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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jacoby should have gotten MVP.


Ya he got robbed! I wonder where he ends up next year as its looking like he'll be a cap casualty.
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Jacoby should have gotten MVP.


Ya he got robbed! I wonder where he ends up next year as its looking like he'll be a cap casualty.

On rotoworld it said they are looking to extend him to
Lower his cap hit across some years because hes proved to e so valuable.
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Marco79 wrote:
lumberjackchris wrote:
Marco79 wrote:
Jacoby should have gotten MVP.


Ya he got robbed! I wonder where he ends up next year as its looking like he'll be a cap casualty.

On rotoworld it said they are looking to extend him to
Lower his cap hit across some years because hes proved to e so valuable.


Ya that woulda be a dumb move.

I wonder where Boldin ends up then?
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Do we thank you enough for your free agents? Jacoby was great. Leach was good. Pollard though was really bad this particular game, but good earlier.
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Do we thank you enough for your free agents? Jacoby was great. Leach was good. Pollard though was really bad this particular game, but good earlier.


Will take some crabcakes and yalls 1st rounder Wink
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Ha can't wait for Apollo to come in here and TRY to say Schaub is better than Flacco based on stats


Nope. Today, I will officially place Flacco ABOVE Schaub. Flacco elevated his game in the playoffs while Schaub didn't. Of course, Flacco also had 3 legit WRs, 2 TEs, and 2 RBs, you can see what a difference some aggressive playcalling can make once they ditched Cam, and don't forget a special teams play again provided the difference on the scoreboard along with turnovers created. Flacco finally elevated in his 5th playoff run, Schaub has had 1 chance. How many times has Flacco lost to Brady, Ben, Manning in the playoffs before this season (answer: 4 times)? I'll give Flacco the deep arm advantages, but there is no contest on accuracy and our system values the latter more than the former.

Now for the flip side. Rick Smith SMARTLY locked up Schaub before THIS season knowing that a healthy season and a deep playoff run would vastly improve Schaub's leverage. Now the Ravens get to gut their team trying to make a $20 million per season salary ($100 million+ total) work while we get 4 more years of Schaub escalating from $7 - $14 million with the likely reality that if he hasn't elevated his game in the playoffs by 2014 that he'll never see the final 2 years of his contract. Flacco may be slightly better than Schaub on health & playoff experience, but not 3x better as next year's salary will indicate or 2x in subsequent years.

The Texans throttled the Ravens in week 7 while firing on all cylinders and there is no reason to think that we couldn't again next season with a few more weapons in our arsenal and the Ravens losing several of theirs. They got hot at the right time and we faded late. I would argue that the Ravens actually peaked a few years ago from a talent perspective and the Texans are clearly still ascending, so I draw nothing but confidence in a Ravens ring as we just have a few rough edges to sort out and are perfectly positioned for a 2-4 year run at the top with the Ravens, Broncos, and Pats all dealing with issues at the top due to age and cap. Unless somebody unearths the 2nd, 3rd round QB that is going to Kaepernick us to the top this season, Schaub continues to present our best shot and ultimately could be viewed as next years QB that is granted legit elite status as you'll never convince me that Eli, Flacco, or Ben have much more to offer as QBs aside from stepping it up in the playoffs, which again was an opportunity afforded to them on multiple occassions due to their defenses and running games which Schaub has been able to work with for exactly 1 playoff run now.
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BTW - And while we're at it, how did the "mobility" argument work for the 49ers in the red zone? Kaepernick sucked in the red zone all year and did again yesterday (including the missed 2 pointer). As much as 49ers fans will cry about a non call on Smith "holding" Crabtree, that was a textbook example of poor route running as all Crabtree has to do is give a simple step or shoulder fake inside before bolting outside to his spot on the fade, but he instead just runs straight into Smith which invites timing pattern killing contact in a situation where 95% of refs will rightly swallow their whistle. Boldin may not have the wheels of other receivers, but he makes up for it as a technician of the position that brings fundamentals of route running and catching technique that a guy like Crabtree still hasn't developed (catch he made vs. ones Crabtree didn't easily being a critical difference in the end result). Furthermore, they went to Crabtree 3 straight times which is remniscient of the Texans predictability in the RZ with 95% of pass plays targeted to AJ or OD. Kaepernick is going to get casino blitzed every time in the RZ until he can prove he and his receivers can handle it.
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Apollo Stallion wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Ha can't wait for Apollo to come in here and TRY to say Schaub is better than Flacco based on stats


