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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is stupid early but for the 2014 draft I want us to trade our second round pick for a 2015 1st.

Use both ours and the other 2015 1st to get Jeff Driskel. ALL ABOARD CHOO CHOO!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
This is stupid early but for the 2014 draft I want us to trade our second round pick for a 2015 1st.

Use both ours and the other 2015 1st to get Jeff Driskel. ALL ABOARD CHOO CHOO!


Ewwww. 2014 draft is looking super deep.

Had a dream that we converted a 4-3 and drafted Clowney Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Had a dream that we converted a 4-3 and drafted Clowney Wink


Call me crazy, but if we undergo a coaching change again...I would love to see us switch back to a 4-3 defense.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Had a dream that we converted a 4-3 and drafted Clowney Wink


Call me crazy, but if we undergo a coaching change again...I would love to see us switch back to a 4-3 defense.


You aren't crazy. I think we could have a good personnel with Lee, Connor, and Carter.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Had a dream that we converted a 4-3 and drafted Clowney Wink


Call me crazy, but if we undergo a coaching change again...I would love to see us switch back to a 4-3 defense.


You aren't crazy. I think we could have a good personnel with Lee, Connor, and Carter.


Figuring out the DL would be interesting.
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Desperado82 wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Desperado82 wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Had a dream that we converted a 4-3 and drafted Clowney Wink


Call me crazy, but if we undergo a coaching change again...I would love to see us switch back to a 4-3 defense.


You aren't crazy. I think we could have a good personnel with Lee, Connor, and Carter.


Figuring out the DL would be interesting.


Well I never finished my dream. Somehow, we ended up with the 1st and 3rd overall picks in the draft. So we also drafted Stephon Tuitt. Then in the 2nd round, Anthony Johnson. There is a better chance that I win the lottery than that scenario playing out.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Desperado82 wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Desperado82 wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Had a dream that we converted a 4-3 and drafted Clowney Wink


Call me crazy, but if we undergo a coaching change again...I would love to see us switch back to a 4-3 defense.


You aren't crazy. I think we could have a good personnel with Lee, Connor, and Carter.


Figuring out the DL would be interesting.


Well I never finished my dream. Somehow, we ended up with the 1st and 3rd overall picks in the draft. So we also drafted Stephon Tuitt. Then in the 2nd round, Anthony Johnson. There is a better chance that I win the lottery than that scenario playing out.


So Clowney at end and Tuitt and Johnson in the middle....not bad
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clowney should be able to transition to OLB in the 3-4 system. I think actually that would be a better spot for him in the pros.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texas_OutLaw7 wrote:
This is stupid early but for the 2014 draft I want us to trade our second round pick for a 2015 1st.

Use both ours and the other 2015 1st to get Jeff Driskel. ALL ABOARD CHOO CHOO!


Totally OT: But you know when I see choo choo I always think back to being in Freeport in EQ and my cousin managing to train port 15 wraiths to the middle of Freeport in early EQ. And then there was chaos.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Clowney should be able to transition to OLB in the 3-4 system. I think actually that would be a better spot for him in the pros.


I honestly don't see Clowney being able to make a transition to the NFL with the way he's progressing. I just don't see the progress, why aren't the coaches hammering this guy.
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TheStarStillShines wrote:
Clowney should be able to transition to OLB in the 3-4 system. I think actually that would be a better spot for him in the pros.


I honestly don't see Clowney being able to make a transition to the NFL with the way he's progressing. I just don't see the progress, why aren't the coaches hammering this guy.


You don't think he can transition to the NFL in general? Or just as a 3-4 OLB? The production is clearly there. He had 8 sacks as a freshman and already has 6.5 sacks this year as a true sophomore. He explodes off the line and has more raw talent than anybody in recent memory. Just wait until he really develops moves and starts using his hands better. Remember, he is only a true sophomore, and was a running back until the end of his freshman year of high school.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Calvert28 wrote:
TheStarStillShines wrote:
Clowney should be able to transition to OLB in the 3-4 system. I think actually that would be a better spot for him in the pros.


