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 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject: Streater vs Criner: Who has the brighter future? |
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Simple question. Between these 2 Raiders rookies, who are you most optimistic for?
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Both have fairly bright futures with their good hands. I'm going with Streater with all that happened with him going undrafted and coming from a bad college offense and work his butt off and make a quick impression and now possibly start the season opener. Plus the guy is fast. Sky's the limit.
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IMO I think Streater. He had terrible QB play in college so nobody really had a good idea of just how good he is.
From preseason alone, it's obvious he has great hands and can be a go to guy when we need a first down.
Criner has a lot of potential too, but I think Streater will just be more consistent.
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I don't see too much in Rod Streater right now. I'm pleased that he produced during the pre-season, but I don't think he brings much to the offense. Since almost all of his receptions came on short routes, you would have expected for him to showcase some talent running after the catch, but his thin frame holds him back. I also don't trust his hands, since I saw him bobble quite a few easy receptions. His route running looks robotic so far. He reminds me a lot of Louis Murphy without his talent as a deep threat. I still like Streater's potential to get better and I think he will, but it's only potential at this point, as I think he's still fairly raw.
With Juron Criner, I see a player who plays confidently, with great size, good strength, soft hands, good route running, elite skill as a deep threat for a rookie, and good YAC ability. I know he dropped a few easy ones during pre-season, but having watched him dominate at Arizona, his hands are definitely a strength. His hands, body control, jump ball skills, and ability to make circus catches give him the chance to be a great deep threat for the Raiders in the future. His 2 long TD's against the Lions (backups I know) are what you can expect out of him when he's matched up one on one with a CB down the field. As the season goes on, I expect to see him showcase his talent doing this quite a bit.
I like both, especially where we got them, but I see a way brighter future with Criner.
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| Darkness wrote: | I don't see too much in Rod Streater right now. I'm pleased that he produced during the pre-season, but I don't think he brings much to the offense. Since almost all of his receptions came on short routes, you would have expected for him to showcase some talent running after the catch, but his thin frame holds him back. I also don't trust his hands, since I saw him bobble quite a few easy receptions. His route running looks robotic so far. He reminds me a lot of Louis Murphy without his talent as a deep threat. I still like Streater's potential to get better and I think he will, but it's only potential at this point, as I think he's still fairly raw.
With Juron Criner, I see a player who plays confidently, with great size, good strength, soft hands, good route running, elite skill as a deep threat for a rookie, and good YAC ability. I know he dropped a few easy ones during pre-season, but having watched him dominate at Arizona, his hands are definitely a strength. His hands, body control, jump ball skills, and ability to make circus catches give him the chance to be a great deep threat for the Raiders in the future. His 2 long TD's against the Lions (backups I know) are what you can expect out of him when he's matched up one on one with a CB down the field. As the season goes on, I expect to see him showcase his talent doing this quite a bit.
I like both, especially where we got them, but I see a way brighter future with Criner. |
Your assessment of both players isn't suprising to me. You have a soft spot for big play guys. Criner has it in him, Streater is the move the chains guy. It's basically the same opinion you have about DHB and Ford.
I personnaly trust Streater to become a better player because consistency is more important than flashy plays to me.
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| oakdb36 wrote: | | Darkness wrote: | I don't see too much in Rod Streater right now. I'm pleased that he produced during the pre-season, but I don't think he brings much to the offense. Since almost all of his receptions came on short routes, you would have expected for him to showcase some talent running after the catch, but his thin frame holds him back. I also don't trust his hands, since I saw him bobble quite a few easy receptions. His route running looks robotic so far. He reminds me a lot of Louis Murphy without his talent as a deep threat. I still like Streater's potential to get better and I think he will, but it's only potential at this point, as I think he's still fairly raw.
With Juron Criner, I see a player who plays confidently, with great size, good strength, soft hands, good route running, elite skill as a deep threat for a rookie, and good YAC ability. I know he dropped a few easy ones during pre-season, but having watched him dominate at Arizona, his hands are definitely a strength. His hands, body control, jump ball skills, and ability to make circus catches give him the chance to be a great deep threat for the Raiders in the future. His 2 long TD's against the Lions (backups I know) are what you can expect out of him when he's matched up one on one with a CB down the field. As the season goes on, I expect to see him showcase his talent doing this quite a bit.
I like both, especially where we got them, but I see a way brighter future with Criner. |
Your assessment of both players isn't suprising to me. You have a soft spot for big play guys. Criner has it in him, Streater is the move the chains guy. It's basically the same opinion you have about DHB and Ford.
