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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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^I'd agree, but we were a "good enough to get in, not good enough to win it all" team for over 10 years.

Let's finally make a team that can go the distance.


IDK. If Eli and the Giants won it twice, we certainly had a good enough team to win it at least once. I mean, how many times did we make the NFCCG? We were definitely good enough, especially earlier on in the Reid/McNabb era.

But this team does need some blue chip prospects and it all starts with a QB. Even if we decide to keep Vick here beyond this season (would be a big mistake in my book) he doesn't have that many more years left in him. We need to find our QB before we can even being to talk about winning a SB.
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Phire wrote:
^I'd agree, but we were a "good enough to get in, not good enough to win it all" team for over 10 years.

Let's finally make a team that can go the distance.


IDK. If Eli and the Giants won it twice, we certainly had a good enough team to win it at least once. I mean, how many times did we make the NFCCG? We were definitely good enough, especially earlier on in the Reid/McNabb era.

But this team does need some blue chip prospects and it all starts with a QB. Even if we decide to keep Vick here beyond this season (would be a big mistake in my book) he doesn't have that many more years left in him. We need to find our QB before we can even being to talk about winning a SB.

I'd say we were truly good enough to win it in 2004, which was also the best Eagles team we've seen in recent times (thanks to TO and a lot of veterans having been in their prime). Fielding the best team gave us the best shot to win.

Yeah, the Cinderella stories happen every now and then. The Giants got lucky, astronomically lucky, I don't know if we can count on luck. I'd rather count on a good team.
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The lack of Dynasties proves that you just need to be hot at the right time. The Steelers and Giants have both won a couple, but have been marred with ugly seasons in between. Saints, Packers? They made it one time only never to go back; Colts made it twice, but they had the GOAT QB. The Ravens look like the same situation, although who knows with how this year is shaping up in the NFL.

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The lack of Dynasties proves that you just need to be hot at the right time. The Steelers and Giants have both won a couple, but have been marred with ugly seasons in between. Saints, Packers? They made it one time only never to go back; Colts made it twice, but they had the GOAT QB. The Ravens look like the same situation, although who knows with how this year is shaping up in the NFL.

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I wouldn't say those teams were bad, though. Yeah, you can win it all by getting hot at the right time, but the caveat is that you have to be one of the better teams that gets hot at the right time. No junk team gets hot and wins it all.
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Matts4313 wrote:
The lack of Dynasties proves that you just need to be hot at the right time. The Steelers and Giants have both won a couple, but have been marred with ugly seasons in between. Saints, Packers? They made it one time only never to go back; Colts made it twice, but they had the GOAT QB. The Ravens look like the same situation, although who knows with how this year is shaping up in the NFL.

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I wouldn't say those teams were bad, though. Yeah, you can win it all by getting hot at the right time, but the caveat is that you have to be one of the better teams that gets hot at the right time. No junk team gets hot and wins it all.


I disagree. The 07' Giants had a very good defense and a horrific and inconsistent QB/offense for basically their first 14 games. The Steelers won their first SB despite Big Ben's horrific play throughout the year. #1 defenses tend to do that. The Cardnials a 7-9 team came within a still questionable toe tap TD by Holmes of winning it all. The Ravens last season proved as much. A inconsistent regular season QB and defense get a lucky bounce here or there and become World Champs. Happened with the Tyree catch, Holmes toe tap, hail merry botched coverage in Denver. Any of those fluke plays go the other way your looking at 3 different SB champs. We had our "hot run" in 2008 but choke in the first QT defensively against Fitzgerald giving up 3 TD. We've rarely been the team with the lucky breaks. Until we get them having the Seattle Seahawks entire squad won't matter. Yes we need upgrades but not to the extent Seattle is the end all be all of dominance. They won't even make the SB this year, watch
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None of those teams are BAD teams, they were good teams with a facet of their team not playing up to par in the regular season. Those examples are not examples of bad teams accidentally getting hot, those are examples of good teams that played to their capacity when it counted.

