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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty much my thoughts exactly...
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Because he had a couple of good games that makes him a legit starter? Granted he made the most of his opportunities here, but if you look around the league the most of your legit successful starting Qbs are bigger taller with big arms. Flynn dosen't have the prototypical size and arm strength in todays league, he'll be a good career backup imo, i could be wrong but right now i view him as Colt Mccoy 2.0


But it's a big enough sample size to say he's not a starting QB in the NFL? Sounds like a double standard to me. The answer IMO is that the jury is still out. He's shown a LOT of progress since he came out of LSU, when many people didn't think he was even worthy of being a backup in the NFL. You point out the fact that Flynn isn't the prototypical quarterback, but look at the rookie quarterback that just beat out Matt Flynn for the job. Hell, he's even less of a prototypical quarterback than Matt Flynn is. Or how about that quarterback that the Saints have? He's pretty darn good. I'm not disagreeing that you should generally stick to the cookie cutter model, but there are variations to it. If it were set in stone, everyone would have franchise quarterbacks right now.
Of course theres always going to be exceptions to the rule. Drew Breeses sucess comes from his accuracy and pocket presence. Flynn doesn't have that yet. I don't think russel wilson will be the long term answer either. The Newtons Lucks and Flaccos are the future prototypical mold nfl QB.
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Because he had a couple of good games that makes him a legit starter? Granted he made the most of his opportunities here, but if you look around the league the most of your legit successful starting Qbs are bigger taller with big arms. Flynn dosen't have the prototypical size and arm strength in todays league, he'll be a good career backup imo, i could be wrong but right now i view him as Colt Mccoy 2.0


So you trade him in for the 5'10 Russell Wilson? Laughing
Wilson or Flynn are not the long term answer, i guarantee they'll be drafting another Qb high next season.
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Depends, if you trade for Flynn will he agree to take a massive paycut?

If not, no.

I mean, if Rodgers goes down before week 6 and will miss considerable time, you can still trade for him in-season.
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Seriously? What's the point of that?
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Because he had a couple of good games that makes him a legit starter? Granted he made the most of his opportunities here, but if you look around the league the most of your legit successful starting Qbs are bigger taller with big arms. Flynn dosen't have the prototypical size and arm strength in todays league, he'll be a good career backup imo, i could be wrong but right now i view him as Colt Mccoy 2.0


Flynn: 6'2" 225

Rodgers: 6'2" 225
Brees: 6' 201
Brady: 6'4" 225
E.Manning: 6'4" 218
P.Manning: 6'5" 230
Roethlisberger: 6'5" 241

Also: Favre: 6'2 222

All heights and weights via wiki.

He might not have the extra 2" that some of these passers have, but I wouldn't say he has a height disadvantage... The arm strength is the issue here IMO. Not the size.
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Jsitton71# wrote:
CWood21 wrote:
Jsitton71# wrote:
Because he had a couple of good games that makes him a legit starter? Granted he made the most of his opportunities here, but if you look around the league the most of your legit successful starting Qbs are bigger taller with big arms. Flynn dosen't have the prototypical size and arm strength in todays league, he'll be a good career backup imo, i could be wrong but right now i view him as Colt Mccoy 2.0


But it's a big enough sample size to say he's not a starting QB in the NFL? Sounds like a double standard to me. The answer IMO is that the jury is still out. He's shown a LOT of progress since he came out of LSU, when many people didn't think he was even worthy of being a backup in the NFL. You point out the fact that Flynn isn't the prototypical quarterback, but look at the rookie quarterback that just beat out Matt Flynn for the job. Hell, he's even less of a prototypical quarterback than Matt Flynn is. Or how about that quarterback that the Saints have? He's pretty darn good. I'm not disagreeing that you should generally stick to the cookie cutter model, but there are variations to it. If it were set in stone, everyone would have franchise quarterbacks right now.
Of course theres always going to be exceptions to the rule. Drew Breeses sucess comes from his accuracy and pocket presence. Flynn doesn't have that yet. I don't think russel wilson will be the long term answer either. The Newtons Lucks and Flaccos are the future prototypical mold nfl QB.


Personally, I believe you have three different types of quarterbacks there. Newton is a new bread of quarterback that has the size to take the punishment that comes with running the ball more, but he can still throw the ball. Luck seems pretty much what a lot of teams have/look for now, a guy that is smart with his throws and has the arm to make all the throws, while possessing good athleticism to make plays in and out of the pocket if necessary. Flacco is a pure pocket passer that offers little/no ability to run the ball and is not when the pocket collapses, seeing he does not have the same mobility and athleticism as the previous two have. He is a big quarterback that can stand in the pocket and has a big arm, but still athletically very different than Newton and Luck.

I think there has been too much emphasis put on Flynn's height, when looking at the numbers is not a big deal. The average height of a starting quarterback is 6'3, meaning a solid range right now is 6'2-6'4. Also, generally the rule of thumb is you want your quarterback to be at least 6'2 anything smaller can harm his vision and throwing lanes, which some quarterbacks have shown can be overcome a la Brees. The main question I see around Flynn is more arm strength based than height. He seems to see the field cleanly and has good accuracy on his short and medium throws, but does not always have the velocity to drive in the deep throws. He showed in his time here that he has decent mobility and can get out of the pocket and make a play. I cannot see any shortcomings from his height and think that he still will compete for the starting job in Seattle or somewhere else next year and at the very least he will have a long career as a solid backup that teams will feel confident about heading into a season with.
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GoPackGo wrote:
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McCarroll21 wrote:
lol this has to be a joke
Yeah im being a bit facetious, but face it flynn doesn't have what it takes to be a starter in this league. His weak arm strength height and mobility is his handicap. that's why guys like him and Colt Mccoy will never make it as legit starters in this league. Unless they become like Brees or Chad pennington short Qbs with weak arms but deadly accurate passers.


