offense was conservative. But I do not want to hear how things "Opened up and worked" with 2 minutes left down 9. That means nothing.

Does Sullivan need to open it up? Yes. But Freeman fails to see the field. He looks for Jackson and waits for him to get open. If another WR isn't open on that immediate side of the field, than it's going to be a sack, INT or Incompletion every time.


Who is saying Freeman played a great game?

It's just annoying listen to you push your anti-Freeman agenda when there's more at play than just him. The playcalling was hilariously bad, and Freeman pretty much only threw the ball when there was no other choice, or does that not work for your argument? Freeman does well, so clearly the Cowboys weren't trying, but when the defense knows exactly what's coming it's on Freeman?

He played poorly, yes. Very much so. But it wasn't even the biggest issue with the offense. The only times the offense even looked decent were early in the game, when Blount was in, and late in the game.


Understandable. Yes I say it's the offense as a whole, but I see so many excuses made that it's the product around Freeman that's terrible.

I'm with you on Mike Sullivan. He's new as a play-caller but him and Schiano need to open things up more. But there were runs we had 3 and 4 yard gains on 1st and 2nd down and freeman couldnt' complete even 3rd and short yard gains for a first. I can tell they don't trust Freeman and there are reasons not too. But to find out if he's your guy you have to.

Me personally? Freeman just has poor vision and awareness. How he handled the blitz pre-snap was extremely poor. I HIGHLY DOUBT Sullivan and Schiano don't have much control when it comes to adjustments and calling an audible.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
RoeKG wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
Playcalling is a problem yes. But you cannot sit there and tell me Freeman isn't?

Stares down WRs. Holds the ball too long. throws behind WRs. Underthrows WRs.

Yes our offense was conservative. But I do not want to hear how things "Opened up and worked" with 2 minutes left down 9. That means nothing.

Does Sullivan need to open it up? Yes. But Freeman fails to see the field. He looks for Jackson and waits for him to get open. If another WR isn't open on that immediate side of the field, than it's going to be a sack, INT or Incompletion every time.


Who is saying Freeman played a great game?

It's just annoying listen to you push your anti-Freeman agenda when there's more at play than just him. The playcalling was hilariously bad, and Freeman pretty much only threw the ball when there was no other choice, or does that not work for your argument? Freeman does well, so clearly the Cowboys weren't trying, but when the defense knows exactly what's coming it's on Freeman?

He played poorly, yes. Very much so. But it wasn't even the biggest issue with the offense. The only times the offense even looked decent were early in the game, when Blount was in, and late in the game.


Understandable. Yes I say it's the offense as a whole, but I see so many excuses made that it's the product around Freeman that's terrible.

I'm with you on Mike Sullivan. He's new as a play-caller but him and Schiano need to open things up more. But there were runs we had 3 and 4 yard gains on 1st and 2nd down and freeman couldnt' complete even 3rd and short yard gains for a first. I can tell they don't trust Freeman and there are reasons not too. But to find out if he's your guy you have to.

Me personally? Freeman just has poor vision and awareness. How he handled the blitz pre-snap was extremely poor. I HIGHLY DOUBT Sullivan and Schiano don't have much control when it comes to adjustments and calling an audible.


Those points are valid, you're aboslutely right. Freeman has his problems.

However, not trusting Freeman gets us mocked by announcers, and I was honestly laughing in frustration like an insane person watching the same, up the middle runs every drive AND EVEN when it was basically the 2 minute drill.

Not trusting Freeman and calling plays like a 10 year old playing Madden loses games. We could be a 3-0 team if our offense was even average, but right now they have to be the worst in the league. Our defense has kept us in every game as much as needed and created a lot of opportunities for the offense that they didn't take. Whether Sullivan trusts Free or not doesn't matter to me because we're losing games right now. Take off the training wheels and let him throw the ball.

I would think he has little more option because he won't have a job for long at this pace.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RoeKG wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
RoeKG wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
Playcalling is a problem yes. But you cannot sit there and tell me Freeman isn't?

Stares down WRs. Holds the ball too long. throws behind WRs. Underthrows WRs.

Yes our offense was conservative. But I do not want to hear how things "Opened up and worked" with 2 minutes left down 9. That means nothing.

Does Sullivan need to open it up? Yes. But Freeman fails to see the field. He looks for Jackson and waits for him to get open. If another WR isn't open on that immediate side of the field, than it's going to be a sack, INT or Incompletion every time.


Who is saying Freeman played a great game?

It's just annoying listen to you push your anti-Freeman agenda when there's more at play than just him. The playcalling was hilariously bad, and Freeman pretty much only threw the ball when there was no other choice, or does that not work for your argument? Freeman does well, so clearly the Cowboys weren't trying, but when the defense knows exactly what's coming it's on Freeman?

He played poorly, yes. Very much so. But it wasn't even the biggest issue with the offense. The only times the offense even looked decent were early in the game, when Blount was in, and late in the game.


Understandable. Yes I say it's the offense as a whole, but I see so many excuses made that it's the product around Freeman that's terrible.

I'm with you on Mike Sullivan. He's new as a play-caller but him and Schiano need to open things up more. But there were runs we had 3 and 4 yard gains on 1st and 2nd down and freeman couldnt' complete even 3rd and short yard gains for a first. I can tell they don't trust Freeman and there are reasons not too. But to find out if he's your guy you have to.

Me personally? Freeman just has poor vision and awareness. How he handled the blitz pre-snap was extremely poor. I HIGHLY DOUBT Sullivan and Schiano don't have much control when it comes to adjustments and calling an audible.


Those points are valid, you're aboslutely right. Freeman has his problems.

However, not trusting Freeman gets us mocked by announcers, and I was honestly laughing in frustration like an insane person watching the same, up the middle runs every drive AND EVEN when it was basically the 2 minute drill.

Not trusting Freeman and calling plays like a 10 year old playing Madden loses games. We could be a 3-0 team if our offense was even average, but right now they have to be the worst in the league. Our defense has kept us in every game as much as needed and created a lot of opportunities for the offense that they didn't take. Whether Sullivan trusts Free or not doesn't matter to me because we're losing games right now. Take off the training wheels and let him throw the ball.

I would think he has little more option because he won't have a job for long at this pace.


I agree sink or swim with Freeman. If he can't do it, they will bring in another QB next season. As long as defense stays relatively healthy, they will be in all the games.
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At least we're not New Orleans. Laughing
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bucsfan333 wrote:
At least we're not New Orleans. Laughing

wow we are 1-2 instead of 0-3...what HUGE difference Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is our offense effective in practice? Serious question. Does it work during the week? Is that why we do what we do on Sundays?
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bucsfan333 wrote:
At least we're not New Orleans. Laughing

wow we are 1-2 instead of 0-3...what HUGE difference Rolling Eyes

Half you guys aren't any fun to talk football with.
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