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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I (like a lot of you) would really like to see a 3-4 DE early in this draft. I haven't gotten to see a whole lot of CFB this year though, so I really only know about prospects that were good last year and don't know who has emerged or fallen off a bit. Who are the top prospects for us at DE coming into this years offseason?


That's a great question... and one that I have been spending some recent time trying to research. I am doing a mock and trying to find prospects most like Justin Smith... not an easy task and many draft sites are just not up to speed to help me cheat through the process.

Basically, I am converting our D to a 4-3 Under (I know, everyone will hate that idea, but too bad.. I love it, (and am willing to explain my thinking), so anyway... I am essentially looking for great Under Tackles that can hold their ground enough but also get some really good pass rush in 1 vs 1 situations.

So far, I am loving what I see of Sharrif Floyd from Florida... who is looking like a late 1st to mid 2nd round prospect. Another option is that Missouri DL Sheldon Richardson... who has great skills, but is rather dumb, from what I read. Ezekiel Ansah is another interesting guy, but seems rather light in the arse, and is probably a better 4-3 DE... where as LSU's Bennie Logan can get some rush, but is not a great pass rusher and heavier in the arse. Kawaan Short has the production, but looks like a slow NT hog-pig. Everett Dawkins is a mid/late possibility... not sold on him yet. I really like Cassius Marsh and Datone Jones from UCLA, but they both may be a bit too light... guess they could bulk up while developing... Justin was only 270-ish when we snatched him up.


I've been thinking a lot about Ziggy Ansah lately. Freak athlete and might have the frame to get up to around 285 without losing explosiveness. We could use him as an inside passrush specialist his first year or two while he gains strength and size. Combine those with his athleticism and he might just be a dominant 3-4 DE. Like you said, Justin was only 270ish when we signed him and Ray was only 270ish when he was drafted. If that doesn't work, then Ziggy could take over for Brooks at LOLB in a few years. Or...neither of those ideas work out and we waste an early draft pick. What the hell do I know!?!?!?!?

I've also been keeping an eye on Margus Hunt, another freak athlete. He has had a somewhat disappointing year, but he would be worth a mid round pick, despite being 25 years old already. Amazing athlete at 6'8'', 285 though. Definitely intrigued by him.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Important to remember that Justing was only 265-270 in college. If we find a guy in that range with the frame to bulk up we can think about adding those kind of guys to our DE prospect list
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Ezekiel Ansah is another interesting guy, but seems rather light in the arse, and is probably a better 4-3 DE


I've been thinking a lot about Ziggy Ansah lately. Freak athlete and might have the frame to get up to around 285 without losing explosiveness. We could use him as an inside passrush specialist his first year or two while he gains strength and size. Combine those with his athleticism and he might just be a dominant 3-4 DE. Like you said, Justin was only 270ish when we signed him and Ray was only 270ish when he was drafted. If that doesn't work, then Ziggy could take over for Brooks at LOLB in a few years. Or...neither of those ideas work out and we waste an early draft pick. What the hell do I know!?!?!?!?

I've also been keeping an eye on Margus Hunt, another freak athlete. He has had a somewhat disappointing year, but he would be worth a mid round pick, despite being 25 years old already. Amazing athlete at 6'8'', 285 though. Definitely intrigued by him.


Just finished watching more of Ansah, and am feeling better about him. He doesn't look quite as "light" as I remembered... thicker in his base than I thought. I could see him working out just fine as a 49er. Even if he doesn't bulk up, he has the athleticism to back up Aldon or Brooks early on and (as you said) replace Brooks in a few years as well as play inside on obvious 3rd and long pass situations.
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Important to remember that Justing was only 265-270 in college. If we find a guy in that range with the frame to bulk up we can think about adding those kind of guys to our DE prospect list


I have been tending not to look at 3-4 DE prospects that are below 270 lbs.. but yes, gotta remember these kids are just.. kids.. and can likely pack on the mass through the years.

If we wait till the mid rounds, then I'd be looking towards Cassius Marsh or Datone Jones from UCLA. Guess I said that already.. just like "chatting" about something not QB related... lolz.
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Not too many weaknesses on this squad. Then again, we seem to go BPA regardless of what we need. However, I think D-Line depth and Center are the only two areas that really stand out.

Johnny Simon would be a nice kid for us to look at. Definitely a 'tweener at roughly 6'3ish 265-270ish, but he's an OUTSTANDING football player. Will probably be a late 1st rounder when it's all said and done.


Yet another guy I really starting liking late in the year. Too bad he missed that last game with some kind of injury. He has experience at LB and can rush the passer well.. high energy guy that I'd be fine with us using our 2nd or early 3rd on.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ra'shede Hageman.

That guy could be a great middle round project. He switched from TE to DL two years ago. He's now 6'6" 301lbs. He faces a lot of double-teams, has the size, good athleticism. If his head is screwed on right, we could bring him in slowly. He's a redshirt junior and he has talked about joining this year's draft. That's a name we should keep an eye on, maybe.
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i would like to get Xavier Rhodes,Ezekiel Ansah,and Margus Hunt in that order,I love all there potential.
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oldman9er wrote:
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Important to remember that Justing was only 265-270 in college. If we find a guy in that range with the frame to bulk up we can think about adding those kind of guys to our DE prospect list


I have been tending not to look at 3-4 DE prospects that are below 270 lbs.. but yes, gotta remember these kids are just.. kids.. and can likely pack on the mass through the years.