Based on? He played excellent against New England, and if I recall correctly he lit up Detroit's first team defense last year who BTW was trying very hard to win so they would NOT have to play New Orleans in round 1.
Because he had a couple of good games that makes him a legit starter? Granted he made the most of his opportunities here, but if you look around the league the most of your legit successful starting Qbs are bigger taller with big arms. Flynn dosen't have the prototypical size and arm strength in todays league, he'll be a good career backup imo, i could be wrong but right now i view him as Colt Mccoy 2.0


He lost out to Russell Wilson who is 5'11. Matt Flynn is the same size as Aaron Rodgers. What are you talking about dude?

I think the Seahawks are making a huge mistake. I think they should have sat Wilson for a while and let him pick up the offense and run with Flynn for a while. Its foolish to make the decision on your starting QB after a few preseason games. Flynn is the more proven commodity.

He has started two games. Both against playoff teams and he lit it up. He's a gamer. He's at his best when the games count.

I remember Colt McCoy absolutely torching us last year in the preseason. Preseason is different than the regular season. I don't think its safe to say that a guy earned a starting spot because he's looked good in a couple preseason games. I really feel for Matt Flynn.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in for a trade back. Not that contract though. No me gusta.
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strat1080 wrote:
Jsitton71# wrote:
GoPackGo wrote:
Jsitton71# wrote:
McCarroll21 wrote:
lol this has to be a joke
Yeah im being a bit facetious, but face it flynn doesn't have what it takes to be a starter in this league. His weak arm strength height and mobility is his handicap. that's why guys like him and Colt Mccoy will never make it as legit starters in this league. Unless they become like Brees or Chad pennington short Qbs with weak arms but deadly accurate passers.


Based on? He played excellent against New England, and if I recall correctly he lit up Detroit's first team defense last year who BTW was trying very hard to win so they would NOT have to play New Orleans in round 1.
Because he had a couple of good games that makes him a legit starter? Granted he made the most of his opportunities here, but if you look around the league the most of your legit successful starting Qbs are bigger taller with big arms. Flynn dosen't have the prototypical size and arm strength in todays league, he'll be a good career backup imo, i could be wrong but right now i view him as Colt Mccoy 2.0


He lost out to Russell Wilson who is 5'11. Matt Flynn is the same size as Aaron Rodgers. What are you talking about dude?

I think the Seahawks are making a huge mistake. I think they should have sat Wilson for a while and let him pick up the offense and run with Flynn for a while. Its foolish to make the decision on your starting QB after a few preseason games. Flynn is the more proven commodity.

He has started two games. Both against playoff teams and he lit it up. He's a gamer. He's at his best when the games count.

I remember Colt McCoy absolutely torching us last year in the preseason. Preseason is different than the regular season. I don't think its safe to say that a guy earned a starting spot because he's looked good in a couple preseason games. I really feel for Matt Flynn.
They don't base all their decisions on just three preseasons games, they've been practicing everyday and Flynn hasn't really seemed to adapt to the different (and less talented) receiving corps. I wonder if part of Flynn's struggles to pick up the offense has to do with the structure in Seattle; from what I've seen and heard Carroll isn't as disciplined in meetings and practices as McCarthy's ship. I think Flynn is a strong executor of an offense but not a great creator where, for example, a player like Wilson is more creator then executor. If the structure is looser, a player that needs complete understanding of an offense will be slower to pick things up.
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GoPackGo wrote:
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Because he had a couple of good games that makes him a legit starter? Granted he made the most of his opportunities here, but if you look around the league the most of your legit successful starting Qbs are bigger taller with big arms. Flynn dosen't have the prototypical size and arm strength in todays league, he'll be a good career backup imo, i could be wrong but right now i view him as Colt Mccoy 2.0


So you trade him in for the 5'10 Russell Wilson? Laughing


Thing is, that's Wilson's only real set issue. Kids leadership is off that charts, sharp as they come, athletic, and has well above average arm talent and a high release point.

Flynn has much of this also but has very average arm talent. More times than not guys like that take a little time to fall in love with. Reason why I said many times on here that I highly doubt anyone would give up big boy picks for him. Man's arm will always make you think twice.

Can't ask for a better backup than a guy like Flynn when you add it all up. Man's a winner that runs well enough to extend the play and has a style that works with low reps. Can lead men also!

Fact is, there is much that would need to go into building a team that could win a ring with a guy like Flynn as your starting QB.
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justo wrote:
I'm in for a trade back. Not that contract though. No me gusta.


Unless they'd release him (wont happen)...is there any way via a trade that Flynn can re-negotiate for less money? (wont happen)

Just purely a hypothetical question. I was under the impression that once the signature is on the line the guaranteed money is non-negotiable.
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I'm in for a trade back. Not that contract though. No me gusta.


Unless they'd release him (wont happen)...is there any way via a trade that Flynn can re-negotiate for less money? (wont happen)

Just purely a hypothetical question. I was under the impression that once the signature is on the line the guaranteed money is non-negotiable.


I think he can give it back. Players take pay cuts. Not sure about guaranteed money. I know this isn't going to happen but I would love Flynn back
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