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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, since when is making a catch and taking two steps not possession?
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eggybucsfan31 wrote:
Also, since when is making a catch and taking two steps not possession?


Buck and Aikman were talking about Williams "not controlling the ball as he went to the ground" but that shouldn't matter because he had already made the catch and took two steps with clear possession. Unless the NFL made some rule change this off-season that I missed, we got screwed on that call.
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eggybucsfan31 wrote:
Who the hell is Brandon McDonald?

Lmao I thought the same thing
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No pass rushing DE's as I said all offseason, and ronde is a liability when a guy gets him one on one. The CB's are ying&yang. And where was Blount in the 4th with the lead?

Overall I'm proud this is definately a new team with HEART, we just got out classed by a better team. A gem we can take into next week.
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As I keep going over what happened what I noticed our def coordinator should have done was play more cover 2- cover 3 defense zone in the 2nd half. Te giants Wrs were excelling in 1-1 coverages and we negated that. Not saying it would have differed the end result but t would definately have begated those over te top big plays.

Overall yes we should have won. But if you asked me if this team can hang wit the elite teams of the nfl this early? I honestly couldn't tell you if I'd agree 100%. Schiano and staff are still learning and hopefully they learn the lesson of not sitting on a lead offensively bc the 3 and outs gassed our defense.
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Calibucsfan wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
The offense did do their job. They scored 27 points (against a NYG's defense, to boot). Free made some nice throws, the WRs made some amazing catches. We did move the ball a bit in the second half. We scored 10 points in the second half. That's not too bad, especially when we dropped 24 in the first half. We were a bit obvious when we ran but we did mix in some playaction. We did move the ball in the second half.

We gave up 28 points in the second half. That's the decisive stat. There's no way you do that and expect to win. That's it. Talib was toast. Barron showed his rookie status. McDonald showed why he was a late offseason pick up. There was no pass rush, even when we blitzed. None.

The defense blew it. There is no way around it. We appear to be an offensive team. I never thought I'd see the day.


The second half the offense had about 90 yards total right before the 2 min mark. They went 3 and out a lot or would get one 1st down and punt it

explain how it is exactly offense did their job. lets just see where we rank offensively on Tuesday(after all the teams have played)...bet we will be in mid 20's..


The offense did do there job. You continue to talk about offensive yardage stats. Let's see. Freeman put together 3 out of 5 drives in the first half for scores. Yes 2 were off TOs but we executed and scored on a Martin run and 41 yd air strike.

2nd half Sullivan sat on the lead. We didn't do anything special with the play calling after Benns 50 yd return.

Then after we blew the lead and Sullivan was forced to open it up, freeman and the offense responded and drove down the field rather quickly. That shows you they can score with will. They have explosive Wrs who can make plays. Sullivan needs to get them mOre involved because this can be a top 12 offense or better. We became to one dimensional with tr play calling. If we were more balanced who knows what could have happened. Hopefully Sullivan learns this.
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I had every intention of posting this last night, but honestly I was too heated to do it. That was as gut-wrenching a loss as I have seen. Being at the game only made it worse...

The replacement refs have had the spotlight on them since the preseason. I thought they did an okay job Week 1, but this game was awful. Missed calls were blown on both sides of the ball. Talib was holding/pass interfering Nicks most of the game and McCoy was getting bear hugged. I wish that was hyperbole, but I was sitting in the home end zone and I saw, on more than one occasion, the OG with his hands through McCoy's armpits grabbing onto his back. The amount of holding, again on both sides, in the interior of the trenches was embarrassing. The overall inconsistency was terrible too. Foster got called for a personal foul, and justifiably so, for his hit on Hixon, but Phillips didn't for his hit on Jackson. I could go on and on. It was ugly.

Our CB depth is awful. Gaitor and Biggers out is killing us. Eli absolutely torched our secondary. We only rotated 4 CBs all game and by the end of the game they were gassed. Wright getting hurt only made things worse. We'll see how they play when Gaitor and Biggers get back, but that was a disgusting showing. Talib especially got abused by a WR on one foot. I have never seen him get beat that badly since he has been in the NFL. EASILY his worst game as a pro. The secondary imploded in the 2nd half.

