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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll try to get some hourly reports out on some guys that fit the Seahawks mold to look out for on Day 2!


South Carolina WLB/SS DeVonte Holloman


Analysis: Holloman is exactly the type of player I could see Seattle "reaching" on in the 3rd or 4th round and proclaiming them as the starter at WLB. Looking over our draft history, this team values mid round LBs that offer versatility. KJ Wright came out of Miss State with the ability to play both ILB and OLB with great size. Korey Toomer was an athletic pass rushing LB that also came with ideal size. Well Holloman is 6'2", 243 lbs, which is bigger than even guys like Khaseem Greene. Holloman is praised as being one of the most instinctive players in the draft, which Seattle has almost unanimously looked for when drafting defensive talent. Wright and Wagner were both similarly praised for their instincts. Holloman is being drafted at a 2-down position for this defense, but with his experience as a SS as well as LB means he doesn't always have to come out on passing downs. He is ideal at the POA, can cover the slot, and rushes the passer from the edge. Watch the game tape and you may come away scratching your head as to why he's rated so low, like I am. He almost seems to perfect for Seattle.


played against him in high school, and watched him at South Carolina, always a hard hitter, reminds me of Kam A LOT he would just be another Kam at OLB. I think he would be nice to come in, when Winfield isnt out there. I thought I saw him ranged in the 5th though??
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, he currently is ranged in the 5th, which is why I say look out for him as a player we "reach" on in the 3rd or 4th round. I think the difference between he and Kam is that DeVonte is much more instinctual near the line of scrimmage and diagnoses plays as fast as a LB should. Kam pretty much could be our WLB, so it's not a surprise the players are so similar.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

West Virginia WR Stedman Bailey



Analysis: Bailey would pretty much signal a "we're replacing you Golden Tate" type pick. At 5'10" and huge hands at 9'7/8" Bailey is the type of player that attacks the football in the air and has made a living of abusing defenders downfield with his ability to track the ball, get vertical, and out muscle for the ball. Bailey would be a nice 2nd or 3rd round selection for a team looking for a WR. He's a solid route runner with quick feet and was the most consistent of the two draftable WVU receivers. He's not the ideal athlete, but he is a natural receiver that Pete and John have shown to appreciate.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, he currently is ranged in the 5th, which is why I say look out for him as a player we "reach" on in the 3rd or 4th round. I think the difference between he and Kam is that DeVonte is much more instinctual near the line of scrimmage and diagnoses plays as fast as a LB should. Kam pretty much could be our WLB, so it's not a surprise the players are so similar.


I could see it, I really like Malcolm Smith though, but would like to see who wins out between the two at WLB if not put him as our 3rd S in hailmary situations
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dools=hawks wrote:
SoS wrote:
Yes, he currently is ranged in the 5th, which is why I say look out for him as a player we "reach" on in the 3rd or 4th round. I think the difference between he and Kam is that DeVonte is much more instinctual near the line of scrimmage and diagnoses plays as fast as a LB should. Kam pretty much could be our WLB, so it's not a surprise the players are so similar.


I could see it, I really like Malcolm Smith though, but would like to see who wins out between the two at WLB if not put him as our 3rd S in hailmary situations


Malcolm Smith seems to have won over fans the same way a backup QB wins over fans. I don't think he's the guy we want penciled in at starter, he's more of a Nickel specialist in my mind. Too oft-injured to trust and doesn't have the size to keep us competitive against the run.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, he currently is ranged in the 5th, which is why I say look out for him as a player we "reach" on in the 3rd or 4th round. I think the difference between he and Kam is that DeVonte is much more instinctual near the line of scrimmage and diagnoses plays as fast as a LB should. Kam pretty much could be our WLB, so it's not a surprise the players are so similar.


I could see it, I really like Malcolm Smith though, but would like to see who wins out between the two at WLB if not put him as our 3rd S in hailmary situations


Malcolm Smith seems to have won over fans the same way a backup QB wins over fans. I don't think he's the guy we want penciled in at starter, he's more of a Nickel specialist in my mind. Too oft-injured to trust and doesn't have the size to keep us competitive against the run.


I see why you say that, all ive seen is solid tackles and solid plays from him
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You also need to consider that if Cliff Avril is on the field as the SLB, KJ will slot in at WLB. This team doesn't need a full time WLB, so I can understand if the FO is happy with Malcolm Smith as he is.
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You also need to consider that if Cliff Avril is on the field as the SLB, KJ will slot in at WLB. This team doesn't need a full time WLB, so I can understand if the FO is happy with Malcolm Smith as he is.