I honestly don't see Clowney being able to make a transition to the NFL with the way he's progressing. I just don't see the progress, why aren't the coaches hammering this guy.


You don't think he can transition to the NFL in general? Or just as a 3-4 OLB? The production is clearly there. He had 8 sacks as a freshman and already has 6.5 sacks this year as a true sophomore. He explodes off the line and has more raw talent than anybody in recent memory. Just wait until he really develops moves and starts using his hands better. Remember, he is only a true sophomore, and was a running back until the end of his freshman year of high school.


Sure he has the talent to be a very high pick. But I am talking about game tape. He more so screams his own type of Lavar Arrington where he doesn't think he needs to fine tune his skills. And in today's NFL people like that are very heavily exploited, especially 34 OLB's who can't drop into coverage but are asked too. Freelance players on the front 7 don't really have a place anymore. And Clowney is more so is just asked to get to the QB instead of using him in different packages. That's great for college. But the NFL tackles are so savvy they will easily take Clowney out of the game if he can't handle different positions and assignments and such. And not developing good mechanics which I am not really seeing is gonna really screw him in the end. Think Taylor Mays.
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Calvert28 wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Calvert28 wrote:
TheStarStillShines wrote:
Clowney should be able to transition to OLB in the 3-4 system. I think actually that would be a better spot for him in the pros.


I honestly don't see Clowney being able to make a transition to the NFL with the way he's progressing. I just don't see the progress, why aren't the coaches hammering this guy.


You don't think he can transition to the NFL in general? Or just as a 3-4 OLB? The production is clearly there. He had 8 sacks as a freshman and already has 6.5 sacks this year as a true sophomore. He explodes off the line and has more raw talent than anybody in recent memory. Just wait until he really develops moves and starts using his hands better. Remember, he is only a true sophomore, and was a running back until the end of his freshman year of high school.


Sure he has the talent to be a very high pick. But I am talking about game tape. He more so screams his own type of Lavar Arrington where he doesn't think he needs to fine tune his skills. And in today's NFL people like that are very heavily exploited, especially 34 OLB's who can't drop into coverage but are asked too. Freelance players on the front 7 don't really have a place anymore. And Clowney is more so is just asked to get to the QB instead of using him in different packages. That's great for college. But the NFL tackles are so savvy they will easily take Clowney out of the game if he can't handle different positions and assignments and such. And not developing good mechanics which I am not really seeing is gonna really screw him in the end. Think Taylor Mays.


I think we are on the same page in regards to him strictly playing in a 4-3 defense. I was watching a little tape from him against Georgia, and there were times where he just flew by in between the tackle and guard. Doesn't matter what level you are on, you just weren't going to stop him.

But I am intrigued about his work ethic. I don't know too much about it to be honest. What have you heard that turns you off?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Calvert28 wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Calvert28 wrote:
TheStarStillShines wrote:
Clowney should be able to transition to OLB in the 3-4 system. I think actually that would be a better spot for him in the pros.


I honestly don't see Clowney being able to make a transition to the NFL with the way he's progressing. I just don't see the progress, why aren't the coaches hammering this guy.


You don't think he can transition to the NFL in general? Or just as a 3-4 OLB? The production is clearly there. He had 8 sacks as a freshman and already has 6.5 sacks this year as a true sophomore. He explodes off the line and has more raw talent than anybody in recent memory. Just wait until he really develops moves and starts using his hands better. Remember, he is only a true sophomore, and was a running back until the end of his freshman year of high school.