I personnaly trust Streater to become a better player because consistency is more important than flashy plays to me. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcesi2IDxy8
Streater can make big plays. We've had him in the slot the majority of preseason.
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| oakdb36 wrote: | | Darkness wrote: | I don't see too much in Rod Streater right now. I'm pleased that he produced during the pre-season, but I don't think he brings much to the offense. Since almost all of his receptions came on short routes, you would have expected for him to showcase some talent running after the catch, but his thin frame holds him back. I also don't trust his hands, since I saw him bobble quite a few easy receptions. His route running looks robotic so far. He reminds me a lot of Louis Murphy without his talent as a deep threat. I still like Streater's potential to get better and I think he will, but it's only potential at this point, as I think he's still fairly raw.
With Juron Criner, I see a player who plays confidently, with great size, good strength, soft hands, good route running, elite skill as a deep threat for a rookie, and good YAC ability. I know he dropped a few easy ones during pre-season, but having watched him dominate at Arizona, his hands are definitely a strength. His hands, body control, jump ball skills, and ability to make circus catches give him the chance to be a great deep threat for the Raiders in the future. His 2 long TD's against the Lions (backups I know) are what you can expect out of him when he's matched up one on one with a CB down the field. As the season goes on, I expect to see him showcase his talent doing this quite a bit.
I like both, especially where we got them, but I see a way brighter future with Criner. |
Your assessment of both players isn't suprising to me. You have a soft spot for big play guys. Criner has it in him, Streater is the move the chains guy. It's basically the same opinion you have about DHB and Ford.
I personnaly trust Streater to become a better player because consistency is more important than flashy plays to me. |
My evaluation of Criner comes from what I saw from him coming out of Arizona. He has the production and talent to show that he was more then just a big play threat, considering he was their best possession WR as well. If you think Streater's better at moving the chains because of one pre-season, you're deeply mistaken. Criner's polished route running, soft hands, body control, size/strength, and concentration make him better at any role you want to put him in.
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| dante9876 wrote: | | oakdb36 wrote: | | Darkness wrote: | I don't see too much in Rod Streater right now. I'm pleased that he produced during the pre-season, but I don't think he brings much to the offense. Since almost all of his receptions came on short routes, you would have expected for him to showcase some talent running after the catch, but his thin frame holds him back. I also don't trust his hands, since I saw him bobble quite a few easy receptions. His route running looks robotic so far. He reminds me a lot of Louis Murphy without his talent as a deep threat. I still like Streater's potential to get better and I think he will, but it's only potential at this point, as I think he's still fairly raw.
With Juron Criner, I see a player who plays confidently, with great size, good strength, soft hands, good route running, elite skill as a deep threat for a rookie, and good YAC ability. I know he dropped a few easy ones during pre-season, but having watched him dominate at Arizona, his hands are definitely a strength. His hands, body control, jump ball skills, and ability to make circus catches give him the chance to be a great deep threat for the Raiders in the future. His 2 long TD's against the Lions (backups I know) are what you can expect out of him when he's matched up one on one with a CB down the field. As the season goes on, I expect to see him showcase his talent doing this quite a bit.
I like both, especially where we got them, but I see a way brighter future with Criner. |
Your assessment of both players isn't suprising to me. You have a soft spot for big play guys. Criner has it in him, Streater is the move the chains guy. It's basically the same opinion you have about DHB and Ford.
I personnaly trust Streater to become a better player because consistency is more important than flashy plays to me. |
agreed |
I'm guessing you didn't watch Criner ball out at Arizona if you're going to bring up his consistency and ability to move the chains.
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Streater this season, Criner next +.
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| Darkness wrote: | | oakdb36 wrote: | | Darkness wrote: | I don't see too much in Rod Streater right now. I'm pleased that he produced during the pre-season, but I don't think he brings much to the offense. Since almost all of his receptions came on short routes, you would have expected for him to showcase some talent running after the catch, but his thin frame holds him back. I also don't trust his hands, since I saw him bobble quite a few easy receptions. His route running looks robotic so far. He reminds me a lot of Louis Murphy without his talent as a deep threat. I still like Streater's potential to get better and I think he will, but it's only potential at this point, as I think he's still fairly raw.
