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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Jared-Allen-Presser---Chargers-Postgame/8821745c-19a8-4827-8d5e-d6c7d70b07c9

Post Game Interview from Jared.

He tells it like it is:
Very happy with how the front 7 played.
Dominated, as they should have against some SD offensive backups
Holding opponent to only FGs
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing Ive noticed, this team needs a motivational coach. Im watching the rebroadcast and they mentioned playing down to their opponent and that has been a problem for years. We have some talented players on this team. We have seen what the best could be. It just doesnt happen for 4 quarters.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this providence wrote:


If I had a nickel for every time Robison ran 3-5 yards behind a QB, I'd have a bleep load of nickels. Feel free to make a move inside.

Can't see this team winning more than 3 games this year and I believe smart money is on 2.


If I had a nickel for every time you mentioned Robison (who had a very good game) in a negative light, I'd have a bleep load of nickels. He almost had a sack on an inside move.

This team didn't look that bad. The offense struggled, but the defense played really well. Smart money is definitely not on 2 wins.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Writing off our 2nd year QB after only his 3rd preseason game with a full off season? not to mention the oline played badly and the WR had the dropsies.

Jumping the gun a bit are we?

Ill reserve judgement until all 16 games are played
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AcE of SPaDEz wrote:
Writing off our 2nd year QB after only his 3rd preseason game with a full off season? not to mention the oline played badly and the WR had the dropsies.

Jumping the gun a bit are we?

Ill reserve judgement until all 16 games are played


This is the only fair way to look at it right now. Certainly, we all are entitled to feel how we want about Ponder but we need to be more understanding of both arguments and not take any contrary opinions so personally. Ponder becoming a successful or an unsuccesful QB will show in time.

I would rather maintain an open mind, one way or another. So if progress isnt shown we move on quickly and if progress is made, for him to be embraced as the starting QB going forward.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the game, I loved watching Jarius Wright back there returning punts. I have never warmed up to Marcus Sherels as a return specialist and his CB play has generally been atrocious, regardless of what Paul Allen seems to say. Man is that guy a Sherels homer. Laughing

Chris Carr has probably been the worst looking CB who stands a chance of making the roster. At this point, id probably stick with Sherels over Carr simply because Sherels can return punts, though I would still prefer Wright as the primary PR.

After this game, I am thinking that WR and CB may be the top two waver priority pickups.

I would like to see Cook, Winfield, Robinson, Bowman and Sherels make the roster with an extra CB signed for depth. Brandon Burton hasnt looked that good either. Perhaps Reggie Jones or Bobby Felder will be surprise players to grab a spot on the roster.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
AcE of SPaDEz wrote:
Writing off our 2nd year QB after only his 3rd preseason game with a full off season? not to mention the oline played badly and the WR had the dropsies.

Jumping the gun a bit are we?

Ill reserve judgement until all 16 games are played


This is the only fair way to look at it right now. Certainly, we all are entitled to feel how we want about Ponder but we need to be more understanding of both arguments and not take any contrary opinions so personally. Ponder becoming a successful or an unsuccesful QB will show in time.

I would rather maintain an open mind, one way or another. So if progress isnt shown we move on quickly and if progress is made, for him to be embraced as the starting QB going forward.


^^^ my mentality as well. 100% agree with this post. I understand if he plays like this during a actual season why fans would be ready to write him off, I personally wouldn't, but I would completely understand. But preseason is just one big practice, so with all the OTA love and last week praise I still looked at ponder with my head sideways thinking "i don't know we will see when the real games start." I'm a fan of this team so if he is still making knucklehead decisions deep into the season I'm looking at Logan Thomas for our future or Bray.

Give the kid time is all I'm asking, hell give the whole team some time. Let's see how it plays out this year then we can pick the players we want gone.

Ps. Sanford preseason or not can lick the back of a porcupine for all I care he is a scrub.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a little late to the forum party but after reading a good portion of everybody's posts, I'll throw in my 2 cents from what I saw last night.

Ponders stat line didnt look great, but he was hurt by a couple drops (which we might have to just accept as the norm given our receiving corps), and that deep throw to Harvin in the 2nd quarter was awesome. He stuck in with pressure in his face.

With that being said, our offense still lacks a breakaway threat that can stretch defenses and teams are going to crowd the line of scrimmage and eventually take away all of our quick bubble screens, and short dumps (still sounds funny). We are a power running team, and our top 3 receiving options are underneath and YAC guys. That seems like a recipe for alot of potential "pick 6's" against our O

I really enjoy when people say Joe Webb can be a starting QB in the NFL. The guy has had zero success throwing the football, even in the games during the season. Literally all of his success has come from his athleticism and escapability when things break down. He is worse then Tebow at throwing the ball (ok maybe not that bad) and he does not have the mental capacity to be a starting QB on a team that wins more then 3 games in the NFL unless his defense is top 1. He is what he is, a nice backup who has a skillset that is certainly usable, but that doesnt mean he is a starter or ever can be. Why can't we just accept that?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you win with an average-ish QB?
Possibly, but everything else needs to be right.

