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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

God, Sylvester Williams uses his hands really well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRAchTitGx4

He has the size to clog the lanes, and the hands, pass rush, and motor to get to the QB. I almost want to say he could play anywhere along the line in a 3-4, at 320lbs. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaBoys wrote:
God, Sylvester Williams uses his hands really well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRAchTitGx4

He has the size to clog the lanes, and the hands, pass rush, and motor to get to the QB. I almost want to say he could play anywhere along the line in a 3-4, at 320lbs. Shocked


I think he'd be a great NT...

Jon Cooper in the 1st and the "Tweetie Bird Killer" in the 2nd...I'd be happy.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesse Williams I am not so impressed with. He doesn't get moved in the run game, and he has obvious strength. These things are good. He just doesn't seem near as active as Sylvester Williams. Also despite being smaller and reportedly agile, he doesn't seem any faster than John Jenkins, at 360lbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbMEu96hcE

Overall he seems to lack technique and motor, which should not be confused with heart. He was the NT of a top 10 rush defense though, which works in his favor. Something Sylvester Williams, and Jenkins can not say.

Right now I got: Jenkins>Sylester>Jesse Williams.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaBoys wrote:
Jesse Williams I am not so impressed with. He doesn't get moved in the run game, and he has obvious strength. These things are good. He just doesn't seem near as active as Sylvester Williams. Also despite being smaller and reportedly agile, he doesn't seem any faster than John Jenkins, at 360lbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbMEu96hcE

Overall he seems to lack technique and motor, which should not be confused with heart. He was on a top 10 rush defense though, which works in his favor. Something Sylvester Williams, and Jenkins can not say.

Right now I got: Jenkins>Sylester>Jesse Williams.


I honestly don't know why people like Jesse Williams. He isn't a great player. I have him as my 9th tackle. He doesn't do anything that makes me scream 2nd rounder. He looks like a 4th rounder to me
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DaBoys wrote:
Jesse Williams I am not so impressed with. He doesn't get moved in the run game, and he has obvious strength. These things are good. He just doesn't seem near as active as Sylvester Williams. Also despite being smaller and reportedly agile, he doesn't seem any faster than John Jenkins, at 360lbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbMEu96hcE

Overall he seems to lack technique and motor, which should not be confused with heart. He was the NT of a top 10 rush defense though, which works in his favor. Something Sylvester Williams, and Jenkins can not say.

Right now I got: Jenkins>Sylester>Jesse Williams.


DaBoys all of your comments regarding Jesse Williams are accurate. He also gets tired very easy. So I submit returning to the 4-3 and drafting Sheldon Richardson.

PS. Those other guys don't have linebackers like Bama.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't seem to figure out which safeties I like...

The draft seems pretty deep at safety.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the "it could happen" dept.

Austin ins due a lot of money and perceived to be underperforming.

Gregg Jennings is 1) unlikely to return to Green Bay, 2) coveted by Jason Garrett, and 3) well known by our WR coach.

Maybe we drop Austin and get Jennings? Not saying it's the right move, but it's not out of the realm of possibility
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To be clear, I think I'd rather restructure Austin and keep him. I like him, I like his chemistry with Romo. I think it'll be more cap friendly to keep him.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex Okafor anyone? He's absolutely killing Oregon St. 4.5 sacks so far.

Honestly, don't know much about him. Looks pretty damn quick though.
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Alex Okafor anyone? Is absolutely killing Oregon St. 4.5 sacks so far.

Honestly, don't know much about him. Looks pretty damn quick though.


He was projected to have a big year and go in the 1st round of the 2013 draft in the beginning of the year but his stock has dropped over the course of the season.

Needless to say, I think this performance will open a lot of eyes.
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DaBoys wrote:
Jesse Williams I am not so impressed with. He doesn't get moved in the run game, and he has obvious strength. These things are good. He just doesn't seem near as active as Sylvester Williams. Also despite being smaller and reportedly agile, he doesn't seem any faster than John Jenkins, at 360lbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbMEu96hcE

Overall he seems to lack technique and motor, which should not be confused with heart. He was on a top 10 rush defense though, which works in his favor. Something Sylvester Williams, and Jenkins can not say.

Right now I got: Jenkins>Sylester>Jesse Williams.


I honestly don't know why people like Jesse Williams. He isn't a great player. I have him as my 9th tackle. He doesn't do anything that makes me scream 2nd rounder. He looks like a 4th rounder to me

Don't need to do anything impressive but stop the run, look at the 'Bama defense without Williams that will show you his value.
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WizardHawk wrote:
Alex Okafor anyone? He's absolutely killing Oregon St. 4.5 sacks so far.

Honestly, don't know much about him. Looks pretty damn quick though.


The way I like to think about Okafor is that he is one of the safer picks in the draft. I think with Okafor, you are looking at a guy who can get 7-8 sacks, and play decent run defense. I don't think he will ever be a 13+ sack kind of guy, and he doesn't have the upside that a lot of pass rushers in this class have
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DaBoys wrote:
Jesse Williams I am not so impressed with. He doesn't get moved in the run game, and he has obvious strength. These things are good. He just doesn't seem near as active as Sylvester Williams. Also despite being smaller and reportedly agile, he doesn't seem any faster than John Jenkins, at 360lbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qbMEu96hcE

Overall he seems to lack technique and motor, which should not be confused with heart. He was on a top 10 rush defense though, which works in his favor. Something Sylvester Williams, and Jenkins can not say.

Right now I got: Jenkins>Sylester>Jesse Williams.


I honestly don't know why people like Jesse Williams. He isn't a great player. I have him as my 9th tackle. He doesn't do anything that makes me scream 2nd rounder. He looks like a 4th rounder to me

Don't need to do anything impressive but stop the run, look at the 'Bama defense without Williams that will show you his value.


I can get Brandon Williams to do that for me, and he would cost me a 5th or 6th rounder. The value isn't there for me. If I want to spend a 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd rounder on an interior lineman, I want more than a good run stuffer. Williams is a solid player, but he doesn't warrant first or second day consideration in my book
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Agreed Jesse is a 3rd day pick to me
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I'd be stunned if Williams is on the board to start rd 3.
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