I don't know who calls the shots on the sideline in terms of tempo and gameplan so I don't know who to blame, but we are so conservative in short yardage situations late in ball games it makes me want to pull my hair out. Up two touchdowns with roughly 7 minutes to go we have a 3rd and 1 from midfield. I told every Giants fan around me that this was a guaranteed run. Sure enough Doug Martin takes the ball and he gets stuffed for a loss. The Giants overloaded the box. They expected this. Why can't we run a PA boot? Freeman is a threat on the move. Even if he just scrambles for a yard, we keep the ball, the clock keeps moving and we keep Eli off of the field. The predictability in short yardage situations early this season has really hurt us. This play, IMO, was the turning point in the game. The crowd got back into it and the defense fed off of them the rest of the half.

Mike Williams...you cannot drop that ball. You just can't. That was back-breaking. Maybe it should have been called a catch-fumble. I don't know what a catch is now-a-days, but don't even give the refs the option. Hold onto the damn football!

We seem to be awfully stubborn on offense. We need to spread it out more and stop running when it's becoming ineffective. Freeman was going up against a decimated secondary and he was having success deep with Jackson/Williams and on intermediate routes with Clark. I don't understand how he only threw the ball 28 times. That was a big mistake.

What the hell is this nonsense about Schiano being dirty? I got back home, turned on Sportscenter (bad mistake, I know) and they were already taking about Schiano and him being a poor sport. Are you kidding me? We were down a score and time was still on the clock. Are we supposed to just give up? What if this was the NFCCG? Better yet, the Superbowl? Should the team just give up if they still have a chance to win/tie? Give me a break. If the game was out of reach and frustration was boiling over, fine. I get it. But this? Come on. You have to line up for a play for a reason. The game isn't over.

Now that I got all of that bad stuff out of the way, there was some good things that I saw.

The OLine played very well, IMO. I expected more pressure on Freeman, but for the most part they kept him clean. This is one of the toughest fronts that we will face all year. It was a nice performance.

The Freeman-Jackson deep connection is going to be dangerous. Freeman's deep ball was great. Jackson on a 9 route, 1-on-1? I'll take that match-up any day of the week. He looks good.

Arrelious Benn sighting? Good. Give him some more chances on returns. That fumble on his first return might have been jitters since it was his first game back so I won't hold it against him. I have been a big supporter of him getting the ball in hands more and more. Special teams is a good place to start.

Mark Barron is going to be the leader of this defense for a long time. Quite honestly, I expect him to be voted as a team captain next year. As a rookie, he has clearly grasped the defense and he has become a playmaker. More than that though, you can see how much the coaching staff trusts him. Early in the 4th quarter the Giants were lined up for a play. Now I have no idea what Barron saw; 10 men on defense, an offensive formation that they weren't prepared for, I don't know. But, when he did notice it he immediately pointed to the sidelines and he started clapping his hands. Schiano then sprinted to the ref to call a timeout. I have never seen anything like that, especially from a rookie. I don't know if you guys could catch all of that from the camera angles that were shown on TV, but it was awesome to see. This pick is looking better and better.

As I was walking to the train to go home I bumped into Lavonte David and Anthony Gaitor. I was still wearing my Bucs gear and David told me thanks for the support. Really nice dude.

How we bounce back from this will tell us a lot about Schiano and how he is able to rally the team. We went toe to toe with the defending Superbowl champions and we should have left with a victory. Brutal way to lose a ball game.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though thats a very tough loss and we should have won that game, we still cant be down about it. We nearly upset the defending world champs on the road. I like the way that Schiano is coaching this team. Discipline and toughness is a great formula for success if you ask me. And as far as the controversy at the end of the game. I LOVE the fact that we did that. Bottom line the games not over! We fought the whole game so why should we give up until the clock hits 0? The Giants are sitting there boo hooing about the call, ITS FOOTBALL! Quit being a bunch of you know what. Anyways Im very excited to see what we do against Dallas next week. GO BUCS!!!
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Agreed with everything you said, DRD. These refs are not good. That MW was a catch, but you are right he cannot fumble that. I've loved what I have seen from Free, beautiful deep balls yesterday, threw some really accurate passes. Those interceptions are both easily correctable, but he cant let that happen. Needed to get out of the pocket/get rid of the ball a few more times. Hopefully we start sotting on leads and attack more, need more shotgun - Clark needs more PT, give Benn a shot. We realky need Biggers/Gaitor back ASAP.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
Calibucsfan wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
The offense did do their job. They scored 27 points (against a NYG's defense, to boot). Free made some nice throws, the WRs made some amazing catches. We did move the ball a bit in the second half. We scored 10 points in the second half. That's not too bad, especially when we dropped 24 in the first half. We were a bit obvious when we ran but we did mix in some playaction. We did move the ball in the second half.

