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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
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the bold is really impressive
the rest is to be expected when you have a qb that throws as much as he does imo. |
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8200153/experts-break-facts-trends-give-their-best-tips-drafting-fantasy-teams-espn-magazine
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| RaiderX wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
Yea I was surprised to hear that stuff on ESPN. Didn't translate to many wins and it was an offense better suited for him. The way he played against a terrible Packers defense was disappointing though. We'll see how much working on his timing has payed off because it was one of his biggest problems even in Cincy. He looks to be in good condition and showed some mobility in preseason. |
You have to play defense to win. Those stats with a good defense would translate to wins.
Ints and taking shots is okay if the defense can make a stop.
Also, GB was the top turnover forcing D. The defense had Oakland in hole that forced them to throw the ball.
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
got link?
the bold is really impressive
the rest is to be expected when you have a qb that throws as much as he does imo. |
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8200153/experts-break-facts-trends-give-their-best-tips-drafting-fantasy-teams-espn-magazine |
But he's an overpaid vet who made bonehead throws and has no swagger..... dummy. EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT!!!
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
got link?
the bold is really impressive
the rest is to be expected when you have a qb that throws as much as he does imo. |
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8200153/experts-break-facts-trends-give-their-best-tips-drafting-fantasy-teams-espn-magazine |
But he's an overpaid vet who made bonehead throws and has no swagger..... dummy. EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT!!! |
Its incredible how unfunny you are with satire, exaggeration and sarcasm. This coming from someone who values those most in comedy.
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| big_palooka wrote: | | RaiderX wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
Yea I was surprised to hear that stuff on ESPN. Didn't translate to many wins and it was an offense better suited for him. The way he played against a terrible Packers defense was disappointing though. We'll see how much working on his timing has payed off because it was one of his biggest problems even in Cincy. He looks to be in good condition and showed some mobility in preseason. |
You have to play defense to win. Those stats with a good defense would translate to wins.
Ints and taking shots is okay if the defense can make a stop.
Also, GB was the top turnover forcing D. The defense had Oakland in hole that forced them to throw the ball. |
it would also help if the offense didnt have 4-5 game stretch with no 2nd half tds.
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | RaiderX wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
Yea I was surprised to hear that stuff on ESPN. Didn't translate to many wins and it was an offense better suited for him. The way he played against a terrible Packers defense was disappointing though. We'll see how much working on his timing has payed off because it was one of his biggest problems even in Cincy. He looks to be in good condition and showed some mobility in preseason. |
You have to play defense to win. Those stats with a good defense would translate to wins.
Ints and taking shots is okay if the defense can make a stop.
Also, GB was the top turnover forcing D. The defense had Oakland in hole that forced them to throw the ball. |
it would also help if the offense didnt have 4-5 game stretch with no 2nd half tds. |
I'm gonna say Bush's poor conditioning (or heavy work load with no relief) and Hues extra conservative second half play calling has a lot to do with that as well.
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
got link?
the bold is really impressive
the rest is to be expected when you have a qb that throws as much as he does imo. |
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8200153/experts-break-facts-trends-give-their-best-tips-drafting-fantasy-teams-espn-magazine |
But he's an overpaid vet who made bonehead throws and has no swagger..... dummy. EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT!!! |
1) to be fair bp didnt include the int #'s. going out on a limb im going to assume they were pretty bad. maybe even top 10 bad.
2) who uses swagger? lol if you are going to mock me at least use appropriate lingo. 
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
got link?
the bold is really impressive
the rest is to be expected when you have a qb that throws as much as he does imo. |
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8200153/experts-break-facts-trends-give-their-best-tips-drafting-fantasy-teams-espn-magazine |
But he's an overpaid vet who made bonehead throws and has no swagger..... dummy. EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT!!! |
1) to be fair bp didnt include the int #'s. going out on a limb im going to assume they were pretty bad. maybe even top 10 bad.
2) who uses swagger? lol if you are going to mock me at least use appropriate lingo. |
You get a guy who's off the couch midseason, not in football shape w/out the team star player and various injuries to his WRs you're going to throw INTs.
When you break them down he had 6 in the first 10 days of joining the team on 4 days practice. 16 total, so over 1/3 coming in minutes of joining a new team.
