the diagnose of clark

Gatoradus · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: the diagnose of clark

We are in middle of the game betwee jets and steelers, one thing I noticed is that ryan clark's presence robably have a bigger impact for us than we thought. So my question is... is ryan clark the most important defensive player for our team, not troy polamalu? I'm not one to be bashing polamalu, but.. as years goes, polamalu have been less and less impactful than where he was when won DPOY. Ryan clark, in my mind seemingly to be more disciplined than few yrs ago and better.

Reason why I'm typing here, about this is that I kind of want to hear people's argument or shall I say, confirming my sanity?

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Leader O'Cola · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject:

the issue isn't Clark v Polamalu

it's if EITHER is out there's a terrrrrrible dropoff in what comes off the bench.
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Gatoradus · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject:

That's true but think about it... lebeau may have overutilizepolamalu that he is now easily exposed compared to clark because of his style of playing. Veteran quarterbacks now are taught to find polamalu on our defense and when they do, they are able to change plays, calling audibles. I.E. Manning. Don't get me wrong, polamau are easily more talented than clark but by how we use polamalu, that's when I feel like it... takes away a bit from our defense, you know?

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steelcurtain29 · Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 33103 Location: Monongahela, PA

It had nothing to do with Ryan or Troy out there.

It had everything to do with Sanchez or Manning out there.
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rollins · Joined: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 513

While I think at times we are over critical of Ryan Clark, he is no where near the player Troy is. Two reasons we looked a lot better on defense today.

The first as four three said is that we were playing manning last week and sanchez this week. Thats affects things for obvious reasons.

The second is that when Troy is out Mundy is only mildly below average as an in the box strong safety. But when Clark is out Mundy is terrible at playing deep safety he has zero ball skills or coverage skills. Since he is terrible at manning the deep safety position Troy is not allowed to play his game.

In short Clark looked very good today becuase of how much Mundy sucks. I really hope that Golden can turn into a player. I really liked what I saw from him in preseason. He looks to have the instincts and coverage ability to play free safety.

3rivers · Joined: 01 Jan 2011 Posts: 1695

did clark hurt his neck with that one hit?

at23steelers · Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Posts: 3721 Location: United States

The difference isn't Polamalu vs. Clark, but Mundy at FS vs. SS. The less Mundy has to be assigned to cover midfield the better off we are. Mundy's biggest strength is tackling, so he's much better near the LOS. IMO, that Holmes TD no matter how much Simms and others want to blame Ike, that looked all on him.

Leader O'Cola · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject:

kethnaab · Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 7315

another thing to consider is how our front 7 schemed this week after that ugly first series by the Jets

once Coach LeBeau took the reigns off and allowed us to actually put some pressure on up front, Sanchez buckled. That always makes the DBs look better.

However, Clark is the smart guy, and the QB of our secondary. He is a huge player for us.
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Gatoradus · Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject:

Actually I'm talking about scheme-wise. We seem to be able to play without polamalu, as a team we have learned how to replace polamalu, but as for clark seemingly we struggled more. I understand that it was manning who we played against but people forgot that we had whole pre-season to prepare for this game. Manning also isn't 100% himself. We struggled much more with replacing clark. So schemically, clark is much more vital for us. My opinion.

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Gatoradus · Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:41 am Post subject:

Agree, I think it was more on lebeau than players who was "at fault" like ike taylor.

I'm just glad to see clark back and grabbing a victory from Tebow! Its not exactly a revenge,, but still ha

jebrick · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 7133 Location: Indianapolis

the CB played all bump and run which is to their favor. Lewis should not even play unless he is playing bump and run.
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