I think you need:
- elite run game to control clock (hopeful check)
- above average special teams to win close games (hopeful check)
- above average defense (need to improve)
- Playmakers on Offense to make plays and help bail out QB (need to improve)

If we go 5-11 this season, and the top 2 QBs are off the board at our draft selection (for example), there are two directions we go:

1) Take 3rd QB off the board
2) Take best Defender or Offensive Playmaker (and ride Ponder or Webb)

or

If we are at a lower selection (worse record) where only 1 QB has been taken off the board, then I think you take the 2nd QB .
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the things I've noticed with Ponder's deep passes is that he gives his receivers a chance to make a play on the ball. It's not always the best looking and lacks velocity, but the deep ball is no longer 5 yards out of bounds, even if the receivers are still running too close to the sidelines.

The Ponder interception was miserable. It was obviously a hot read, not a play where progressions are the problem, but when you are staring at two defenders staring back at you, you can't throw that pass.

Chris Carr is terrible.

Erin Henderson had a bad series in the middle of the second quarter. He really lacks instincts and bites on misdirection very easily.

I like Josh Robinson. That speed is something we haven't seen here for some time.

I have no confidence in Charlie Johnson.

The Vikings have enviable depth at the TE position.

The WRs have terrible hands on this team.

I think Adrian will make all of the difference in the world. As he goes, so go the Vikings this year. Usually I would take more away from this game, but knowing that they will miss Simpson, and that Adrian is an unknown going into the season, I didn't put as much stock into it as I usually do.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's try and keep this thread to the Charger game and get into a debate about Ponder, there is a thread for that. Granted discussing his performance relative to this game is completely appropriate, I just dont want to see this thread becoming too occupied with a discussion related to the long term prospects of Ponder. This is especially concerning for those who want to get more specific post game chatter and how it relates to getting prepared for week 1.
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JDBrocks wrote:
The Ponder interception was miserable. It was obviously a hot read, not a play where progressions are the problem, but when you are staring at two defenders staring back at you, you can't throw that pass.


Agreed, the missed call by the ref. was even worse.

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Chris Carr is terrible.


Agreed.

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Erin Henderson had a bad series in the middle of the second quarter. He really lacks instincts and bites on misdirection very easily.


Henderson does has questionable awareness, which is troubling if he is to ever get considered at MLB. Henderson did have a few good plays that went unnoticed that allowed for Brinkley and Allen getting to the QB.

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I like Josh Robinson. That speed is something we haven't seen here for some time.


A CB with great speed is a treat, it is about time as well.

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I have no confidence in Charlie Johnson.


The interior line played quite well against Buffalo, and seemed to struggle more with SF and SD, two teams who run 3-4 defense. I wonder if Johnson, Sullivan and Fusco are just confused or is it a case of just getting overmatched by bigger 3-4 dlineman.

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The Vikings have enviable depth at the TE position.


Even without John Carlson.

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The WRs have terrible hands on this team.


Harvin made a fantastic catch but the earlier drop was inexcusable form our supposed primary WR. He has to make those catches, hopefully it will come in time.

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I think Adrian will make all of the difference in the world. As he goes, so go the Vikings this year. Usually I would take more away from this game, but knowing that they will miss Simpson, and that Adrian is an unknown going into the season, I didn't put as much stock into it as I usually do.


This was a really good test to see where the offense is without Jerome Simpson. Im glad they sat him. It doesnt look pretty, but the offense should get back John Carlson and Adrian Peterson week 1 so things may be slightly different. Especially when Peterson rips off his first big run and reminds defenses how deadly he is.
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JDBrocks wrote:
The Ponder interception was miserable. It was obviously a hot read, not a play where progressions are the problem, but when you are staring at two defenders staring back at you, you can't throw that pass.


Watching that play over I am curious if Jenkins ran the right route. He was practically within 5 yards of Harvin. Just seemed strange that you would have a set with a player running on top of another in that area of the field.
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Freakout wrote:
JDBrocks wrote:
The Ponder interception was miserable. It was obviously a hot read, not a play where progressions are the problem, but when you are staring at two defenders staring back at you, you can't throw that pass.


Watching that play over I am curious if Jenkins ran the right route. He was practically within 5 yards of Harvin. Just seemed strange that you would have a set with a player running on top of another in that area of the field.


I think he ran the wrong route, but even so, Ponder had to realize what was happening before he threw that ball. The DBs broke on it, so he had time to change his decision. You can see the DB react after turning Jenkins loose.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG -- The sky is falling . . . the sky is falling . . . and Prince Harry is hairless . . . OMG! Laughing

Astonishingly, the pessimism runs deep. This team is going to win a few games in ugly fashion this year. They lost this one . . . so what!

I fully expected the Vikes to crush the chargers since they were playing 2nd stringers against the Vikes starting D. The D kinda held it's own, but not dominating to me.

When you give up a possible 21 points on turnovers in or near the redzone, you lose.

Said it before, and I'll say it again . . . nothing can be determined until this team plays the 49ers and the Lions in late Sept and Oct . . . until then, eh, we can't scream the sky is falling.
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