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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This year's draft is only one of the reasons.

Haslam is going to question the picks and especially the Weeden pick, for good reason.

My guess, though, is that he will look at Holmgren's hires. If Holmgren didn't pay at or below market for LaMonte's clients, he will be uncerimoniously escorted from the Berea complex in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

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bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......
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Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

brownsfan214 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.


bt the fact of the matter is he is hurt, you can say he may not have gotten hrt playing for s (cant prove that at all) and his teammate rolled up on his leg. and even before the injury he wasnt looking like the all worldly prospect he was made out to be.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.


bt the fact of the matter is he is hurt, you can say he may not have gotten hrt playing for s (cant prove that at all) and his teammate rolled up on his leg. and even before the injury he wasnt looking like the all worldly prospect he was made out to be.


No you can't prove it, but you can't say he would have got hurt playing for us either. Well in all fairness neither have Schwartz or Weeden.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

brownsfan214 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.


bt the fact of the matter is he is hurt, you can say he may not have gotten hrt playing for s (cant prove that at all) and his teammate rolled up on his leg. and even before the injury he wasnt looking like the all worldly prospect he was made out to be.


No you can't prove it, but you can't say he would have got hurt playing for us either. Well in all fairness neither have Schwartz or Weeden.


But he is hurt so it really is a moot point, a team in our situation it wold have been dumb to take a guard at that spot, even the greatest guard in the NFL is not going to add significant wins to this team, the steelers are a team that has the ability to make a luxury pick such as that. Had we taken a guard there and still got hrt like he is this board would be livid and up in arms about a wasted pick. Weeden say what you want about him but he actually does have an opprtunity to add wins to this team.

Schwartz has actally improved his play in every preseason game , and Weeden is still the best QB on our Roster, people were talking that Decastro was the greatest Guard prospect ever, nobody said any sch thing about Weeden, Decastro may not even be the best rookie guard in this division, Zeitler had been outplaying him before decastro got hurt
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Also to everyone who wants Holmgren and Heckert out of here... please let me know whom you have in mind to be the savior..... who is the great and powerful oz that you are gonna bring in
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.


bt the fact of the matter is he is hurt, you can say he may not have gotten hrt playing for s (cant prove that at all) and his teammate rolled up on his leg. and even before the injury he wasnt looking like the all worldly prospect he was made out to be.


No you can't prove it, but you can't say he would have got hurt playing for us either. Well in all fairness neither have Schwartz or Weeden.


But he is hurt so it really is a moot point, a team in our situation it wold have been dumb to take a guard at that spot, even the greatest guard in the NFL is not going to add significant wins to this team, the steelers are a team that has the ability to make a luxury pick such as that. Had we taken a guard there and still got hrt like he is this board would be livid and up in arms about a wasted pick. Weeden say what you want about him but he actually does have an opprtunity to add wins to this team.

Schwartz has actally improved his play in every preseason game , and Weeden is still the best QB on our Roster, people were talking that Decastro was the greatest Guard prospect ever, nobody said any sch thing about Weeden, Decastro may not even be the best rookie guard in this division, Zeitler had been outplaying him before decastro got hurt


I agree that we can not really speculate anything but of the fact that he is injured. But I do reject the idea that it would have been a wasted pick. To me it is never a wasted pick to add a good player with potential to be great to the line. I mean would it really been a wasted pick to select DeCastro at number 22 and then selected Weeden at 36 instead of selecting Weeden at 22 and Schwartz at 36? I feel that Pinkston and Lauvao were/are much bigger liabilties at the guard position than whoever (i forgot) we had at RT. Maybe you agree, maybe not but thats why I feel it wouldn't have been a wasted pick.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

brownsfan214 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
brownsfan214 wrote:
bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.


bt the fact of the matter is he is hurt, you can say he may not have gotten hrt playing for s (cant prove that at all) and his teammate rolled up on his leg. and even before the injury he wasnt looking like the all worldly prospect he was made out to be.


No you can't prove it, but you can't say he would have got hurt playing for us either. Well in all fairness neither have Schwartz or Weeden.


But he is hurt so it really is a moot point, a team in our situation it wold have been dumb to take a guard at that spot, even the greatest guard in the NFL is not going to add significant wins to this team, the steelers are a team that has the ability to make a luxury pick such as that. Had we taken a guard there and still got hrt like he is this board would be livid and up in arms about a wasted pick. Weeden say what you want about him but he actually does have an opprtunity to add wins to this team.

