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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Manning, 2008.

Brees or Rivers should have won.


Michael Turner should have won it. Brees and Rivers were on 8-8 teams

He didn't have any hype though because we had a rookie QB.

Matt Ryan had a sensational rookie season, but it was sensational FOR A ROOKIE.

It kind of robbed Turner of the love he should have received especially considering the running game was by far the biggest difference between Falcons in 2007 and 2008.

When you have that type of impact on a team in production AND wins, that's about as big of an impact as a single player can make

And considering it was a rather par for the course season for Peyton Manning, who didn't even win his division that year, come on NFL


Whatever Michael Turner did that year, Adrian Peterson did better.

Discrediting someone for not winning their division when they went 12-4 is ridiculous. In fact, it's actually more impressive since that means one of the teams he faced two times that year was elite. Oh, and the Falcons didn't win theirs either.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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again,a player can't win a mvp with a record of 8-8


Is the most valuable player not the most valuable player then, just the most valuable member of a good team?


yes...same for the NBA....This is the reason why Kobe had not win the mvp in 2006


And why the Dodgers' Kemp didn't win the NL MVP in 2011 (and why Braun won't be in the conversation this year).


Felix Hernandez would like to say something.
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Ken Caminiti over Mike Piazza, 1996
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Ken Caminiti over Mike Piazza, 1996
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Ken Caminiti over Mike Piazza, 1996


Not to go off topic, though it is, Piazza had no argument over Caminiti in 1996. Caminiti was clearly better than him.

I think what you meant to say was Caminiti and 3 others over Barry Bonds.
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Ken Caminiti over Mike Piazza, 1996


And Barry Larkin over Piazza in 1995.
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HOW THE MVP IS DECIDED: PLEASE FOLLOW THESE STEPS TO DETERMINE THE NFL MVP

1) Has a QB or a RB on a winning ream had a much better statistical year than Peyton Manning? If yes, award MVP*. If no, proceed to STEP 2.

2) Award Peyton Manning

*NOTE: If there are several players with huge stats, one being Peyton Manning, award Peyton Manning.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the favoring the QB so much now, I wonder if they will create an award just for the QB.... like they do with pitchers in the MLB.
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GaTechRavens wrote:
BBIB wrote:
JammerHammer21 wrote:
Manning, 2008.

Brees or Rivers should have won.


Michael Turner should have won it. Brees and Rivers were on 8-8 teams

He didn't have any hype though because we had a rookie QB.

Matt Ryan had a sensational rookie season, but it was sensational FOR A ROOKIE.

It kind of robbed Turner of the love he should have received especially considering the running game was by far the biggest difference between Falcons in 2007 and 2008.

When you have that type of impact on a team in production AND wins, that's about as big of an impact as a single player can make

And considering it was a rather par for the course season for Peyton Manning, who didn't even win his division that year, come on NFL


Whatever Michael Turner did that year, Adrian Peterson did better.

Discrediting someone for not winning their division when they went 12-4 is ridiculous. In fact, it's actually more impressive since that means one of the teams he faced two times that year was elite. Oh, and the Falcons didn't win theirs either.


Michael Turner had 7 more TDs than Peterson that year and 6 less fumbles

That difference is much bigger in Turner's favor than the less than 80 total more yards that Peterson had on the season.
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clear. wrote:
With the favoring the QB so much now, I wonder if they will create an award just for the QB.... like they do with pitchers in the MLB.


I used to think the Heisman was the most biased award in favor of QBs, but when you look at it NFL MVP is far worse.

A running back basically has to have a historic season to win the award.

Again Michael Turner's basically 1700 yards rushing to go along with 17 TDs on a team that went from worst to first, should have been more than legit enough to win the award factoring in individual and team accomplishments.

But he received a whopping ONE vote. The most sickening thing about that voting was how lopsided it was in favor of Manning showing how much groupthink there is in addition to QB bias
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BBIB wrote:
clear. wrote:
With the favoring the QB so much now, I wonder if they will create an award just for the QB.... like they do with pitchers in the MLB.