With Juron Criner, I see a player who plays confidently, with great size, good strength, soft hands, good route running, elite skill as a deep threat for a rookie, and good YAC ability. I know he dropped a few easy ones during pre-season, but having watched him dominate at Arizona, his hands are definitely a strength. His hands, body control, jump ball skills, and ability to make circus catches give him the chance to be a great deep threat for the Raiders in the future. His 2 long TD's against the Lions (backups I know) are what you can expect out of him when he's matched up one on one with a CB down the field. As the season goes on, I expect to see him showcase his talent doing this quite a bit.
I like both, especially where we got them, but I see a way brighter future with Criner. |
Your assessment of both players isn't suprising to me. You have a soft spot for big play guys. Criner has it in him, Streater is the move the chains guy. It's basically the same opinion you have about DHB and Ford.
I personnaly trust Streater to become a better player because consistency is more important than flashy plays to me. |
My evaluation of Criner comes from what I saw from him coming out of Arizona. He has the production and talent to show that he was more then just a big play threat, considering he was their best possession WR as well. If you think Streater's better at moving the chains because of one pre-season, you're deeply mistaken. Criner's polished route running, soft hands, body control, size/strength, and concentration make him better at any role you want to put him in. |
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Criner can do it all and really isn't a "flashy" player. I mean, he has big play ability but he is more of a consistent chain mover and great redzone target than anything. I see a bright future for both young men, but I believe Criner will be better.
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| dante9876 wrote: | | oakdb36 wrote: | | Darkness wrote: | I don't see too much in Rod Streater right now. I'm pleased that he produced during the pre-season, but I don't think he brings much to the offense. Since almost all of his receptions came on short routes, you would have expected for him to showcase some talent running after the catch, but his thin frame holds him back. I also don't trust his hands, since I saw him bobble quite a few easy receptions. His route running looks robotic so far. He reminds me a lot of Louis Murphy without his talent as a deep threat. I still like Streater's potential to get better and I think he will, but it's only potential at this point, as I think he's still fairly raw.
With Juron Criner, I see a player who plays confidently, with great size, good strength, soft hands, good route running, elite skill as a deep threat for a rookie, and good YAC ability. I know he dropped a few easy ones during pre-season, but having watched him dominate at Arizona, his hands are definitely a strength. His hands, body control, jump ball skills, and ability to make circus catches give him the chance to be a great deep threat for the Raiders in the future. His 2 long TD's against the Lions (backups I know) are what you can expect out of him when he's matched up one on one with a CB down the field. As the season goes on, I expect to see him showcase his talent doing this quite a bit.
I like both, especially where we got them, but I see a way brighter future with Criner. |
Your assessment of both players isn't suprising to me. You have a soft spot for big play guys. Criner has it in him, Streater is the move the chains guy. It's basically the same opinion you have about DHB and Ford.
I personnaly trust Streater to become a better player because consistency is more important than flashy plays to me. |
agreed |
How is Criner not a possession guy? Speed isn't necessarily his strength, he's a possession, move the chains guy with the ability to make big plays and win jump balls etc. I wouldn't make quick judgments based on the pre season.
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Put potential, skills, talents and abilities aside.
The brighter future belongs to the one that executes.
All star players take everything they do or don't have going for them and bring it to the field, every day, every year. Execution. Which one will? Who knows... |
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How is Criner not a possession guy? Speed isn't necessarily his strength, he's a possession, move the chains guy with the ability to make big plays and win jump balls etc. I wouldn't make quick judgments based on the pre season. |
He might be but the best basis for comparison between those 2 is the 4 games they've been playing in the same scheme and against "NFL talent". It's a small sample but a bit more telling than what they did at the college level. So far, Streater has looked like a better possession guy. Criner has shown the ability to come down with great catches. Consistency goes to Streater. There's nothing definitive about this assessment, just have to go off the little we've seen of them.
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| oakdb36 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: |
How is Criner not a possession guy? Speed isn't necessarily his strength, he's a possession, move the chains guy with the ability to make big plays and win jump balls etc. I wouldn't make quick judgments based on the pre season. |
He might be but the best basis for comparison between those 2 is the 4 games they've been playing in the same scheme and against "NFL talent". It's a small sample but a bit more telling than what they did at the college level. So far, Streater has looked like a better possession guy. Criner has shown the ability to come down with great catches. Consistency goes to Streater. There's nothing definitive about this assessment, just have to go off the little we've seen of them. |
This is an opinion based question off of who you think has the brighter future. If the preseason is really the deciding factor for you, you can't blame others for not taking that stance.
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