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milanb


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To each his own, but I think those are pretty big problems...and I think they solve more problems than that.

I personally think using petroleum based fuel for vehicles in the first place was a bigger scam, because there could have electric-based vehicles 75 years ago. But, this is a football site, so I won't go further into that. Laughing


Here's the problem though: it's not clear that electric cars are going to make us any less reliant on fossil fuels and there is a very good chance that they will make things worse.

The electricity you need to charge these vehicles needs to come from somewhere and right now that means burning more oil, coal or natural gas.

Yes, electric motors by themselves are cleaner and more energy-efficient than internal combustion engines, but that ignores the fact that to get the power to the rear (or front) wheels you will need to:

  1. generate the electrical power at the power plant
  2. convert the electrical power to a voltage and type suitable for transmission (usually high voltage AC, although some utilities use DC for long-range transmission)
  3. transmit the power for (possibly) hundreds of miles to get it to your local transformer station
  4. step down the voltage for household use
  5. step down the voltage again and convert to DC so you can charge the battery
  6. store the energy in your battery


The first step almost certainly involves burning of fossil fuels, or doing something equally harmful like damming more rivers or building more nuclear power plants.

All of these steps involve significant energy losses.

Then there's the problem of the batteries themselves (whether lithium or lead-acid) being significant environmental hazards.

It's not that I am a huge fan of internal combustion engines. It's more a case of electric cars not providing the environmental free lunch that people seem to think we're getting.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Clancy, prolific author of military thrillers that turned into box office gold with movies such as "The Hunt for Red October" and "Clear and Present Danger," has died on Oct. 1 at the age of 66 in Baltimore, Md., his publisher Penguin Group confirmed in a statement Wednesday morning.

http://www.today.com/news/author-tom-clancy-dies-66-8C11319715


a Vikings fan, i believe.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was also the leader of the proposed group to purchase the Vikings from Red, but it fell through and the Fowler group (now led by Zygi) then took over and purchased them.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my friend found a foursome of tickets for the vikings packers game at the Dome for like 250 each, lower endzone, i think row 24.

should i do it?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disaacs wrote:
He was also the leader of the proposed group to purchase the Vikings from Red, but it fell through and the Fowler group (now led by Zygi) then took over and purchased them.


I found out later that I had the timeframe wrong...it was actually when Red purchased the team, not Zygi. The times all run together, apparently. Shocked Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though I hadn't realized it was even on, until my wife was flipping through the channels, but that League of Denial documentary was....I don't know if amazing is the right word, but extremely well-done. It does, in fact, make the NFL look like the Tobacco companies.

It won't change anything dramatically, because people will still be willing to take the risk that comes with playing the sport. It does, however, shed a whole new light, for me anyway, on the actual sophistication of the NFL's PR machine. I knew it was bad, but it's grotesque as to how steadfast they were in trying to maintain the "nobility" of their game, even when there were facts that showed there might be a problem. It makes me wonder what other things they are hiding.

The most neglected aspect of the documentary, despite it being extremely damaging to the NFL's image, is the NFLPA's culpability in all of this as well. They are just as accountable, if not more so, than the NFL itself. It's their job to take care of their members. They have largely failed to do so.
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Went out to lunch today and there was a drink on the menu called the "Uncle Buck". Laughing

Rebel Yell bourbon, Fernet Branca, Ginger Beer, and Lime.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened to Kellerman?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What happened to Kellerman?


Nothing much, just really busy.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kellerman wrote:
El Raymundo wrote:
What happened to Kellerman?


Nothing much, just really busy.


Ah, good. Glad to see you are still around.
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El Raymundo wrote:
Kellerman wrote:
El Raymundo wrote:
What happened to Kellerman?


Nothing much, just really busy.


Ah, good. Glad to see you are still around.


I usually browse the forum every other day, even if I don't post.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some random Viking fan from Canadia followed me on Twitter, was it one of you?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skywindO2 wrote:
Some random Viking fan from Canadia followed me on Twitter, was it one of you?


I think milanb lives in Canada.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm seriously considering giving up football entirely. I'm so glad my kid quit, due to the brain injury thing. I'm beginning to think I may need to overall stop watching, because I am not sure I can support something that hurts people so much, even if they choose to do it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skywindO2 wrote:
Some random Viking fan from Canadia followed me on Twitter, was it one of you?

Husker is Canadian, eh?
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