We gave up 28 points in the second half. That's the decisive stat. There's no way you do that and expect to win. That's it. Talib was toast. Barron showed his rookie status. McDonald showed why he was a late offseason pick up. There was no pass rush, even when we blitzed. None.

The defense blew it. There is no way around it. We appear to be an offensive team. I never thought I'd see the day.


The second half the offense had about 90 yards total right before the 2 min mark. They went 3 and out a lot or would get one 1st down and punt it

explain how it is exactly offense did their job. lets just see where we rank offensively on Tuesday(after all the teams have played)...bet we will be in mid 20's..


The offense did do there job. You continue to talk about offensive yardage stats. Let's see. Freeman put together 3 out of 5 drives in the first half for scores. Yes 2 were off TOs but we executed and scored on a Martin run and 41 yd air strike.

2nd half Sullivan sat on the lead. We didn't do anything special with the play calling after Benns 50 yd return.

Then after we blew the lead and Sullivan was forced to open it up, freeman and the offense responded and drove down the field rather quickly. That shows you they can score with will. They have explosive Wrs who can make plays. Sullivan needs to get them mOre involved because this can be a top 12 offense or better. We became to one dimensional with tr play calling. If we were more balanced who knows what could have happened. Hopefully Sullivan learns this.

Dude, you're like a broken record

Offense blew it. You keep trying to say that we have the potential to be a great offense in this league. Thats fine that we have the potential, but the fact remains, in the Gaints game the offense blew it. If we would of just got at least 1 or 2 more first downs in the second half, we would of won straight up instead of

1st down:run and get 1 yard
2nd down: run and get 2 yards
3rd down: incomplete pass(despite having almost all day to throw at times)


Thats what almost the entire second half consisted off.

Thats great we have the potential to score, but in the Giants game we used none of it.
And quit saying its just Sullavain, he is the OFFENSIVE coordinator, he is part of the offense. Offense blew the game for us.
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Buccaneer4life wrote:
Even though thats a very tough loss and we should have won that game, we still cant be down about it. We nearly upset the defending world champs on the road. I like the way that Schiano is coaching this team. Discipline and toughness is a great formula for success if you ask me. And as far as the controversy at the end of the game. I LOVE the fact that we did that. Bottom line the games not over! We fought the whole game so why should we give up until the clock hits 0? The Giants are sitting there boo hooing about the call, ITS FOOTBALL! Quit being a bunch of you know what. Anyways Im very excited to see what we do against Dallas next week. GO BUCS!!!


The thing that happened at the end of the game was just frustration from the Bucs and coaching staff over blowing a 14 point lead.

It shows this team,unlike last years team cares.
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Calibucsfan wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
Calibucsfan wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
The offense did do their job. They scored 27 points (against a NYG's defense, to boot). Free made some nice throws, the WRs made some amazing catches. We did move the ball a bit in the second half. We scored 10 points in the second half. That's not too bad, especially when we dropped 24 in the first half. We were a bit obvious when we ran but we did mix in some playaction. We did move the ball in the second half.

We gave up 28 points in the second half. That's the decisive stat. There's no way you do that and expect to win. That's it. Talib was toast. Barron showed his rookie status. McDonald showed why he was a late offseason pick up. There was no pass rush, even when we blitzed. None.

The defense blew it. There is no way around it. We appear to be an offensive team. I never thought I'd see the day.


The second half the offense had about 90 yards total right before the 2 min mark. They went 3 and out a lot or would get one 1st down and punt it

explain how it is exactly offense did their job. lets just see where we rank offensively on Tuesday(after all the teams have played)...bet we will be in mid 20's..


