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Steelerspower
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | Manning, 2008.
Brees or Rivers should have won. |
no.....because of their record of 8-8
the bad end of the regular season of the cardinals has killed the chances of Warner to win the mvp in 2008 |
And Rivers pulled the Chargers from 4-8 and was better than Manning that year, as was Brees.
Rivers was absolutely phenomenal that year. Tied with Drew Brees for the TD lead on over 150 less pass attempts. |
Rivers was incredible in 2008, but since 2001, the players who have won the mvp had always at least 11 wins |
Ok...... doesn't mean Rivers didn't deserve it. |
But the record are very important to win the mvp,especially in the nfl and the nba
the record of 45-37 of the Lakers in 2006 has cost the MVP to Kobe Bryant |
Not my point. Philip Rivers should have been the MVP, he was (arguably) the best player that year and extremely important to the Chargers. He had the best season of any QB in the league that year (arguably) while throwing far fewer attempts than most of the top QBs. |
again,a player can't win a mvp with a record of 8-8
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JammerHammer21
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| Steelerspower wrote: |
again,a player can't win a mvp with a record of 8-8 |
Is the most valuable player not the most valuable player then, just the most valuable member of a good team? |
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Steelerspower
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Peyton Manning deserved the MVP in 2009
the Colts had no HC, no running game and the defense was bad in 3rd down, but the Colts started the season with a record of 14-0
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Steelerspower
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: |
again,a player can't win a mvp with a record of 8-8 |
Is the most valuable player not the most valuable player then, just the most valuable member of a good team? |
yes...same for the NBA....This is the reason why Kobe had not win the mvp in 2006
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JammerHammer21
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelerspower wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: |
again,a player can't win a mvp with a record of 8-8 |
Is the most valuable player not the most valuable player then, just the most valuable member of a good team? |
yes...same for the NBA....This is the reason why Kobe had not win the mvp in 2006 |
Let's try this again..... 
He's asking if there's anyone that won MVP that should have won. Arguably, Philip Rivers WAS the most valuable player that year. It doesn't matter that he was 8-8 here, the point is he very easily could have been the MVP. He pulled the Chargers from 4-8 to get to the playoffs.
If the Chargers had went 8-8 in 06, but LT had the same season, he could still be the MVP, even if the voters don't vote him it. |
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wackywabbit
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| Steelerspower wrote: | Peyton Manning deserved the MVP in 2009
the Colts had no HC, no running game and the defense was bad in 3rd down, but the Colts started the season with a record of 14-0 |
Yep. Peyton was undefeated that year in every game that he played more than a half. In other words, they won every game that they legitimately tried to win. Obviously, Brees had the better year when you consider the playoffs, but since MVP is a regular season award, it was an easy choice for Manning. |
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| Colt45fool wrote: | | jgold72288 wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | Manning 2008.
I really, truly believe Chad Pennington deserved to win that year. Ten win difference and had by far his best year as a pro. He was second in the voting and deserved to win with the 10-win improvement of the Dolphins under his belt. |
I could see an argument for Brees or Rivers that year (if the traditional caveat of record, which may or may not be legit, is ignored), but not Pennington. The Dolphins turned over like 11 or 12 starters that year and Pennington wasn't even in the game for a lot of his team's offensive downs. |
Um, what?
The QB of the offense wasn't in the game for a lot of the team's offensive downs? Yeah, they ran the wildcat, but Chad still attempted 476 throws (two times less than Philip Rivers.) And his backs still totaled less runs than he did pass attempts... |
It just seems wrong to attribute a 10 win improvement completely to the quarterback, especially when it was almost a completely different team he led and he wasn't the primary factor opposing DCs accounted for.
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Steelerspower
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: |
again,a player can't win a mvp with a record of 8-8 |
Is the most valuable player not the most valuable player then, just the most valuable member of a good team? |
yes...same for the NBA....This is the reason why Kobe had not win the mvp in 2006 |
Let's try this again.....
He's asking if there's anyone that won MVP that should have won. Arguably, Philip Rivers WAS the most valuable player that year. It doesn't matter that he was 8-8 here, the point is he very easily could have been the MVP. He pulled the Chargers from 4-8 to get to the playoffs.