Nope. Today, I will officially place Flacco ABOVE Schaub. Flacco elevated his game in the playoffs while Schaub didn't. Of course, Flacco also had 3 legit WRs, 2 TEs, and 2 RBs, you can see what a difference some aggressive playcalling can make once they ditched Cam, and don't forget a special teams play again provided the difference on the scoreboard along with turnovers created. Flacco finally elevated in his 5th playoff run, Schaub has had 1 chance. How many times has Flacco lost to Brady, Ben, Manning in the playoffs before this season (answer: 4 times)? I'll give Flacco the deep arm advantages, but there is no contest on accuracy and our system values the latter more than the former.

Now for the flip side. Rick Smith SMARTLY locked up Schaub before THIS season knowing that a healthy season and a deep playoff run would vastly improve Schaub's leverage. Now the Ravens get to gut their team trying to make a $20 million per season salary ($100 million+ total) work while we get 4 more years of Schaub escalating from $7 - $14 million with the likely reality that if he hasn't elevated his game in the playoffs by 2014 that he'll never see the final 2 years of his contract. Flacco may be slightly better than Schaub on health & playoff experience, but not 3x better as next year's salary will indicate or 2x in subsequent years.

The Texans throttled the Ravens in week 7 while firing on all cylinders and there is no reason to think that we couldn't again next season with a few more weapons in our arsenal and the Ravens losing several of theirs. They got hot at the right time and we faded late. I would argue that the Ravens actually peaked a few years ago from a talent perspective and the Texans are clearly still ascending, so I draw nothing but confidence in a Ravens ring as we just have a few rough edges to sort out and are perfectly positioned for a 2-4 year run at the top with the Ravens, Broncos, and Pats all dealing with issues at the top due to age and cap. Unless somebody unearths the 2nd, 3rd round QB that is going to Kaepernick us to the top this season, Schaub continues to present our best shot and ultimately could be viewed as next years QB that is granted legit elite status as you'll never convince me that Eli, Flacco, or Ben have much more to offer as QBs aside from stepping it up in the playoffs, which again was an opportunity afforded to them on multiple occassions due to their defenses and running games which Schaub has been able to work with for exactly 1 playoff run now.


Preaching the gospel.

I'm not a Schaub "fan," per se, but the idea that Flacco is somehow now elite and Schaub is now hopelessly inept is a total fiction. I get sick of listening to sports callers talk about the deep ball and mobility.

1. Ask any scout or former QB what the two most irrelevant parts of a QB's game are; EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM will tell you it's arm strength and mobility.

2. I wish people would quit talking like it was Schaub's fault that Jacoby was a failure here. Guess what - Jacoby did in Baltimore EXACTLY what he did in Houston as a receiver: virtually nothing save a great play every once in awhile. People pointing to Jacoby's play vs. Denver seem to have forgotten that Schaub did that exact thing to the Denver defense this season... THREE TIMES, including to Kevin Walter. Jacoby is a third WR and return specialist. He would not have improved our receiving corps in the slightest.

3. I think you're a bit off if you think Cameron's coaching was more akin to Kubiak's. Kubiak and Caldwell exhibit very similar tendencies as offensive signal callers. I think that, minus a deep ball here and there, Houston's offense has every last bit of the potential that Baltimore's showed.