Sure he has the talent to be a very high pick. But I am talking about game tape. He more so screams his own type of Lavar Arrington where he doesn't think he needs to fine tune his skills. And in today's NFL people like that are very heavily exploited, especially 34 OLB's who can't drop into coverage but are asked too. Freelance players on the front 7 don't really have a place anymore. And Clowney is more so is just asked to get to the QB instead of using him in different packages. That's great for college. But the NFL tackles are so savvy they will easily take Clowney out of the game if he can't handle different positions and assignments and such. And not developing good mechanics which I am not really seeing is gonna really screw him in the end. Think Taylor Mays.


I think we are on the same page in regards to him strictly playing in a 4-3 defense. I was watching a little tape from him against Georgia, and there were times where he just flew by in between the tackle and guard. Doesn't matter what level you are on, you just weren't going to stop him.

But I am intrigued about his work ethic. I don't know too much about it to be honest. What have you heard that turns you off?


I remember quite a few pass rushing specialists that had that rare first step like Clowney that completely fizzed in the NFL because of lack of mechanics, no instincts, laziness, etc. Everrete Brown from Florida St. comes to mind when I said he would not succeed because of him strictly relying on two moves to get him by, among a few others I called and didn't call.

Rare ability promises nothing against the likes of the NFL.

And it's the game tape I am looking at. Just MPO personally, I don't see the angles being taken that should, running upright when he should be diving, etc and so forth. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have spent years turning my scouting into a passion, and I don't make a habit of being wrong when I see something.

But that doesn't always mean I'm right.
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Calvert28 wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Calvert28 wrote:
flyingmonkey30 wrote:
Calvert28 wrote:
TheStarStillShines wrote:
Clowney should be able to transition to OLB in the 3-4 system. I think actually that would be a better spot for him in the pros.


I honestly don't see Clowney being able to make a transition to the NFL with the way he's progressing. I just don't see the progress, why aren't the coaches hammering this guy.


You don't think he can transition to the NFL in general? Or just as a 3-4 OLB? The production is clearly there. He had 8 sacks as a freshman and already has 6.5 sacks this year as a true sophomore. He explodes off the line and has more raw talent than anybody in recent memory. Just wait until he really develops moves and starts using his hands better. Remember, he is only a true sophomore, and was a running back until the end of his freshman year of high school.


Sure he has the talent to be a very high pick. But I am talking about game tape. He more so screams his own type of Lavar Arrington where he doesn't think he needs to fine tune his skills. And in today's NFL people like that are very heavily exploited, especially 34 OLB's who can't drop into coverage but are asked too. Freelance players on the front 7 don't really have a place anymore. And Clowney is more so is just asked to get to the QB instead of using him in different packages. That's great for college. But the NFL tackles are so savvy they will easily take Clowney out of the game if he can't handle different positions and assignments and such. And not developing good mechanics which I am not really seeing is gonna really screw him in the end. Think Taylor Mays.


I think we are on the same page in regards to him strictly playing in a 4-3 defense. I was watching a little tape from him against Georgia, and there were times where he just flew by in between the tackle and guard. Doesn't matter what level you are on, you just weren't going to stop him.

But I am intrigued about his work ethic. I don't know too much about it to be honest. What have you heard that turns you off?


I remember quite a few pass rushing specialists that had that rare first step like Clowney that completely fizzed in the NFL because of lack of mechanics, no instincts, laziness, etc. Everrete Brown from Florida St. comes to mind when I said he would not succeed because of him strictly relying on two moves to get him by, among a few others I called and didn't call.

Rare ability promises nothing against the likes of the NFL.

And it's the game tape I am looking at. Just MPO personally, I don't see the angles being taken that should, running upright when he should be diving, etc and so forth. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have spent years turning my scouting into a passion, and I don't make a habit of being wrong when I see something.

But that doesn't always mean I'm right.


Yeah, I'm actually working on scouting myself. Love to do it. But anywho.

I don't know, he doesn't look lazy to me at all. I actually went back and just watched the first half of the Georgia game this year, and he was a stud. His swim move was nuts. When the tackle thought he was going outside, he went inside, and vice versa. He was all over Aaron Murray.
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