If the Chargers had went 8-8 in 06, but LT had the same season, he could still be the MVP, even if the voters don't vote him it. |
Kurt Warner, Drew Brees and Peterson would have been a better choice than Rivers
Warner led the cardinals in the super bowl .... The cardinals
Drew Brees almost broke the record of Dan Marino in 2008
Peterson led the Vikings in the playoff without a QB
The chargers have started the season 4-8.I know it was not the fault of Rivers, but....
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| jgold72288 wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | | jgold72288 wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | Manning 2008.
I really, truly believe Chad Pennington deserved to win that year. Ten win difference and had by far his best year as a pro. He was second in the voting and deserved to win with the 10-win improvement of the Dolphins under his belt. |
I could see an argument for Brees or Rivers that year (if the traditional caveat of record, which may or may not be legit, is ignored), but not Pennington. The Dolphins turned over like 11 or 12 starters that year and Pennington wasn't even in the game for a lot of his team's offensive downs. |
Um, what?
The QB of the offense wasn't in the game for a lot of the team's offensive downs? Yeah, they ran the wildcat, but Chad still attempted 476 throws (two times less than Philip Rivers.) And his backs still totaled less runs than he did pass attempts... |
It just seems wrong to attribute a 10 win improvement completely to the quarterback, especially when it was almost a completely different team he led and he wasn't the primary factor opposing DCs accounted for. |
And Ronnie Brown (and somewhat Williams) was huge for that team. |
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JammerHammer21
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| Steelerspower wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: |
again,a player can't win a mvp with a record of 8-8 |
Is the most valuable player not the most valuable player then, just the most valuable member of a good team? |
yes...same for the NBA....This is the reason why Kobe had not win the mvp in 2006 |
Let's try this again.....
He's asking if there's anyone that won MVP that should have won. Arguably, Philip Rivers WAS the most valuable player that year. It doesn't matter that he was 8-8 here, the point is he very easily could have been the MVP. He pulled the Chargers from 4-8 to get to the playoffs.
If the Chargers had went 8-8 in 06, but LT had the same season, he could still be the MVP, even if the voters don't vote him it. |
Kurt Warner, Drew Brees and Peterson would have been a better choice than Rivers
Warner led the cardinals in the super bowl .... The cardinals
Drew Brees almost broke the record Dan Marino in 2008
Peterson led the Vikings in the in playoff without a QB
The chargers have started the season 4-8.I know it was not the fault of Rivers, but.... |
Warner's postseason has nothing to do with MVP, Brees attempted over 150 pass attempts more than Rivers did, and the Vikes had a strong D. |
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Joey Porter or Yeremiah Bell may have been more important to that 08 Dolphins team than Pennington or Brown anyway. They only improved from 26th to 21st on offense, but from 30th to 9th on defense.
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: |
again,a player can't win a mvp with a record of 8-8 |
Is the most valuable player not the most valuable player then, just the most valuable member of a good team? |
yes...same for the NBA....This is the reason why Kobe had not win the mvp in 2006 |
Let's try this again.....
He's asking if there's anyone that won MVP that should have won. Arguably, Philip Rivers WAS the most valuable player that year. It doesn't matter that he was 8-8 here, the point is he very easily could have been the MVP. He pulled the Chargers from 4-8 to get to the playoffs.
If the Chargers had went 8-8 in 06, but LT had the same season, he could still be the MVP, even if the voters don't vote him it. |
Kurt Warner, Drew Brees and Peterson would have been a better choice than Rivers
Warner led the cardinals in the super bowl .... The cardinals
Drew Brees almost broke the record Dan Marino in 2008
Peterson led the Vikings in the in playoff without a QB
The chargers have started the season 4-8.I know it was not the fault of Rivers, but.... |
Warner's postseason has nothing to do with MVP, Brees attempted over 150 pass attempts more than Rivers did, and the Vikes had a strong D. |
I don't care
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I find it funny how people are saying rivers as mvp.
Umm he had a team that was heavily favorite to make a title run who ended up 8-8 and expect to win MVP? u gotta be f'ing kidding me.
You dont win mvp by winning 8 games.
And their should be no questions about peytons 08 and 09 mvp because we saw clearly last year how important he was to his team. |
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Bobikus
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Warner would have been a poor MVP choice. After game 10 he was probably the best choice, but he kind of played himself out of contention during the latter weeks.
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