4. If you don't think that Houston was a better team than Baltimore this year (this is directed at everyone), you're an idiot. Houston destroyed Baltimore and it wasn't even close. If you honestly think that Jones would've helped this receiving corps (or return game), you're foolish. If you'd rather have Pollard in this secondary than Quin and Manning, you're foolish. If you think any fullback in the past 30 years is worth a $9MM contract, you need to hire a personal accountant now because you're a fool with money.
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BTW - And while we're at it, how did the "mobility" argument work for the 49ers in the red zone? Kaepernick sucked in the red zone all year and did again yesterday (including the missed 2 pointer). As much as 49ers fans will cry about a non call on Smith "holding" Crabtree, that was a textbook example of poor route running as all Crabtree has to do is give a simple step or shoulder fake inside before bolting outside to his spot on the fade, but he instead just runs straight into Smith which invites timing pattern killing contact in a situation where 95% of refs will rightly swallow their whistle. Boldin may not have the wheels of other receivers, but he makes up for it as a technician of the position that brings fundamentals of route running and catching technique that a guy like Crabtree still hasn't developed (catch he made vs. ones Crabtree didn't easily being a critical difference in the end result). Furthermore, they went to Crabtree 3 straight times which is remniscient of the Texans predictability in the RZ with 95% of pass plays targeted to AJ or OD. Kaepernick is going to get casino blitzed every time in the RZ until he can prove he and his receivers can handle
it.


No one here is clamoring for the next running qb like you keep implying. We all want a guy who can elude pass rushers. As kenney said, its not a big deal in the scouting world (mobility) but the fact that Schaub is so ATROCIOUSLY BAD about eluding rushers, it becomes a big deal. A guy like Flacco is what (at least me) we suggest. A guy who can move in the pocket, occasionally run for a first down and scramble to buy time.

And don't kid yourself about the deep ball and the accuracy deep. Schaub may have the arm to throw it 50 yards, but it isn't accurate AT ALL. The naked boot leg is designed to hit those deep plays (its suppose to make safeties bite and allow the wide out or TE to get open deep) and schaubs lack of ability to hit them in stride or even on target IS a problem and I cannot for the life of me figure out why so many still don't see it. Its disgusting to read posts on here sometimes....
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kenney wrote:
Apollo Stallion wrote:
amazingandre wrote:
Ha can't wait for Apollo to come in here and TRY to say Schaub is better than Flacco based on stats


Nope. Today, I will officially place Flacco ABOVE Schaub. Flacco elevated his game in the playoffs while Schaub didn't. Of course, Flacco also had 3 legit WRs, 2 TEs, and 2 RBs, you can see what a difference some aggressive playcalling can make once they ditched Cam, and don't forget a special teams play again provided the difference on the scoreboard along with turnovers created. Flacco finally elevated in his 5th playoff run, Schaub has had 1 chance. How many times has Flacco lost to Brady, Ben, Manning in the playoffs before this season (answer: 4 times)? I'll give Flacco the deep arm advantages, but there is no contest on accuracy and our system values the latter more than the former.

Now for the flip side. Rick Smith SMARTLY locked up Schaub before THIS season knowing that a healthy season and a deep playoff run would vastly improve Schaub's leverage. Now the Ravens get to gut their team trying to make a $20 million per season salary ($100 million+ total) work while we get 4 more years of Schaub escalating from $7 - $14 million with the likely reality that if he hasn't elevated his game in the playoffs by 2014 that he'll never see the final 2 years of his contract. Flacco may be slightly better than Schaub on health & playoff experience, but not 3x better as next year's salary will indicate or 2x in subsequent years.

The Texans throttled the Ravens in week 7 while firing on all cylinders and there is no reason to think that we couldn't again next season with a few more weapons in our arsenal and the Ravens losing several of theirs. They got hot at the right time and we faded late. I would argue that the Ravens actually peaked a few years ago from a talent perspective and the Texans are clearly still ascending, so I draw nothing but confidence in a Ravens ring as we just have a few rough edges to sort out and are perfectly positioned for a 2-4 year run at the top with the Ravens, Broncos, and Pats all dealing with issues at the top due to age and cap. Unless somebody unearths the 2nd, 3rd round QB that is going to Kaepernick us to the top this season, Schaub continues to present our best shot and ultimately could be viewed as next years QB that is granted legit elite status as you'll never convince me that Eli, Flacco, or Ben have much more to offer as QBs aside from stepping it up in the playoffs, which again was an opportunity afforded to them on multiple occassions due to their defenses and running games which Schaub has been able to work with for exactly 1 playoff run now.


