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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:24 pm    Post subject: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

I understand the Richardson criticism however there was an report from Vikings front office that they were ready to trade Trent to another team.

Found it:

http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2012/05/02/sports/doc4fa0a71683258970138758.txt

bigdogsandiego wrote:
#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd

Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd


Comments like these are foolish. You have no factual evidence or proof that said players would be drafted where you mentioned. You are basing it off of mock drafts and not what paid professionals have.

Also it is IMPOSSIBLE to have addressed every need last year.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To further backup Candyman, look at the Seattle Seahawks. Though Bruce Irvin was seen as one of the better pure pass rushers in the draft, nobody had him above the second round (in mock drafts) until about two weeks before the draft, when it became known that several teams had a first round grade on him.

The point is, mocks--even those done by analysts--are just that, mocks. I have every confidence that the Browns wanted Kendall Wright, but were surprised when he went to the Titans. Perhaps the Browns looked at their list and realized their top defensive players were all off the board by that time, and weren't as high on the Right Tackles available, either. And so when their second pick in the round came up, they went ahead and took the QB they wanted.

Schwartz could possibly have been had in the third round, sure. Especially with the way the other projected Right Tackles ended up dropping. But the Browns brought in three possible right tackle candidates, and ended up taking the man they believed best fit their scheme.

The truth is the Chiefs very well may have selected Weeden in the second round, what with playoff aspirations and a poor depth chart of Ricky Stanzi and Brady Quinn. Or what about Denver? Sure they signed Peyton Manning, but for a team who made the playoffs this year and will be looking to go deeper, an older, strong-armed backup QB might not have been out of the question.

If you want to question the Browns selection of Weeden at all, fine, that's valid; But doing so using nothing more than ifs and thens is ridiculous. And claiming the fall of Holmgren will be how the quarterback was selected and not on the merit of his play this season, that's the most foolish thing of all.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dumb thread.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read a quote by former Packers GM Ron Wolf, who built Green Bay's championship teams of the 90's.

"It's better to get the player you want a round early than lose him a round late."
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The results of this years draft will take a few years to evaluate"

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The door to a new contract and a pat on the back for a job well done. I like how you think thread starter.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP I agree with you, as do most of the people posting 2013 mocks in the other forum, based on where they have us drafting. The only people I see that feel good about the players we chose are Browns fans. Not much positive that is objective.

I'll add to that that Gordon might turn out to be a very expensive pick as well.

If we are in the top 3 and Barkley is there, hopefully we can pull off a trade like STL did and take our mulligan.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry but when did Holmgren become the GM? And, 1st round QB's are the biggest source of coach/gm firings. If you take one, he'd better work out. I doubt it has anything to to with Holmgren however.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pnies20 wrote:
Dumb thread.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
pnies20 wrote:
Dumb thread.


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Simple responses like this do nothing to further the conversation. Either make a decent response, or don't make the post.

The OP doesn't like the moves made by Holmgren and Heckert. Either debate the points with substance, or choose not to respond.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: This year's draft will show Holmgren the door! Reply with quote

bigdogsandiego wrote:
The results of this draft will take a few years to evaluate in terms of productivity. However, Holmgren has put all the chips on Weeden and that is an exercise in futility which will show Holmie the door. Whatever happened to Best Player Available? Heckert had to be given some specific instructions and Holmgren as much as I like him has let time pass him by. Every analyst and reader here had a list of needs and our draft did not satisfy the list with a lot of inefficiency by any standard. With 2 first rd picks, we should have selected a playmaker on O and D.

#4 Yes, TRich is a great pick but no need to pay 4,5,7 which would have produced 3 roster players and or trade material. If MN trades pick to another team, then we had 3 options and certainly a trade down or plant a pick for next draft would have been prudent or pick Blackmon or RDE. Martin or Wilson are solid RB players in lieu of Richardson. More than likely MN takes Kalil with #3

#24 Yes, Weeden would have been a nice pick in 3rd rd and we missed the chance to select RDE which we really need

2nd Rd Yes, Schwartz is a nice pick but could have been selected in 3rd rd or we take Reiff at #24

You can dissect every pick as we overpaid or overevaluated(Hughes in 3rd). We did not address S position or G position.

In today's NFL, the leadership has to have a vision not a rear view mirror. Great news Haslam is the new owner and there will be changes made after his team is approved for ownership in OCT and the season shows the stripes of this draft. Bad news is we will be fortunate to win 4-7 games.


Most experts gave the BROWNS a C+ for this drafts. With the picks we had going in we should have ended with at least an A. The trade with Minn. started a downward trend.We were played, we should have been player. We did not let the draft come to us.
Also anyone who thinks that Heckert alone took Weeden is very much mis-informed. Holmgrem likes pupets.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, Holmgren isn't the GM...

I don't get why some people criticize the Browns for making sure they were able to draft Richardson. If they missed out on him and we found out it was because they refused to trade a few mid and late-round picks (when the Browns had a bunch of 'em), then we'd all be pissed.

You say take BPA at #22? Who would have been a better pick? Besides, many feel that Weeden would have been a top 10-15 pick had he been a few years younger. Most agree that he's very talented but he fell due to his age.

Schwartz probably wouldn't have been available in the third round. Supposedly he was climbing up many teams' draft boards. He was one of my favorite RT prospects and was arguably the most well-rounded. I was happy when the Browns drafted him in the second round.

Hughes has looked pretty good. Looks like he might be a good pick after all, especially with Taylor being out.
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Why ignore the late round picks? Wade looks like a good pick, and Winn has been really good so far. And Benjamin could be the best WR we have.

Do you really think those picks we gave up for Richardson would have been better than him? I'm tired of losing the guys we want right before us. Let's go up and take our guy, that's what we need to do.

Would you really want to take a WR who just had a DUI and held out most of training camp in Blackmon? Or did you want to take Kalil, whose a LT when we have the best in the game? Or take Mo Claibourne, who is a good player, but not on Richardson's level, and really doesn't fill a need. We have plenty of depth and youth at CB.

So you wanted to take another player at #4, then take Wilson or Martin at #22? That wouldn't of been BPA.

The only thing I'm mad about is getting Weeden over DeCastro, and that even looks okay because DeCastro messed his knee up. Plus, you need a QB in order to win in today's NFL. Weeden has the size, strength and skills to be a good QB. I dont give a crap how old he is, if he can play, play him. Colt sucks, he's weak and the size of a toddler.

Hughes was a gamble, sure. But guess what? The Saints were going to pick him with the next pick, but we took him. Hmm, yeah the Saints that are in the playoffs all the time and know what they're doing?

Also, you can not address every single need in one offseason. It's impossible. The S position actually has been upgraded, we have a new S in Eric Hagg who was injured last year I believe.

EVERYONE was scratching their heads when we took Jordan Cameron last year. Guess how that turned out? Pretty damn good, as he's progressed and looks like he'll be a starter in the next year or so.

TIRED OF THE [inappropriate/removed]. QUIT COMPLAINING, these guys know what they're doing.

Oh and for whoever said this is why the experts have us picking top 5? No. That's dumbasses who think they know the team, but they just look at the paper with the roster on it. It's more than that. Pretty sure the experts said Cam Newton wouldn't start and the Panthers were going to be in the same position they were the year before. Riiiiiight. Also, Philly's rings are nice right? Oh, what? The dream team didn't even make the playoffs? Weird, the experts are always right..

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