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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
At the time it felt like no one agreed with me on that.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
At the time it felt like no one agreed with me on that.


Well as the old adage goes, hindsight is 20/20 Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SaveourSonics wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
At the time it felt like no one agreed with me on that.


Well as the old adage goes, hindsight is 20/20 Laughing


we keep him this year and then let him walk or trade next year to resign some of those guys we love so much Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
At the time it felt like no one agreed with me on that.


The problem for me was that there was no player on this team to replace him with and the roster was too incomplete to let him go.

Based on the pure Elephant 4-3 Under D, the pass rush should be coming from the SLB position anyway. Hopefully Cliff Avril can contribute from the LB position.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tooki wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
At the time it felt like no one agreed with me on that.



The problem for me was that there was no player on this team to replace him with and the roster was too incomplete to let him go.

Based on the pure Elephant 4-3 Under D, the pass rush should be coming from the SLB position anyway. Hopefully Cliff Avril can contribute from the LB position.


God NO! Avril is 100% hand in the dirt DE. I think he takes over for Clemons. I don't want to see him at LB. LB is something we can address early in the draft.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avril played as a rush LB in college from the 2-point stance and the coaching staff has already said they're going to use him at LB in some blitz packages, so...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigjoe0075 wrote:
Tooki wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
At the time it felt like no one agreed with me on that.



The problem for me was that there was no player on this team to replace him with and the roster was too incomplete to let him go.

Based on the pure Elephant 4-3 Under D, the pass rush should be coming from the SLB position anyway. Hopefully Cliff Avril can contribute from the LB position.


God NO! Avril is 100% hand in the dirt DE. I think he takes over for Clemons. I don't want to see him at LB. LB is something we can address early in the draft.


My point was what SoS brought up. Pete has said that Cliff will take some reps at SLB (presumably to rush the passer.) He is definitely athletic enough to manage that role.

I expect Pete to emphasis versatility and try to fool defenses by lining up players all over the field.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigjoe0075 wrote:
Tooki wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
At the time it felt like no one agreed with me on that.



The problem for me was that there was no player on this team to replace him with and the roster was too incomplete to let him go.

Based on the pure Elephant 4-3 Under D, the pass rush should be coming from the SLB position anyway. Hopefully Cliff Avril can contribute from the LB position.


God NO! Avril is 100% hand in the dirt DE. I think he takes over for Clemons. I don't want to see him at LB. LB is something we can address early in the draft.
Avril played LB his first two years in college. Then was a hybrid player his third year. Should he play primarily at SLB? Hell no. But he'd be a good 3-4 OLB, and he could succeed occasionally as a SLB in our scheme. Same with Bruce if he was smart enough.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tatupu_64 wrote:
Bigjoe0075 wrote:
Tooki wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
At the time it felt like no one agreed with me on that.



The problem for me was that there was no player on this team to replace him with and the roster was too incomplete to let him go.

Based on the pure Elephant 4-3 Under D, the pass rush should be coming from the SLB position anyway. Hopefully Cliff Avril can contribute from the LB position.


God NO! Avril is 100% hand in the dirt DE. I think he takes over for Clemons. I don't want to see him at LB. LB is something we can address early in the draft.
Avril played LB his first two years in college. Then was a hybrid player his third year. Should he play primarily at SLB? Hell no. But he'd be a good 3-4 OLB, and he could succeed occasionally as a SLB in our scheme. Same with Bruce if he was smart enough.


i think he is going to be exactly what clem was/is.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dools=hawks wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
Bigjoe0075 wrote:
Tooki wrote:
Tatupu_64 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Sacks98 wrote:
I think we should give Bryant one more full season before judging i think he played on turf toe for most of the season.


That he did. Were you pleased with his pass rush the year before that? I know I wasn't. I think it's fair to judge Red right now. When healthy, he's one of the best run defenders in the entire league, but he offers NOTHING as a pass rusher. Literally nothing. If he's in on passing downs, we're essentially playing 10 vs 11.


No but Caroll signed him knowing he wasn't going to put up sacks he never has he is to slow at 323 pounds.


Best point brought up so far. Don't know how to answer that. Personally feel we should have let him walk.
At the time it felt like no one agreed with me on that.



The problem for me was that there was no player on this team to replace him with and the roster was too incomplete to let him go.

Based on the pure Elephant 4-3 Under D, the pass rush should be coming from the SLB position anyway. Hopefully Cliff Avril can contribute from the LB position.


God NO! Avril is 100% hand in the dirt DE. I think he takes over for Clemons. I don't want to see him at LB. LB is something we can address early in the draft.
Avril played LB his first two years in college. Then was a hybrid player his third year. Should he play primarily at SLB? Hell no. But he'd be a good 3-4 OLB, and he could succeed occasionally as a SLB in our scheme. Same with Bruce if he was smart enough.


i think he is going to be exactly what clem was/is.


Pete has already dropped Cliff's name and "playing some SLB" in the same sentence.

On passing downs having

Wright Wagner Avril

Clem Bennet Irvin

Makes alot of sense and obviously Avril will be blitzing almost every time hes on the field as a LB.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i think he is going to be exactly what clem was/is.


What part of "Pete already said we're using Avril situationally at LB" isn't clicking with people? Laughing
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SaveourSonics wrote:
Dools=hawks wrote:
i think he is going to be exactly what clem was/is.


What part of "Pete already said we're using Avril situationally at LB" isn't clicking with people? :lol:


But But But... He's a DE!!!!

Seriously - I like having Avril be a pass rusher who stands up. Not sure how much Linebacker he'll be playing just like DeMarcus Ware is technically a LB but really he's a DE 98% of the time. I'm really excited to see what the defense looks like once everyone's healthy and we can have all those pass rushers. Is Bennett going to be putting on weight if he's playing more interior than he has since he's come in the to league or is he staying at 274? It's not too light for a DT but it'll make him one of the smaller ones. I imagine we'll rotate him lots to keep him fresh at that weight.
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SwiftTexan wrote:
SaveourSonics wrote:
Dools=hawks wrote:
i think he is going to be exactly what clem was/is.


What part of "Pete already said we're using Avril situationally at LB" isn't clicking with people? Laughing


But But But... He's a DE!!!!

Seriously - I like having Avril be a pass rusher who stands up. Not sure how much Linebacker he'll be playing just like DeMarcus Ware is technically a LB but really he's a DE 98% of the time. I'm really excited to see what the defense looks like once everyone's healthy and we can have all those pass rushers. Is Bennett going to be putting on weight if he's playing more interior than he has since he's come in the to league or is he staying at 274? It's not too light for a DT but it'll make him one of the smaller ones. I imagine we'll rotate him lots to keep him fresh at that weight.


Avril is definitely athletic enough to play as a stand-up rusher.

I'm unsure about Michael Bennett and I have heard nothing going either way. I imagine that he will play at his current weight, because he weighs about the same as Jason Jones did last season.
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