If Avril is playing SLB it likely means we're in a Nickel package in which KJ won't even be on the field. Even in the case where Avril is playing there in our base defense, I doubt they keep KJ in to play the other side. You still want a guy you label as a true starter there.
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SoS wrote:
Tooki wrote:
You also need to consider that if Cliff Avril is on the field as the SLB, KJ will slot in at WLB. This team doesn't need a full time WLB, so I can understand if the FO is happy with Malcolm Smith as he is.


If Avril is playing SLB it likely means we're in a Nickel package in which KJ won't even be on the field. Even in the case where Avril is playing there in our base defense, I doubt they keep KJ in to play the other side. You still want a guy you label as a true starter there.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. I could see some scenarios where Pete opts for Avril in at SLB on early downs. Now that he has more overall talent on defense, I see Pete wanting to be more creative. This is pure speculation on my part.

If the right player falls to the teams pick, the FO should go all on on a great LB.
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Tooki wrote:
SoS wrote:
Tooki wrote:
You also need to consider that if Cliff Avril is on the field as the SLB, KJ will slot in at WLB. This team doesn't need a full time WLB, so I can understand if the FO is happy with Malcolm Smith as he is.


If Avril is playing SLB it likely means we're in a Nickel package in which KJ won't even be on the field. Even in the case where Avril is playing there in our base defense, I doubt they keep KJ in to play the other side. You still want a guy you label as a true starter there.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. I could see some scenarios where Pete opts for Avril in at SLB on early downs. Now that he has more overall talent on defense, I see Pete wanting to be more creative. This is pure speculation on my part.

If the right player falls to the teams pick, the FO should go all on on a great LB.


I'll personally guarantee that "right player" won't be in the 2nd round.

DeVonte Holloman makes a lot of sense in the 3rd or 4th.
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What do you guys think about Keenan Allen if he falls? After the flagged drug test and the poor 40 times, could you see him sliding past the second, and if he does, does the FA jump at him?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What do you guys think about Keenan Allen if he falls? After the flagged drug test and the poor 40 times, could you see him sliding past the second, and if he does, does the FA jump at him?


It's possible, he'd be the perfect replacement for Rice at a great discount. I think we try to at least shop one our above average talents at the draft this year, and look to replace them with a rook. Something about JS's pre-draft interview made me think we want more firepower this weekend, while also dumping a contract. I look for Rice, Bryant, Clemons, Browner and possibly even Zach Miller to be on the market for some quick trades
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my 1st round mock

1. Kansas City- Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
2. Jacksonville- Dion Jordan DE Oregon
3. Arizona (T)- Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
4. Philadelphia- Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
5. Detroit- Ezekial Ansah DE BYU
6. Cleveland- Dee Milliner CB Alabama
7. Oakland (T)- Shariff Floyd DT Florida
8. Buffalo- Geno Smith QB West Virginia
9. New York Jets- Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
10. Tennessee- Star Loutelei DT Utah
11. San Diego- DJ Fluker OT Alabama
12. Miami- Chance Warmack OG Alabama
13. New York Jets- Barkevious Mingo DE/OLB LSU
14. Carolina- Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
15. New Orleans- Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
16. St. Louis- Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
17. Pittsburgh- Deandre Hopkins WR Clemson
18. Dallas- Jonathon Cooper North Carolina
19. New York Giants- Xavier Rhodes CB Florida St
20. Chicago- Manti Te'o LB Notre Dame
21. Cincinnati- Jonathon Cyprien S Florida Int
22. St. Louis- Matt Elam S Florida
23. Minnesota- Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
24. Indianapolis- Desmond Trufant CB Washington
25. Minnesota- Justin Hunter WR Tennessee
26. Green Bay- Eric Reid S LSU
27. Houston- Keenan Allen WR California
28. Denver- Tank Carradine DE Florida St
29. New England- DJ Hayden CB Houston
30. Atlanta- Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
31. San Francisco- Bjoern Werner DE Florida St
32. Baltimore- Alec Ogletree LB Georgia
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wee-Bey wrote:
What do you guys think about Keenan Allen if he falls? After the flagged drug test and the poor 40 times, could you see him sliding past the second, and if he does, does the FA jump at him?


Kind of scarey that he timed a 40 time like he was a OT but i would take a chance on him he was pretty good at Cal with bad QB play his entire career there.
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Sacks98 wrote:
Wee-Bey wrote:
What do you guys think about Keenan Allen if he falls? After the flagged drug test and the poor 40 times, could you see him sliding past the second, and if he does, does the FA jump at him?


Kind of scarey that he timed a 40 time like he was a OT but i would take a chance on him he was pretty good at Cal with bad QB play his entire career there.


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