Preaching the gospel.

I'm not a Schaub "fan," per se, but the idea that Flacco is somehow now elite and Schaub is now hopelessly inept is a total fiction. I get sick of listening to sports callers talk about the deep ball and mobility.

1. Ask any scout or former QB what the two most irrelevant parts of a QB's game are; EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM will tell you it's arm strength and mobility.

2. I wish people would quit talking like it was Schaub's fault that Jacoby was a failure here. Guess what - Jacoby did in Baltimore EXACTLY what he did in Houston as a receiver: virtually nothing save a great play every once in awhile. People pointing to Jacoby's play vs. Denver seem to have forgotten that Schaub did that exact thing to the Denver defense this season... THREE TIMES, including to Kevin Walter. Jacoby is a third WR and return specialist. He would not have improved our receiving corps in the slightest.

3. I think you're a bit off if you think Cameron's coaching was more akin to Kubiak's. Kubiak and Caldwell exhibit very similar tendencies as offensive signal callers. I think that, minus a deep ball here and there, Houston's offense has every last bit of the potential that Baltimore's showed.

4. If you don't think that Houston was a better team than Baltimore this year (this is directed at everyone), you're an idiot. Houston destroyed Baltimore and it wasn't even close. If you honestly think that Jones would've helped this receiving corps (or return game), you're foolish. If you'd rather have Pollard in this secondary than Quin and Manning, you're foolish. If you think any fullback in the past 30 years is worth a $9MM contract, you need to hire a personal accountant now because you're a fool with money.


Did we just kind of agree on something?

I agree with you on the core differences between Kubiak and Cameron in play selection, but what I was referring to was more their penchant to stubbornly stick to their principles even in the face of clear evidence that they aren't working. Cam is a guy who thought it was a good idea in Miami to have Cleo Lemon dropping back and airing it out 40 times per game as if it were Phillip Rivers in his prime. Flacco may have finally entered a phase where he can win some games for his team, but Ray Rice, defense, and that powerful o-line probably could have led them to 2 or 3 more rings if Cameron didn't abandon the run the second they got behind or throw too much low percentage crap when protecting leads. Kubiak is kind of the opposite, where he keeps the shackles on far too long, even when it doesn't make sense to do so. His version of throwing with Cleo Lemon was running 425 times with Slaton/Moats/Brown in 2009 and absurd 405 carries with Foster this year. He also stuck to his failed first half scripts in 2011.

As for Jacoby - did you also see him fumble (and recover) a punt in a situation he had no business being reckless with the football AFTER his touchdown? If that ball bounces differently he is easily the goat (again), regardless. On balance, a kick returner who takes dumb risks (like returning kickoffs from 8 yards deep in the end zone) hurts you more than he helps you. Jacoby is perfect for the Baltimore offense that doesn't ask him to be a reliable receiver, but rather merely provide a second deep threat to keep teams from focusing on Torrey Smith and open up space for Boldin, the TE's and Rice to convert the underneath stuff. In our offense, Jacoby was a QB killer the second he switched from being the guy who was occasionally wide open because AJ & OD were doubled or safeties were crashing in on Arian, and became someone expected to help move the chains. Schaub haters ought to find a single QB asked to throw to a QB tandem less talented than the Walter/Jacoby tandem whiile AJ was hurt in 2011. Take Boldin off that team and rely on Jacoby & Smith as a primary threats and watch Flacco's QBR plummmet as his INTs skyrocket. Problem is, Jacoby gets paid like a #2 but is ill suited for anything more than a returner/occassional deep threat role.
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amazingandre wrote:
Apollo Stallion wrote:
BTW - And while we're at it, how did the "mobility" argument work for the 49ers in the red zone? Kaepernick sucked in the red zone all year and did again yesterday (including the missed 2 pointer). As much as 49ers fans will cry about a non call on Smith "holding" Crabtree, that was a textbook example of poor route running as all Crabtree has to do is give a simple step or shoulder fake inside before bolting outside to his spot on the fade, but he instead just runs straight into Smith which invites timing pattern killing contact in a situation where 95% of refs will rightly swallow their whistle. Boldin may not have the wheels of other receivers, but he makes up for it as a technician of the position that brings fundamentals of route running and catching technique that a guy like Crabtree still hasn't developed (catch he made vs. ones Crabtree didn't easily being a critical difference in the end result). Furthermore, they went to Crabtree 3 straight times which is remniscient of the Texans predictability in the RZ with 95% of pass plays targeted to AJ or OD. Kaepernick is going to get casino blitzed every time in the RZ until he can prove he and his receivers can handle
it.