I used to think the Heisman was the most biased award in favor of QBs, but when you look at it NFL MVP is far worse.

A running back basically has to have a historic season to win the award.

Again Michael Turner's basically 1700 yards rushing to go along with 17 TDs on a team that went from worst to first, should have been more than legit enough to win the award factoring in individual and team accomplishments.

But he received a whopping ONE vote. The most sickening thing about that voting was how lopsided it was in favor of Manning showing how much groupthink there is in addition to QB bias


It's a QB league. If you want to win the NFL MVP as a RB prepare to have 1800+ rushing yards or close to 2500 YFS. And 20+ TD's is pretty much a needed total. Oh and you better lock up that #1 seed. It's a QB league. You better have a damn fine year as a RB to win that award.
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Fired-Up wrote:
BBIB wrote:
clear. wrote:
With the favoring the QB so much now, I wonder if they will create an award just for the QB.... like they do with pitchers in the MLB.


I used to think the Heisman was the most biased award in favor of QBs, but when you look at it NFL MVP is far worse.

A running back basically has to have a historic season to win the award.

Again Michael Turner's basically 1700 yards rushing to go along with 17 TDs on a team that went from worst to first, should have been more than legit enough to win the award factoring in individual and team accomplishments.

But he received a whopping ONE vote. The most sickening thing about that voting was how lopsided it was in favor of Manning showing how much groupthink there is in addition to QB bias


It's a QB league. If you want to win the NFL MVP as a RB prepare to have 1800+ rushing yards or close to 2500 YFS. And 20+ TD's is pretty much a needed total. Oh and you better lock up that #1 seed. It's a QB league. You better have a damn fine year as a RB to win that award.


And like others have pointed out, you better hope Peyton Manning didn't have a great year
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BBIB wrote:
Fired-Up wrote:
BBIB wrote:
clear. wrote:
With the favoring the QB so much now, I wonder if they will create an award just for the QB.... like they do with pitchers in the MLB.


I used to think the Heisman was the most biased award in favor of QBs, but when you look at it NFL MVP is far worse.

A running back basically has to have a historic season to win the award.

Again Michael Turner's basically 1700 yards rushing to go along with 17 TDs on a team that went from worst to first, should have been more than legit enough to win the award factoring in individual and team accomplishments.

But he received a whopping ONE vote. The most sickening thing about that voting was how lopsided it was in favor of Manning showing how much groupthink there is in addition to QB bias


It's a QB league. If you want to win the NFL MVP as a RB prepare to have 1800+ rushing yards or close to 2500 YFS. And 20+ TD's is pretty much a needed total. Oh and you better lock up that #1 seed. It's a QB league. You better have a damn fine year as a RB to win that award.


And like others have pointed out, you better hope Peyton Manning didn't have a great year


False. Manning's 2nd and 3rd best statistical years saw a RB win the MVP. 2005 and 2006.
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Fired-Up wrote:
It's a QB league. If you want to win the NFL MVP as a RB prepare to have 1800+ rushing yards or close to 2500 YFS. And 20+ TD's is pretty much a needed total. Oh and you better lock up that #1 seed. It's a QB league. You better have a damn fine year as a RB to win that award.


What does it take for a linebacker to win the award? A cornerback? An offensive linemen? It wasn't a QB league in the 60s, 70s and 80s. It was a running back league. It was a defensive league. Yet quarterbacks still won the award more often than anyone else. How do you explain that?
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BBIB wrote:
clear. wrote:
With the favoring the QB so much now, I wonder if they will create an award just for the QB.... like they do with pitchers in the MLB.


I used to think the Heisman was the most biased award in favor of QBs, but when you look at it NFL MVP is far worse.

A running back basically has to have a historic season to win the award.

Again Michael Turner's basically 1700 yards rushing to go along with 17 TDs on a team that went from worst to first, should have been more than legit enough to win the award factoring in individual and team accomplishments.

But he received a whopping ONE vote. The most sickening thing about that voting was how lopsided it was in favor of Manning showing how much groupthink there is in addition to QB bias


Team didn't go worst to first.....
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