The Giants and the Steelers are bad examples, those teams with both Eli and Ben have won more than one Super Bowl. You don't accidentally get hot and win it all two times. Eli is a sleeping giant (pun intended) even to this day. Big Ben is one of the coolest quarterbacks under pressure.

I wouldn't call the Ravens last year a bad team either. They had the defense, the leadership, and the offense. I would argue there's a big difference between a bad team, and a team that didn't play very well in the regular season.

Part of what makes a team good is their ability to bounce back and play hard when it counts. So any team that wasn't as good in the regular season, but got hot and went on to win it all is a good team simply because they had the will to be a Champion for that year.
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The Giants are going to make some poor team pay out the nose for Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe even the Eagles. Laughing
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The Giants are going to make some poor team pay out the nose for Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe even the Eagles. Laughing


Nope, Joe Banner and the Browns.
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The Giants are going to make some poor team pay out the nose for Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe even the Eagles. Laughing


For a franchise QB okay. I don't see how that's hilarious.
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Phire wrote:
None of those teams are BAD teams, they were good teams with a facet of their team not playing up to par in the regular season. Those examples are not examples of bad teams accidentally getting hot, those are examples of good teams that played to their capacity when it counted.

The Giants and the Steelers are bad examples, those teams with both Eli and Ben have won more than one Super Bowl. You don't accidentally get hot and win it all two times. Eli is a sleeping giant (pun intended) even to this day. Big Ben is one of the coolest quarterbacks under pressure.

I wouldn't call the Ravens last year a bad team either. They had the defense, the leadership, and the offense. I would argue there's a big difference between a bad team, and a team that didn't play very well in the regular season.

Part of what makes a team good is their ability to bounce back and play hard when it counts. So any team that wasn't as good in the regular season, but got hot and went on to win it all is a good team simply because they had the will to be a Champion for that year.


Bad teams don't make the playoffs so it's impossible to counter your argument.

The 7-9 Cardinals and the '07 Giants were about as bad as you'll get.
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The Giants are going to make some poor team pay out the nose for Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe even the Eagles. Laughing

No shot. You won't be that bad.
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Phire wrote:
None of those teams are BAD teams, they were good teams with a facet of their team not playing up to par in the regular season. Those examples are not examples of bad teams accidentally getting hot, those are examples of good teams that played to their capacity when it counted.

The Giants and the Steelers are bad examples, those teams with both Eli and Ben have won more than one Super Bowl. You don't accidentally get hot and win it all two times. Eli is a sleeping giant (pun intended) even to this day. Big Ben is one of the coolest quarterbacks under pressure.

I wouldn't call the Ravens last year a bad team either. They had the defense, the leadership, and the offense. I would argue there's a big difference between a bad team, and a team that didn't play very well in the regular season.

Part of what makes a team good is their ability to bounce back and play hard when it counts. So any team that wasn't as good in the regular season, but got hot and went on to win it all is a good team simply because they had the will to be a Champion for that year.


Bad teams don't make the playoffs so it's impossible to counter your argument.

The 7-9 Cardinals and the '07 Giants were about as bad as you'll get.

Yes, and my argument stated before is that no bad teams just accidentally get hot and win it all, you need to be one of the better teams in the first place.
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The Giants are going to make some poor team pay out the nose for Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe even the Eagles. Laughing

No shot. You won't be that bad.


+1 there's still Jax and Oak.
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Gmen wrote:
The Giants are going to make some poor team pay out the nose for Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe even the Eagles. Laughing

No shot. You won't be that bad.


+1 there's still Jax and Oak.


And Cleveland
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If Chargers beat the Cowboys on Sunday, Eagles are still within striking distance no matter what happens vs the Broncos.

I still think Eagles can easily catch Cowboys even if they are 2 games back, but you don't want to give them any cushion
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