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What's happening?
Punishment for something that's going on behind the scenes
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
Trying to keep him fresh for later on the season
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Secret injury that we don't know about
40%
 40%  [ 9 ]
Giving a professional favor, keeping him healthy since he doesn't have a longterm contract
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Belichick wants to see how we'd fare if we let him walk
40%
 40%  [ 9 ]
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Sciz


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With 2 WRs, 2 TEs, and 1 RB on the field today, Edelman had 13 snaps to Welker's 2. There's obviously something going on.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
Where's the option for "Josh McDaniels sucks"?


But 2007! Randy Moss! Boy Genius!

I was happy to see McDaniels leave and now I remember why.

I can't believe he actually made me miss Bill O'Brien today.


I'm sure there will be plenty of other opportunities to miss O'Brien as the year progresses.

O'Brien, after the Moss trade, was a very good OC. He had his faults and his bad moments/games, but I'd definitely take him over McDaniels.

O'Brien was honestly more infuriating for me, because he'd dial up the occasional abomination of a play that was so bad and so predictable, you could see disaster coming a mile away just by the formation. McDaniels just seems to string along sequences of head-scratchers, but never bottoms out. I don't think O'Brien ever called as bad an overall game as what McDaniels trotted out today, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tzimisce wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
Where's the option for "Josh McDaniels sucks"?


But 2007! Randy Moss! Boy Genius!

I was happy to see McDaniels leave and now I remember why.

I can't believe he actually made me miss Bill O'Brien today.


I'm sure there will be plenty of other opportunities to miss O'Brien as the year progresses.

O'Brien, after the Moss trade, was a very good OC. He had his faults and his bad moments/games, but I'd definitely take him over McDaniels.
Think he'd leave his PSU job to come back, given how everything there has gone to hell? I would if I were him.


Ha. No.

Honestly, other than Crennel, every coordinator the Pats have had under Belichick has had some really poor moments. I think it's probably because we've come to expect near perfection in terms of coaching.

I do think though that McDaniels is the worst of the 3 OC's the Pats have had under Belichick. He's the worst at making adjustments and he (like Weis) tends to overthink things and/or try to get cute at times instead of keeping it simple.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richter wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
mcmurtry86 wrote:
Richter wrote:
Where's the option for "Josh McDaniels sucks"?


But 2007! Randy Moss! Boy Genius!

I was happy to see McDaniels leave and now I remember why.

I can't believe he actually made me miss Bill O'Brien today.


I'm sure there will be plenty of other opportunities to miss O'Brien as the year progresses.

O'Brien, after the Moss trade, was a very good OC. He had his faults and his bad moments/games, but I'd definitely take him over McDaniels.

O'Brien was honestly more infuriating for me, because he'd dial up the occasional abomination of a play that was so bad and so predictable, you could see disaster coming a mile away just by the formation. McDaniels just seems to string along sequences of head-scratchers, but never bottoms out. I don't think O'Brien ever called as bad an overall game as what McDaniels trotted out today, though.


I'd take today's game plan over SB42's game plan.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You didn't include, nothing, as an option. I select that.


Last week that's what I thought and thought people were overreacting.

Today it looked like Welker was going to be totally excluded until Hernandez got hurt and forced them to use him.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tonyto3690 wrote:
Canadian_Patriot wrote:
You didn't include, nothing, as an option. I select that.


Last week that's what I thought and thought people were overreacting.

Today it looked like Welker was going to be totally excluded until Hernandez got hurt and forced them to use him.


Last week I thought "probably a small injury or maybe nothing". This week I don't see any possible way to say it's nothing.

Something is going on. Whether or not it's something we should be concerned about going forward remains to be seen.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He had 11 targets: More than Edelman or Gronkowski. I would not say that he is being marginalized.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He had 11 targets: More than Edelman or Gronkowski. I would not say that he is being marginalized.


The issue isn't getting the ball in his hands when he's on the field.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't just be that Welker is not in football shape? Naw...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Couldn't just be that Welker is not in football shape? Naw...


Why wouldn't he be in football shape? He isn't coming off offseason surgery (that we know of) and was in camp for its entirety.

I don't think he would have slacked off in his private training in a contract year.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
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He had 11 targets: More than Edelman or Gronkowski. I would not say that he is being marginalized.


The issue isn't getting the ball in his hands when he's on the field.


Well, what does it matter then? If they are still targeting him a lot, then none of the reasons in the poll really apply. Players are sometimes more effective when they are on the field less (they are better rested).
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mcmurtry86 wrote:
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He had 11 targets: More than Edelman or Gronkowski. I would not say that he is being marginalized.


The issue isn't getting the ball in his hands when he's on the field.


Well, what does it matter then? If they are still targeting him a lot, then none of the reasons in the poll really apply. Players are sometimes more effective when they are on the field less (they are better rested).


Seriously?

The question is "why isn't the field more?"

He's been here for 5+ years now and he's been on the field (when healthy) for 90%+ of the snaps regularly. Now he's splitting time with Julian Edelman and you don't think something worth discussing (or speculating upon) is going on? Really?

We know what we have in Welker and what we know is that he is a guy who is incredibly effective (and trusted by Brady and BB) even when playing him 90%+ of the snaps. There is absolutely no logic in the idea that the Pats are playing him less frequently in order to maximize his effectiveness.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcmurtry86 wrote:
Canadian_Patriot wrote:
You didn't include, nothing, as an option. I select that.


You don't think there's anything going on? Really?

Julian Edelman played more snaps than Wes Welker today. If that's not a sign that something is going on, I don't know what to say.

If "nothing" is going on, Belichick and McDaniels have become totally incompetent overnight for keeping Welker on the bench in favor of Edelman. It makes no sense whatsoever for Welker to be getting less than 90% of the meaningful non-short yardage (i.e. "heavy personnel") snaps.


I vote nothing. When he's on the field he looks good.

The problem is the Coach in this case.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know but it seemed like every time Brady threw to Welker something good happened.


Like when that fairly easy 3rd down pass went right through his hands? Wink


I literally screamed in the airport bar after that play....three really bad misses for welker over the last three meaningful games.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I vote nothing. When he's on the field he looks good.

The problem is the Coach in this case.


More likely:

Something behind the scenes is wrong with Welker (or otherwise affecting his playing time)

Bill Belichick is taking one of his top players off the field in favor of a fringe NFL WR for no reason.

Right. The problem is most certainly not "the Coach in this case."
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