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stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject:

khodder wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

That "can't see over the line" thing is valid as a general rule but it's really not for Wilson, as he makes nearly all of his plays outside of the pocket.

That said, one of our best defensive attritrutes is our team speed in open space. And we've played speedy quarterbacks well in the past. Played Vick really well last year in a win, never let his legs beat us. I expect Horton to be well prepared for that game. Our offense against their defense will be another story.

The first part is false. He makes a large proportion of his plays from inside the pocket. The Seattle OL has done a good job of creating throwing lanes for Wilson. The will roll him out and move him around at bit though.

Wilson's OL at Wisconsin was overall bigger than the OL he is playing behind in Seattle. He did not have any troubles seeing over the line there.

I disagree 100%. And I've seen plenty of Wilson, Wisconsin and NC State. Most all of his plays are made on broken plays where he gets outside the pocket.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject:

stchamp98 wrote:

I disagree 100%. And I've seen plenty of Wilson, Wisconsin and NC State. Most all of his plays are made on broken plays where he gets outside the pocket.

They may be outside the pocket, but broken plays, really. A lot of designed roll outs yeah, broken plays, not so much. I have followed Wilson religiously since his Sophomore year at NC State. The kid has always had it. NC State he was often improvising, using his feet to create time before making throws, but at Wisconsin it was very different. He spent a fair amount of time throwing from the pocket and a fair amount of time on designed rollouts, there were very few broken plays in that Wisconsin offense it was so efficient. So far in the preseason in Seattle it has taken on very much a look of that Wisconsin. He has a couple of highlight plays when the play has broken down (Roll out right, throw back across his body for a first down, preseason game one) or he has decided to use his legs (41 yard run up through the middle of the OL for a first down on 3rd and long, preseason game 3).

But the way that offense is designed and the way he has run it has involved quite a few 3 step drop timing patterns to the boundary, a few 5 and 7 step vertical routes, and a fair amount of rollouts and bootlegs.

Also, going backa few posts, the problem Hall had was not vision, it was the wet noodle that was attached to his right shoulder. Max Hall was Kellen Moore before there was Kellen Moore.
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younggun1273

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject:

A lot is made about Wilson's height, but he makes plays, has a strong arm and makes good decisions. For what it's worth I was watching NFL Network and Kurt Warner was saying that he really does not think height is as big of a deal as it is made out to be for QBs. The QBs know where the receivers are supposed to go, they can see between the tackles and Wilson's passes are not knocked down at the line at a rate that suggests his height is truly a problem.
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JeremyB80

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject:

Wilson's Wife is fired up about this decision (i don't know how to post .gifs if anyone wants to help!)

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject:

JeremyB80 wrote:

Wilson's Wife is fired up about this decision (i don't know how to post .gifs if anyone wants to help!)

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My god, that dog.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject:

Hmm. Didn't even cost the Seahawks 3 first rounders and a second rounder. Eat that Shanny.

Chg91

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject:

khodder wrote:

JeremyB80 wrote:

Wilson's Wife is fired up about this decision (i don't know how to post .gifs if anyone wants to help!)

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My god, that dog.

I know! And the puppy, too..

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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:39 am Post subject:

Chg91 wrote:

khodder wrote:

JeremyB80 wrote:

Wilson's Wife is fired up about this decision (i don't know how to post .gifs if anyone wants to help!)

- No thanks needed - khodder

My god, that dog.

I know! And the puppy, too..

I actually lol'ed.
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DudeWhat??

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:53 am Post subject:

11sanchez11 wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I know he is mobile and made a lot of plays in college but he is shorter than Max Hall. Then again mobile QBs tend to kick our butt.

Yeah if he couldn't run then I'd be completely comfortable playing him week one.

What people dont understand is that also, he has a better arm than max hall, he is tougher, he is a more accurate passer short and long throws, he is a better decision maker, he is smarter, he played against better competition in college, he is a better leader...thats the real difference between max and russel..not his speed..thats just for kicks.
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:20 am Post subject:

DudeWhat?? wrote:

11sanchez11 wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I know he is mobile and made a lot of plays in college but he is shorter than Max Hall. Then again mobile QBs tend to kick our butt.

Yeah if he couldn't run then I'd be completely comfortable playing him week one.

Max Hall sucked, so god help him Wilson better be better than Hall.
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stchamp98

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject:

DudeWhat?? wrote:

11sanchez11 wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I know he is mobile and made a lot of plays in college but he is shorter than Max Hall. Then again mobile QBs tend to kick our butt.

Yeah if he couldn't run then I'd be completely comfortable playing him week one.

Better leader mention is pure bull that you just pulled out of nowhere to lengthen your argument, thus making it look stronger. Nothing more.

Every player who ever donned a BYU uni would back that up.
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khodder

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject:

stchamp98 wrote:

DudeWhat?? wrote:

11sanchez11 wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I know he is mobile and made a lot of plays in college but he is shorter than Max Hall. Then again mobile QBs tend to kick our butt.

Yeah if he couldn't run then I'd be completely comfortable playing him week one.

I think what Wilson did, coming into that Wisconsin locker room, not knowing the playbook, not knowing his teammates, and then stepping in as the starting QB, then after spring work being named a team captain is one of the most impressive things I have ever heard of from a collegiate QB.
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stchamp98

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject:

khodder wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

DudeWhat?? wrote:

11sanchez11 wrote:

love2theOLINE wrote:

I know he is mobile and made a lot of plays in college but he is shorter than Max Hall. Then again mobile QBs tend to kick our butt.

Yeah if he couldn't run then I'd be completely comfortable playing him week one.

I don't find it all that amazing, we had a kid at Northern who was in our room for less than a month after transferring from a JuCo, was named one of our team captains and won a national championship(He fights MMA now). It's not that big a deal but I'm not arguing Wilson's leadership qualities to begin with nor do I care to do it now, so I'll give it to you. I'm arguing the statement that Wilson's leadership, which frankly isn't even a measurable trait by any stretch of the imagination, has not greater affect on his teammates than Max Hall's leadership qualities did to his. This guy simply threw it out there as an argument filler.
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Chg91

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject:

stchamp98 wrote:

Who is he?

stchamp98

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject:

Chg91 wrote:

stchamp98 wrote:

Who is he?

Stryder Davis.
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