The offense did do there job. You continue to talk about offensive yardage stats. Let's see. Freeman put together 3 out of 5 drives in the first half for scores. Yes 2 were off TOs but we executed and scored on a Martin run and 41 yd air strike.

2nd half Sullivan sat on the lead. We didn't do anything special with the play calling after Benns 50 yd return.

Then after we blew the lead and Sullivan was forced to open it up, freeman and the offense responded and drove down the field rather quickly. That shows you they can score with will. They have explosive Wrs who can make plays. Sullivan needs to get them mOre involved because this can be a top 12 offense or better. We became to one dimensional with tr play calling. If we were more balanced who knows what could have happened. Hopefully Sullivan learns this.

Dude, you're like a broken record

Offense blew it. You keep trying to say that we have the potential to be a great offense in this league. Thats fine that we have the potential, but the fact remains, in the Gaints game the offense blew it. If we would of just got at least 1 or 2 more first downs in the second half, we would of won straight up instead of

1st down:run and get 1 yard
2nd down: run and get 2 yards
3rd down: incomplete pass(despite having almost all day to throw at times)


Thats what almost the entire second half consisted off.

Thats great we have the potential to score, but in the Giants game we used none of it.
And quit saying its just Sullavain, he is the OFFENSIVE coordinator, he is part of the offense. Offense blew the game for us.


Cali ,

You finally interpreted what I've been saying. When you explain run run pass, they did that when we had a 14 point lead in the 3rd/4th qtr. when we didn't go conservative we moved the ball and scored.

It was the play calling. The execution was there. Sullivan wanted to run click 30 minutes too soon only up 2 scores. If he trusted the offense more Iwe win this game.
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56GiantPens66 wrote:
Buccaneer4life wrote:
Even though thats a very tough loss and we should have won that game, we still cant be down about it. We nearly upset the defending world champs on the road. I like the way that Schiano is coaching this team. Discipline and toughness is a great formula for success if you ask me. And as far as the controversy at the end of the game. I LOVE the fact that we did that. Bottom line the games not over! We fought the whole game so why should we give up until the clock hits 0? The Giants are sitting there boo hooing about the call, ITS FOOTBALL! Quit being a bunch of you know what. Anyways Im very excited to see what we do against Dallas next week. GO BUCS!!!


The thing that happened at the end of the game was just frustration from the Bucs and coaching staff over blowing a 14 point lead.

It shows this team,unlike last years team cares.


I see nothing wrong with the way the game ended...kudo`s to the Bucs for playing until the end ...something I wish my Cowboys would do more of...seems like we quit in the 3rd quarter yesterday...sigh.
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I don't believe Sullivan is overwhelmed being the OC, but I do believe he is still learning on the job. The 2 minute offense at the end of the first half was underwhelming, and I think he is developing a better feel for when to be aggressive in the second half.

Like DRD mentioned earlier, the 3rd and 1 at midfield was time to run the bootleg play with Freeman and give him a run/pass option. JPP just wasn't being blocked on the back side by Stocker through much of the game. That play was doomed before the start. Of course, it would have been a mute point if the face mask call on Martin was called earlier in the drive. Confused However, the officiating was abysmal for both sides, but the replacement refs need to go because the quality of the game is suffering.
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ziggy19 wrote:
56GiantPens66 wrote:
Buccaneer4life wrote:
Even though thats a very tough loss and we should have won that game, we still cant be down about it. We nearly upset the defending world champs on the road. I like the way that Schiano is coaching this team. Discipline and toughness is a great formula for success if you ask me. And as far as the controversy at the end of the game. I LOVE the fact that we did that. Bottom line the games not over! We fought the whole game so why should we give up until the clock hits 0? The Giants are sitting there boo hooing about the call, ITS FOOTBALL! Quit being a bunch of you know what. Anyways Im very excited to see what we do against Dallas next week. GO BUCS!!!


The thing that happened at the end of the game was just frustration from the Bucs and coaching staff over blowing a 14 point lead.

It shows this team,unlike last years team cares.


I see nothing wrong with the way the game ended...kudo`s to the Bucs for playing until the end ...something I wish my Cowboys would do more of...seems like we quit in the 3rd quarter yesterday...sigh.


All I was saying is I saw a team show frustration.Nothing wrong with showing emotion in a football game.
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