Schwartz has actally improved his play in every preseason game , and Weeden is still the best QB on our Roster, people were talking that Decastro was the greatest Guard prospect ever, nobody said any sch thing about Weeden, Decastro may not even be the best rookie guard in this division, Zeitler had been outplaying him before decastro got hurt


I agree that we can not really speculate anything but of the fact that he is injured. But I do reject the idea that it would have been a wasted pick. To me it is never a wasted pick to add a good player with potential to be great to the line. I mean would it really been a wasted pick to select DeCastro at number 22 and then selected Weeden at 36 instead of selecting Weeden at 22 and Schwartz at 36? I feel that Pinkston and Lauvao were/are much bigger liabilties at the guard position than whoever (i forgot) we had at RT. Maybe you agree, maybe not but thats why I feel it wouldn't have been a wasted pick.


Now your speculating that those players are gonna be there at those picks, which is no guarentee, and I am srry but an average QB has more impact on a game than a good guard does. Say you take Decastro at 22 and Weeden does not last till 36 as you suggest. ok sweet we have a better guard but we still have colt at QB who is still going to have troble making all the throws, getting the ball out quick and accuratly. Then we dont have our RT so we say take Jonathan Martin at RT whom has been beaten abused demoralized and any other degrading words this camp and preseason. So now we are stck with our current backup QB starting and a bad fit at RT starting at RT.... but hey atleast we got a good guard. Sorry I dont see the team really that mch more improved doing that
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bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.


bt the fact of the matter is he is hurt, you can say he may not have gotten hrt playing for s (cant prove that at all) and his teammate rolled up on his leg. and even before the injury he wasnt looking like the all worldly prospect he was made out to be.


No you can't prove it, but you can't say he would have got hurt playing for us either. Well in all fairness neither have Schwartz or Weeden.


But he is hurt so it really is a moot point, a team in our situation it wold have been dumb to take a guard at that spot, even the greatest guard in the NFL is not going to add significant wins to this team, the steelers are a team that has the ability to make a luxury pick such as that. Had we taken a guard there and still got hrt like he is this board would be livid and up in arms about a wasted pick. Weeden say what you want about him but he actually does have an opprtunity to add wins to this team.

Schwartz has actally improved his play in every preseason game , and Weeden is still the best QB on our Roster, people were talking that Decastro was the greatest Guard prospect ever, nobody said any sch thing about Weeden, Decastro may not even be the best rookie guard in this division, Zeitler had been outplaying him before decastro got hurt


I agree that we can not really speculate anything but of the fact that he is injured. But I do reject the idea that it would have been a wasted pick. To me it is never a wasted pick to add a good player with potential to be great to the line. I mean would it really been a wasted pick to select DeCastro at number 22 and then selected Weeden at 36 instead of selecting Weeden at 22 and Schwartz at 36? I feel that Pinkston and Lauvao were/are much bigger liabilties at the guard position than whoever (i forgot) we had at RT. Maybe you agree, maybe not but thats why I feel it wouldn't have been a wasted pick.


Now your speculating that those players are gonna be there at those picks, which is no guarentee, and I am srry but an average QB has more impact on a game than a good guard does. Say you take Decastro at 22 and Weeden does not last till 36 as you suggest. ok sweet we have a better guard but we still have colt at QB who is still going to have troble making all the throws, getting the ball out quick and accuratly. Then we dont have our RT so we say take Jonathan Martin at RT whom has been beaten abused demoralized and any other degrading words this camp and preseason. So now we are stck with our current backup QB starting and a bad fit at RT starting at RT.... but hey atleast we got a good guard. Sorry I dont see the team really that mch more improved doing that


Thats true that I am speculating that Weeden would have been there, but in all likely hood he would have been available at that spot, maybe even falling to late 2nd round. Weeden was a reach but we did need a QB. But I want you to answer this question. Weeden and Schwartz or DeCastro and Weeden. That is the argument I am defending.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

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bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.


bt the fact of the matter is he is hurt, you can say he may not have gotten hrt playing for s (cant prove that at all) and his teammate rolled up on his leg. and even before the injury he wasnt looking like the all worldly prospect he was made out to be.


No you can't prove it, but you can't say he would have got hurt playing for us either. Well in all fairness neither have Schwartz or Weeden.


But he is hurt so it really is a moot point, a team in our situation it wold have been dumb to take a guard at that spot, even the greatest guard in the NFL is not going to add significant wins to this team, the steelers are a team that has the ability to make a luxury pick such as that. Had we taken a guard there and still got hrt like he is this board would be livid and up in arms about a wasted pick. Weeden say what you want about him but he actually does have an opprtunity to add wins to this team.