He had 4 against the Packers, the leader in takeaways. 10 of his 16 INTs came in 3 games.
That's not factoring in issues such as a WR slipping ala Ford against SD or WRs not being where they need to be. That's a time and repetition issue.
Now I'm not pretending that Palmer doesn't throw some bad balls or take shots he shouldn't. I'm saying again, I will take a QB that isn't afraid to take some shots as opposed to a check down machine who is scared to move the chains.
I will also take his leadership and work ethic in the locker room.
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
got link?
the bold is really impressive
the rest is to be expected when you have a qb that throws as much as he does imo. |
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8200153/experts-break-facts-trends-give-their-best-tips-drafting-fantasy-teams-espn-magazine |
But he's an overpaid vet who made bonehead throws and has no swagger..... dummy. EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT!!! |
Its incredible how unfunny you are with satire, exaggeration and sarcasm. This coming from someone who values those most in comedy. |
It's incredible how much you think I care.
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not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | 1) to be fair bp didnt include the int #'s. going out on a limb im going to assume they were pretty bad. maybe even top 10 bad.
2) who uses swagger? lol if you are going to mock me at least use appropriate lingo. |
1) This is where you are the "bonehead throw". You completely fail to put it into context. You simply say b/c he's a vet and he's paid a lot that he should be able to come off the couch, to a BRAND NEW TEAM, and just start tearing it up. Can that thing on your head even begin to comprehend just how terribly impossible that is?????? I'm being 1000000% dead serious here. Your expectations are beyond stupid for Carson b/c you are so damn bias against him, it's probably giving you a tumor. You just get these raging hard ons every time Carson throws and INT and just want to tell everyone about it when I'm sure you made tons of excuses for Russell..... I think I might have to go back and check just to call you out even more on your ridiculous back and forth and hypocrisies. I'm sure there's a billion examples considering you were stilld defending the worst draft pick in NFL history just a couple months ago even after it's all said any done.
Seriously, you are so bias, it's literally bad for your health. Not only that, I don't see how anyone can take anything you say seriously. That might be bad for their health.
2) I'm not stupid enough to say something like that in a literal sense. Maybe if I was 14 and cared about being hip. I will mock however I wish.
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not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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NCough still hasn't admitted Russell was one of the worst QBs of all time, until he does that his opinion is discredited to me.
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| big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
got link?
the bold is really impressive
the rest is to be expected when you have a qb that throws as much as he does imo. |
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8200153/experts-break-facts-trends-give-their-best-tips-drafting-fantasy-teams-espn-magazine |
But he's an overpaid vet who made bonehead throws and has no swagger..... dummy. EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT!!! |
1) to be fair bp didnt include the int #'s. going out on a limb im going to assume they were pretty bad. maybe even top 10 bad.
2) who uses swagger? lol if you are going to mock me at least use appropriate lingo. |
You get a guy who's off the couch midseason, not in football shape w/out the team star player and various injuries to his WRs you're going to throw INTs.
When you break them down he had 6 in the first 10 days of joining the team on 4 days practice. 16 total, so over 1/3 coming in minutes of joining a new team.
He had 4 against the Packers, the leader in takeaways. 10 of his 16 INTs came in 3 games.
That's not factoring in issues such as a WR slipping ala Ford against SD or WRs not being where they need to be. That's a time and repetition issue.
Now I'm not pretending that Palmer doesn't throw some bad balls or take shots he shouldn't. I'm saying again, I will take a QB that isn't afraid to take some shots as opposed to a check down machine who is scared to move the chains.
I will also take his leadership and work ethic in the locker room. |
I love how this works. The good stuff is amazing that he did it of the couch. The bad stuff is oh well he just came off the couch its ok. Cmon. Also he put us down in the Packers game. We was having a great opening drive, he threw a pick that 4 different Packers could have caught.
Now I agree I dont want Jason campbell safe but I dont want Brett Farve bad risk either. Like I pointed out earlier the highest total in the playoffs was 16 picks and that qb made the playoffs on the last Sunday and also had 29 TDs/ It is extremely hard to win games win you turn the ball over. Protecting the ball is one of if not the most important concept a coach tries to teach an offense. So saying I dont mind him throwing a few picks cause he makes plays to is misguided if you want wins. He would have to make a whole lot of darn plays if he throws picks not just a few. |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | 1) to be fair bp didnt include the int #'s. going out on a limb im going to assume they were pretty bad. maybe even top 10 bad.