No one here is clamoring for the next running qb like you keep implying. We all want a guy who can elude pass rushers. As kenney said, its not a big deal in the scouting world (mobility) but the fact that Schaub is so ATROCIOUSLY BAD about eluding rushers, it becomes a big deal.


This isn't true. If somebody is chasing down Schaub from the backside, he isn't gonna get away. If somebody is right in his face, he isn't gonna get out of the way most likely. But Schaub is very, very good at moving around in the pocket, sliding to elude rushers, etc. Not great, but very good at it.
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amazingandre wrote:
Apollo Stallion wrote:
BTW - And while we're at it, how did the "mobility" argument work for the 49ers in the red zone? Kaepernick sucked in the red zone all year and did again yesterday (including the missed 2 pointer). As much as 49ers fans will cry about a non call on Smith "holding" Crabtree, that was a textbook example of poor route running as all Crabtree has to do is give a simple step or shoulder fake inside before bolting outside to his spot on the fade, but he instead just runs straight into Smith which invites timing pattern killing contact in a situation where 95% of refs will rightly swallow their whistle. Boldin may not have the wheels of other receivers, but he makes up for it as a technician of the position that brings fundamentals of route running and catching technique that a guy like Crabtree still hasn't developed (catch he made vs. ones Crabtree didn't easily being a critical difference in the end result). Furthermore, they went to Crabtree 3 straight times which is remniscient of the Texans predictability in the RZ with 95% of pass plays targeted to AJ or OD. Kaepernick is going to get casino blitzed every time in the RZ until he can prove he and his receivers can handle
it.


No one here is clamoring for the next running qb like you keep implying. We all want a guy who can elude pass rushers. As kenney said, its not a big deal in the scouting world (mobility) but the fact that Schaub is so ATROCIOUSLY BAD about eluding rushers, it becomes a big deal. A guy like Flacco is what (at least me) we suggest. A guy who can move in the pocket, occasionally run for a first down and scramble to buy time.

And don't kid yourself about the deep ball and the accuracy deep. Schaub may have the arm to throw it 50 yards, but it isn't accurate AT ALL. The naked boot leg is designed to hit those deep plays (its suppose to make safeties bite and allow the wide out or TE to get open deep) and schaubs lack of ability to hit them in stride or even on target IS a problem and I cannot for the life of me figure out why so many still don't see it. Its disgusting to read posts on here sometimes....


No what is disgusting is people extrapolating a puny sampling of plays out of about 600 passing plays where Schaub looks ugly trying to use his legs to get away from pressure or meaningless stats like rushing totals from a non running QB to try to paint a story that is purely inaccurate. What you continue to describe is David freakin Carr who had a great set of wheels that bought him and average of 58 sacks per season, while Schaub averages about 26 sacks per season. Find me a "mobile" QB, I'll find you a QB who takes too many sacks. Friggin Luck took 41 sacks and threw 18 ints and lost 5 fumbles while Schaub took 27 and threw 12 and didn't lose a single fumble which is 25 more plays where their QB made decisions that severely impacted metrics that directly impact W/L more than rushing for 16 yards per game. How about letting nearly 100 more passes hit the turf like Luck did? Do you trade 100 instances of no gain for those 16 yards in rushing? Again, this is using #1 overall pick as the comparable when our starting point would be pick #27 or some Matt Flynn quality option.