Schwartz has actally improved his play in every preseason game , and Weeden is still the best QB on our Roster, people were talking that Decastro was the greatest Guard prospect ever, nobody said any sch thing about Weeden, Decastro may not even be the best rookie guard in this division, Zeitler had been outplaying him before decastro got hurt


I agree that we can not really speculate anything but of the fact that he is injured. But I do reject the idea that it would have been a wasted pick. To me it is never a wasted pick to add a good player with potential to be great to the line. I mean would it really been a wasted pick to select DeCastro at number 22 and then selected Weeden at 36 instead of selecting Weeden at 22 and Schwartz at 36? I feel that Pinkston and Lauvao were/are much bigger liabilties at the guard position than whoever (i forgot) we had at RT. Maybe you agree, maybe not but thats why I feel it wouldn't have been a wasted pick.


Now your speculating that those players are gonna be there at those picks, which is no guarentee, and I am srry but an average QB has more impact on a game than a good guard does. Say you take Decastro at 22 and Weeden does not last till 36 as you suggest. ok sweet we have a better guard but we still have colt at QB who is still going to have troble making all the throws, getting the ball out quick and accuratly. Then we dont have our RT so we say take Jonathan Martin at RT whom has been beaten abused demoralized and any other degrading words this camp and preseason. So now we are stck with our current backup QB starting and a bad fit at RT starting at RT.... but hey atleast we got a good guard. Sorry I dont see the team really that mch more improved doing that


Thats true that I am speculating that Weeden would have been there, but in all likely hood he would have been available at that spot, maybe even falling to late 2nd round. Weeden was a reach but we did need a QB. But I want you to answer this question. Weeden and Schwartz or DeCastro and Weeden. That is the argument I am defending.


I am honestly taking Weeden and Schwartz becase I feel RT was a far bigger liability to our line and I like Schwartz better than any of the other RT available at the time and I feel the best guard from this draft was taken behind both Decastro and Zeitler in Amini Silatolu
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

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bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.


bt the fact of the matter is he is hurt, you can say he may not have gotten hrt playing for s (cant prove that at all) and his teammate rolled up on his leg. and even before the injury he wasnt looking like the all worldly prospect he was made out to be.


No you can't prove it, but you can't say he would have got hurt playing for us either. Well in all fairness neither have Schwartz or Weeden.


But he is hurt so it really is a moot point, a team in our situation it wold have been dumb to take a guard at that spot, even the greatest guard in the NFL is not going to add significant wins to this team, the steelers are a team that has the ability to make a luxury pick such as that. Had we taken a guard there and still got hrt like he is this board would be livid and up in arms about a wasted pick. Weeden say what you want about him but he actually does have an opprtunity to add wins to this team.

Schwartz has actally improved his play in every preseason game , and Weeden is still the best QB on our Roster, people were talking that Decastro was the greatest Guard prospect ever, nobody said any sch thing about Weeden, Decastro may not even be the best rookie guard in this division, Zeitler had been outplaying him before decastro got hurt


I agree that we can not really speculate anything but of the fact that he is injured. But I do reject the idea that it would have been a wasted pick. To me it is never a wasted pick to add a good player with potential to be great to the line. I mean would it really been a wasted pick to select DeCastro at number 22 and then selected Weeden at 36 instead of selecting Weeden at 22 and Schwartz at 36? I feel that Pinkston and Lauvao were/are much bigger liabilties at the guard position than whoever (i forgot) we had at RT. Maybe you agree, maybe not but thats why I feel it wouldn't have been a wasted pick.


Now your speculating that those players are gonna be there at those picks, which is no guarentee, and I am srry but an average QB has more impact on a game than a good guard does. Say you take Decastro at 22 and Weeden does not last till 36 as you suggest. ok sweet we have a better guard but we still have colt at QB who is still going to have troble making all the throws, getting the ball out quick and accuratly. Then we dont have our RT so we say take Jonathan Martin at RT whom has been beaten abused demoralized and any other degrading words this camp and preseason. So now we are stck with our current backup QB starting and a bad fit at RT starting at RT.... but hey atleast we got a good guard. Sorry I dont see the team really that mch more improved doing that


Thats true that I am speculating that Weeden would have been there, but in all likely hood he would have been available at that spot, maybe even falling to late 2nd round. Weeden was a reach but we did need a QB. But I want you to answer this question. Weeden and Schwartz or DeCastro and Weeden. That is the argument I am defending.


I am honestly taking Weeden and Schwartz becase I feel RT was a far bigger liability to our line and I like Schwartz better than any of the other RT available at the time and I feel the best guard from this draft was taken behind both Decastro and Zeitler in Amini Silatolu


Alright everyone has their own opinions! Do hope that Schwartz and Weeden make the better combo though
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

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Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
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bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.



Well unfortuantely many of you know I am usually like to emphasize the negativity so I will agree with this post. Trent Richardson was a great pick and I didn't mind that we gave up some extra picks to get him. We needed a RB and we got a great one.