If we wait till the mid rounds, then I'd be looking towards Cassius Marsh or Datone Jones from UCLA. Guess I said that already.. just like "chatting" about something not QB related... lolz.


It's always hard to tell who the good prospects are this early. But, sadly, it is looking like a bad year for "Justin Smith" types.
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big9erfan wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
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Important to remember that Justing was only 265-270 in college. If we find a guy in that range with the frame to bulk up we can think about adding those kind of guys to our DE prospect list


I have been tending not to look at 3-4 DE prospects that are below 270 lbs.. but yes, gotta remember these kids are just.. kids.. and can likely pack on the mass through the years.

If we wait till the mid rounds, then I'd be looking towards Cassius Marsh or Datone Jones from UCLA. Guess I said that already.. just like "chatting" about something not QB related... lolz.


It's always hard to tell who the good prospects are this early. But, sadly, it is looking like a bad year for "Justin Smith" types.


Anyone looking at Sheldon Richardson from Missouri at all? We're having luck with Missou linemen, and this is another high-motor guy. 6'4" 295...Right now it doesn't look like he'd be available when we pick, but guys fall frequently.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

y2lamanaki wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
Important to remember that Justing was only 265-270 in college. If we find a guy in that range with the frame to bulk up we can think about adding those kind of guys to our DE prospect list


I have been tending not to look at 3-4 DE prospects that are below 270 lbs.. but yes, gotta remember these kids are just.. kids.. and can likely pack on the mass through the years.

If we wait till the mid rounds, then I'd be looking towards Cassius Marsh or Datone Jones from UCLA. Guess I said that already.. just like "chatting" about something not QB related... lolz.


It's always hard to tell who the good prospects are this early. But, sadly, it is looking like a bad year for "Justin Smith" types.


Anyone looking at Sheldon Richardson from Missouri at all? We're having luck with Missou linemen, and this is another high-motor guy. 6'4" 295...Right now it doesn't look like he'd be available when we pick, but guys fall frequently.



I didn't know he was from Missouri (haven't been following closely). That pretty much seals the deal, right there. The Missouri connection!!
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y2lamanaki wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
big9erfan wrote:
Important to remember that Justing was only 265-270 in college. If we find a guy in that range with the frame to bulk up we can think about adding those kind of guys to our DE prospect list


I have been tending not to look at 3-4 DE prospects that are below 270 lbs.. but yes, gotta remember these kids are just.. kids.. and can likely pack on the mass through the years.

If we wait till the mid rounds, then I'd be looking towards Cassius Marsh or Datone Jones from UCLA. Guess I said that already.. just like "chatting" about something not QB related... lolz.


It's always hard to tell who the good prospects are this early. But, sadly, it is looking like a bad year for "Justin Smith" types.


Anyone looking at Sheldon Richardson from Missouri at all? We're having luck with Missou linemen, and this is another high-motor guy. 6'4" 295...Right now it doesn't look like he'd be available when we pick, but guys fall frequently.


I haven't been following prospects too closely, but how can we go wrong with another defensive guy from Missou!
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^ yep.. Richardson was mentioned on page 5, and his talents definitely should be coveted by a team looking for a Justin Smith type. Richardson is said to be... not so bright... and possibly lazy as far as academics... but his anchor and pass rush alone should get lots of looks from scouts. Don't care if he isn't the brightest bulb, if he can play well on the field.
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Should be a fun rematch game on tonight between UCLA and Stanford. Lots of prospects that we could be interested in.

Stanford's Chase Thomas.. Zach Ertz.. Levine Toilolo... Shane Skov...

UCLA's Joe Fauria.. Datone Jones.. Cassius Marsh.. Sheldon Price..

Stanford's power-run game and costly turnovers overwhelmed UCLA in their last meeting. Gonna enjoy seeing how they fair tonight. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldman9er wrote:
Should be a fun rematch game on tonight between UCLA and Stanford. Lots of prospects that we could be interested in.

Stanford's Chase Thomas.. Zach Ertz.. Levine Toilolo... Shane Skov...

UCLA's Joe Fauria.. Datone Jones.. Cassius Marsh.. Sheldon Price..

Stanford's power-run game and costly turnovers overwhelmed UCLA in their last meeting. Gonna enjoy seeing how they fair tonight. Smile


Absolutely love the two in bold...Fauria is intriguing, don't know anything about the other Bruins...
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Chrissooner49er wrote:
oldman9er wrote:
Should be a fun rematch game on tonight between UCLA and Stanford. Lots of prospects that we could be interested in.

Stanford's Chase Thomas.. Zach Ertz.. Levine Toilolo... Shane Skov...

UCLA's Joe Fauria.. Datone Jones.. Cassius Marsh.. Sheldon Price..

Stanford's power-run game and costly turnovers overwhelmed UCLA in their last meeting. Gonna enjoy seeing how they fair tonight. Smile


Absolutely love the two in bold...Fauria is intriguing, don't know anything about the other Bruins...


Same here, regarding Thomas and Ertz.

Fauria shows great hands and red zone threat. Makes the tough catches over the middle.. looks real thin to me.. haven't really focused on his blocking.

Jones and Marsh are both DE/DT possibilities in the 270-280 lb range... but Jones seems to bring more power and disengaging ability.. Both pretty quick and can get to the QB from inside or out. Marsh needs to add bulk, but holds the point on single blocks rather well at the college level.
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