I'll take the past decade of the success of pocket passers like Brady, Manning, Brees, Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, etc over one season of two once in a generation Qbs in Luck/RG3 and two teams hitting in the 2nd and 3rd on Wilson and Kaepernick, especially when you factor in the records of teams featuring Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Michael Vick, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Tannehill, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Freeman, etc compared to ours. Seems that two teams in our division never went anywhere with the likes of Vince Young and Garrard either while the immobile Manning and Schaub have won all the division titles while they burn more high first rounders on mobile QBs.

If you were banging a drum for us to draft Kaepernick two years ago or Russell Wilson last year, you would at least have a valid argument, but since you didn't all you are doing is peeing into the water under the bridge until you offer some valid alternative for the 2013 team other than this mythical Qb that apparently exists only in some fantasy Narnia of yours and only you have the key to the locker he hides behind.
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Apollo Stallion wrote:
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Ha can't wait for Apollo to come in here and TRY to say Schaub is better than Flacco based on stats


Nope. Today, I will officially place Flacco ABOVE Schaub. Flacco elevated his game in the playoffs while Schaub didn't. Of course, Flacco also had 3 legit WRs, 2 TEs, and 2 RBs, you can see what a difference some aggressive playcalling can make once they ditched Cam, and don't forget a special teams play again provided the difference on the scoreboard along with turnovers created. Flacco finally elevated in his 5th playoff run, Schaub has had 1 chance. How many times has Flacco lost to Brady, Ben, Manning in the playoffs before this season (answer: 4 times)? I'll give Flacco the deep arm advantages, but there is no contest on accuracy and our system values the latter more than the former.

Now for the flip side. Rick Smith SMARTLY locked up Schaub before THIS season knowing that a healthy season and a deep playoff run would vastly improve Schaub's leverage. Now the Ravens get to gut their team trying to make a $20 million per season salary ($100 million+ total) work while we get 4 more years of Schaub escalating from $7 - $14 million with the likely reality that if he hasn't elevated his game in the playoffs by 2014 that he'll never see the final 2 years of his contract. Flacco may be slightly better than Schaub on health & playoff experience, but not 3x better as next year's salary will indicate or 2x in subsequent years.

The Texans throttled the Ravens in week 7 while firing on all cylinders and there is no reason to think that we couldn't again next season with a few more weapons in our arsenal and the Ravens losing several of theirs. They got hot at the right time and we faded late. I would argue that the Ravens actually peaked a few years ago from a talent perspective and the Texans are clearly still ascending, so I draw nothing but confidence in a Ravens ring as we just have a few rough edges to sort out and are perfectly positioned for a 2-4 year run at the top with the Ravens, Broncos, and Pats all dealing with issues at the top due to age and cap. Unless somebody unearths the 2nd, 3rd round QB that is going to Kaepernick us to the top this season, Schaub continues to present our best shot and ultimately could be viewed as next years QB that is granted legit elite status as you'll never convince me that Eli, Flacco, or Ben have much more to offer as QBs aside from stepping it up in the playoffs, which again was an opportunity afforded to them on multiple occassions due to their defenses and running games which Schaub has been able to work with for exactly 1 playoff run now.


Preaching the gospel.

I'm not a Schaub "fan," per se, but the idea that Flacco is somehow now elite and Schaub is now hopelessly inept is a total fiction. I get sick of listening to sports callers talk about the deep ball and mobility.

1. Ask any scout or former QB what the two most irrelevant parts of a QB's game are; EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM will tell you it's arm strength and mobility.

2. I wish people would quit talking like it was Schaub's fault that Jacoby was a failure here. Guess what - Jacoby did in Baltimore EXACTLY what he did in Houston as a receiver: virtually nothing save a great play every once in awhile. People pointing to Jacoby's play vs. Denver seem to have forgotten that Schaub did that exact thing to the Denver defense this season... THREE TIMES, including to Kevin Walter. Jacoby is a third WR and return specialist. He would not have improved our receiving corps in the slightest.