2) who uses swagger? lol if you are going to mock me at least use appropriate lingo. |
1) This is where you are the "bonehead throw". You completely fail to put it into context. You simply say b/c he's a vet and he's paid a lot that he should be able to come off the couch, to a BRAND NEW TEAM, and just start tearing it up. Can that thing on your head even begin to comprehend just how terribly impossible that is?????? I'm being 1000000% dead serious here. Your expectations are beyond stupid for Carson b/c you are so damn bias against him, it's probably giving you a tumor. You just get these raging hard ons every time Carson throws and INT and just want to tell everyone about it when I'm sure you made tons of excuses for Russell..... I think I might have to go back and check just to call you out even more on your ridiculous back and forth and hypocrisies. I'm sure there's a billion examples considering you were stilld defending the worst draft pick in NFL history just a couple months ago even after it's all said any done.
Seriously, you are so bias, it's literally bad for your health. Not only that, I don't see how anyone can take anything you say seriously. That might be bad for their health.
2) I'm not stupid enough to say something like that in a literal sense. Maybe if I was 14 and cared about being hip. I will mock however I wish. |
such is life. enemies when it comes to cp and allies when it come to dmac. but the same logic is used in both so go figure.
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| 91jmay wrote: | | NCough still hasn't admitted Russell was one of the worst QBs of all time, until he does that his opinion is discredited to me. |
so because i dont agree with you my "opinion is discredited"... ok i see how that works. 
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| dante9876 wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: |
whats this top 10 stuff? |
| Quote: | | In his last eight starts last season, Carson Palmer was fifth in passing yards, seventh in completion percentage, ninth in completions, 10th in attempts, fourth in yards per attempt, tied for second in passing plays of more than 25 yards and tied for 12th in touchdown passes, and he had Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey on the field at the same time in only five games. |
Pretty damn impressive off the couch w/ no DMAC, but all anyone wants to talk about is the INTs. |
got link?
the bold is really impressive
the rest is to be expected when you have a qb that throws as much as he does imo. |
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8200153/experts-break-facts-trends-give-their-best-tips-drafting-fantasy-teams-espn-magazine |
But he's an overpaid vet who made bonehead throws and has no swagger..... dummy. EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT!!! |
1) to be fair bp didnt include the int #'s. going out on a limb im going to assume they were pretty bad. maybe even top 10 bad.
2) who uses swagger? lol if you are going to mock me at least use appropriate lingo. |
You get a guy who's off the couch midseason, not in football shape w/out the team star player and various injuries to his WRs you're going to throw INTs.
When you break them down he had 6 in the first 10 days of joining the team on 4 days practice. 16 total, so over 1/3 coming in minutes of joining a new team.
He had 4 against the Packers, the leader in takeaways. 10 of his 16 INTs came in 3 games.
That's not factoring in issues such as a WR slipping ala Ford against SD or WRs not being where they need to be. That's a time and repetition issue.
Now I'm not pretending that Palmer doesn't throw some bad balls or take shots he shouldn't. I'm saying again, I will take a QB that isn't afraid to take some shots as opposed to a check down machine who is scared to move the chains.
I will also take his leadership and work ethic in the locker room. |
I love how this works. The good stuff is amazing that he did it of the couch. The bad stuff is oh well he just came off the couch its ok. Cmon. Also he put us down in the Packers game. We was having a great opening drive, he threw a pick that 4 different Packers could have caught.
Now I agree I dont want Jason campbell safe but I dont want Brett Farve bad risk either. Like I pointed out earlier the highest total in the playoffs was 16 picks and that qb made the playoffs on the last Sunday and also had 29 TDs/ It is extremely hard to win games win you turn the ball over. Protecting the ball is one of if not the most important concept a coach tries to teach an offense. So saying I dont mind him throwing a few picks cause he makes plays to is misguided if you want wins. He would have to make a whole lot of darn plays if he throws picks not just a few. |
this.
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