Now Weeden was a really bad pick at that spot. Almost terrible considering the we had the chance to grab the steal of the draft if we would have selected DeCastro. Would have been an amazing pick that filled a huge need, instead the Steelers go and select him. That pick really shows why one team is a super bowl contender every year and why one always has a top 10 draft pick. To make it even worse was the fact that a 30 year old rookie was selected at that point which was at least a round too early and that can't happen in the first round.

Schwartz wasnt my favorite pick and was taken maybe a round too early but I am pretty content with the pick. It filled a need but maybe wasnt the best choice at that spot.

Hughes, I am still bambozzled over this pick. No where on the map, maybe he will be good though. But he could have been drafted in the 6th, or maybe signed as undrafted free agent. I would have much rather had Brandon Thompson DT from Clemson.

But of course all can be forgiven and all praise will be given to our FO if it all pans out, only time will tell. I certainly hope that I am wrong and that every pick turns out to be the best decision!



you do know that Decastro was carted off the field with a knee injury like last week right......


Does that mean that the exact same injury would have happened if he were with the Browns?? No, he wouldn't have played that team that week and would have not been in that position where he got hurt.


bt the fact of the matter is he is hurt, you can say he may not have gotten hrt playing for s (cant prove that at all) and his teammate rolled up on his leg. and even before the injury he wasnt looking like the all worldly prospect he was made out to be.


No you can't prove it, but you can't say he would have got hurt playing for us either. Well in all fairness neither have Schwartz or Weeden.


But he is hurt so it really is a moot point, a team in our situation it wold have been dumb to take a guard at that spot, even the greatest guard in the NFL is not going to add significant wins to this team, the steelers are a team that has the ability to make a luxury pick such as that. Had we taken a guard there and still got hrt like he is this board would be livid and up in arms about a wasted pick. Weeden say what you want about him but he actually does have an opprtunity to add wins to this team.

Schwartz has actally improved his play in every preseason game , and Weeden is still the best QB on our Roster, people were talking that Decastro was the greatest Guard prospect ever, nobody said any sch thing about Weeden, Decastro may not even be the best rookie guard in this division, Zeitler had been outplaying him before decastro got hurt


I agree that we can not really speculate anything but of the fact that he is injured. But I do reject the idea that it would have been a wasted pick. To me it is never a wasted pick to add a good player with potential to be great to the line. I mean would it really been a wasted pick to select DeCastro at number 22 and then selected Weeden at 36 instead of selecting Weeden at 22 and Schwartz at 36? I feel that Pinkston and Lauvao were/are much bigger liabilties at the guard position than whoever (i forgot) we had at RT. Maybe you agree, maybe not but thats why I feel it wouldn't have been a wasted pick.


Now your speculating that those players are gonna be there at those picks, which is no guarentee, and I am srry but an average QB has more impact on a game than a good guard does. Say you take Decastro at 22 and Weeden does not last till 36 as you suggest. ok sweet we have a better guard but we still have colt at QB who is still going to have troble making all the throws, getting the ball out quick and accuratly. Then we dont have our RT so we say take Jonathan Martin at RT whom has been beaten abused demoralized and any other degrading words this camp and preseason. So now we are stck with our current backup QB starting and a bad fit at RT starting at RT.... but hey atleast we got a good guard. Sorry I dont see the team really that mch more improved doing that


Thats true that I am speculating that Weeden would have been there, but in all likely hood he would have been available at that spot, maybe even falling to late 2nd round. Weeden was a reach but we did need a QB. But I want you to answer this question. Weeden and Schwartz or DeCastro and Weeden. That is the argument I am defending.


I am honestly taking Weeden and Schwartz becase I feel RT was a far bigger liability to our line and I like Schwartz better than any of the other RT available at the time and I feel the best guard from this draft was taken behind both Decastro and Zeitler in Amini Silatolu


Alright everyone has their own opinions! Do hope that Schwartz and Weeden make the better combo though


I honestly believe Decastro is going to walk away as the 3rd best OG from this draft, behind Silatolu and Zeitler. I think he will be good, I dont feel he will be special
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say lets wait until the season ends to fully evaluate the past drafts under H & H.

Also the reason the steelers have won 2 SB's in the last 10 years is the same reason the giants have won 2 SB's in the last 10 years...more good fortune than the teams involved in the playoffs during their runs, aka, the previous years draft for the steelers and giants didn't really impact the outcomes as much as other factors, like injuries, crazyazz catches, and favorable matchups .

Now that the steelers are having some bad luck, whatch out. I'm not anticipating playoffs this year for the steelers, and prob not the giants. And I think most GM's of young teams like the Browns would be willing to take chance on a guy like Weeden at 22, compared to the prospect of trading for the likes of an 8 year NFL veteran like Big Ben with the 22 pick. So yea no big deal....yet.
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