3. I think you're a bit off if you think Cameron's coaching was more akin to Kubiak's. Kubiak and Caldwell exhibit very similar tendencies as offensive signal callers. I think that, minus a deep ball here and there, Houston's offense has every last bit of the potential that Baltimore's showed.

4. If you don't think that Houston was a better team than Baltimore this year (this is directed at everyone), you're an idiot. Houston destroyed Baltimore and it wasn't even close. If you honestly think that Jones would've helped this receiving corps (or return game), you're foolish. If you'd rather have Pollard in this secondary than Quin and Manning, you're foolish. If you think any fullback in the past 30 years is worth a $9MM contract, you need to hire a personal accountant now because you're a fool with money.


Did we just kind of agree on something?


Eh, I agree with you more often than not. I just don't usually bother to respond to your posts specifically when I'm in accordance. You usually say all I could think to in those cases.
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Not trying to put words in anyone's mouth - so feel free to correct me if I am wrong (and sometimes I am) - but I thought AA was looking for someone who is pocket aware and with some bit of escapability. Because that what I was advocating.

Listen Schaub is EXCELLENT.. .EXCELLENT! when the play doesn't break down. However, it seems that when the play doesn't go exactly like it is drawn up, he gives up the ghost and looks like a deer in headlights.

I am not advocating that he has to be a runner or even mobile (BUT like I said before positive rushing yards would be a nice start), but he MUST be able to improvise on occassion. Otherwise teams will know that all they need to do to our offense is disrupt it and they can win.

There were plays last night that Flacco who is a STATUTE was able to make, just by keeping his head about him and finding an outlet. I do NOT think that Schaub makes those plays. Does that make him a terrible QB? Absolutely not. But it does make him an even bigger target and give opposing teams a playbook on how to defeat our offense.

Part of that is Koob's totalitarian control over the offense and part of that has to be on the QB.

So my point was & is, I thought AA (because I stand behind him on this) was advocating for a QB that has the ability to make a play if the designed play breaks down. Otherwise Schaub is going to have to become like Franken-QB (Peyton Manning) and just play on a different level when it comes to execution.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jch1911 wrote:
Not trying to put words in anyone's mouth - so feel free to correct me if I am wrong (and sometimes I am) - but I thought AA was looking for someone who is pocket aware and with some bit of escapability. Because that what I was advocating.

Listen Schaub is EXCELLENT.. .EXCELLENT! when the play doesn't break down. However, it seems that when the play doesn't go exactly like it is drawn up, he gives up the ghost and looks like a deer in headlights.

I am not advocating that he has to be a runner or even mobile (BUT like I said before positive rushing yards would be a nice start), but he MUST be able to improvise on occassion. Otherwise teams will know that all they need to do to our offense is disrupt it and they can win.

There were plays last night that Flacco who is a STATUTE was able to make, just by keeping his head about him and finding an outlet. I do NOT think that Schaub makes those plays. Does that make him a terrible QB? Absolutely not. But it does make him an even bigger target and give opposing teams a playbook on how to defeat our offense.

Part of that is Koob's totalitarian control over the offense and part of that has to be on the QB.

So my point was & is, I thought AA (because I stand behind him on this) was advocating for a QB that has the ability to make a play if the designed play breaks down. Otherwise Schaub is going to have to become like Franken-QB (Peyton Manning) and just play on a different level when it comes to execution.


Thank you and well said. Ive never said to get an RG3 or Mike Vick or Pat White, but a guy who can move in the pocket and throw on the run. We're on the cusp of a super bowl and our team needs to be held accountable, Schaub included. His limitations are starting to stall our offense.

AND Ive also stated that as much as I want a new qb there is no way to address it this off-season and IMPROVE the spot....we will live and die by Matt once again this season, unless he gets injured and Yates comes in to get a shot.
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