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MikeLowrey


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:14 pm    Post subject: Can we finally agree that Big Ben no longer has it? Reply with quote

2 late picks. Constant bad decision after bad decision. He no longer has his defense to carry him and has been off point on his throws.

Is he now below the Elite level category many have put him in?[/img]
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have you seen his OL?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

I'm sure he feels fine about himself.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes he sucks... I didn't know players weren't allowed to be shaky after an injury....

Remember in 2010 when Peyton had 3 bad games in a row,I remember a lot of crap going his way.... Now people are calling him the MVP....

No one is jumping the shark at all...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben was playing like one of the best QBs in the league before his injury.

Since the injury, he has been shaky every week since coming back.

Ben deserves the blame, but saying he has lost it is laughably premature.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Can we finally agree that Big Ben no longer has it? Reply with quote

MikeLowrey wrote:
2 late picks. Constant bad decision after bad decision. He no longer has his defense to carry him and has been off point on his throws.

Is he now below the Elite level category many have put him in?[/img]


He wasn't elite in the first place.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Can we finally agree that Big Ben no longer has it? Reply with quote

MikeLowrey wrote:
2 late picks. Constant bad decision after bad decision. He no longer has his defense to carry him and has been off point on his throws.

Is he now below the Elite level category many have put him in?[/img]


Pump the brakes. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Can we finally agree that Big Ben no longer has it? Reply with quote

Jakuvious wrote:
MikeLowrey wrote:
2 late picks. Constant bad decision after bad decision. He no longer has his defense to carry him and has been off point on his throws.

Is he now below the Elite level category many have put him in?[/img]


He wasn't elite in the first place.


I actually agree, but my criteria for elite is stricter than most...

IMO, there are only 3 or 4 elite QBs.....Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers and Brees.

Ben is in the next tier.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
Ben was playing like one of the best QBs in the league before his injury.

Since the injury, he has been shaky every week since coming back.

Ben deserves the blame, but saying he has lost it is laughably premature.


A good point is the injury factor. I did notice the drop in play from the beginning of the season. I think the sample size is larger in Ben being off.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheesehead430 wrote:
have you seen his OL?

Oh look, the ever so used OL excuse.

Wasn't a problem in past years, though, huh.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Can we finally agree that Big Ben no longer has it? Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
Jakuvious wrote:
MikeLowrey wrote:
2 late picks. Constant bad decision after bad decision. He no longer has his defense to carry him and has been off point on his throws.

Is he now below the Elite level category many have put him in?[/img]


He wasn't elite in the first place.


I actually agree, but my criteria for elite is stricter than most...

IMO, there are only 3 or 4 elite QBs.....Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers and Brees.

Ben is in the next tier.


I agree completely, for precisely the same reason. I have the same elite tier, with Eli and Ben as the step below that. Rivers used to be there with those two, but not anymore.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Can we finally agree that Big Ben no longer has it? Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
Jakuvious wrote:
MikeLowrey wrote:
2 late picks. Constant bad decision after bad decision. He no longer has his defense to carry him and has been off point on his throws.

Is he now below the Elite level category many have put him in?[/img]


He wasn't elite in the first place.


I actually agree, but my criteria for elite is stricter than most...

IMO, there are only 3 or 4 elite QBs.....Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers and Brees.

Ben is in the next tier.


You would absolutely be right. Ben is borderline elite along with Eli
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYGFan101 wrote:
Cheesehead430 wrote:
have you seen his OL?

Oh look, the ever so used OL excuse.

Wasn't a problem in past years, though, huh.


Rolling Eyes


Wait... what? Are you serious?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYGFan101 wrote:
Cheesehead430 wrote:
have you seen his OL?

Oh look, the ever so used OL excuse.

Wasn't a problem in past years, though, huh.


Rolling Eyes


Actually that was considered the biggest problem the past few years since.... 07'.

But no, totally a recent issue. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

I feel as if on FF anytime a QB who is having very good season throws as much as an incompletion a thread is made calling them out and claiming they've been "exposed." Just a month ago before his injury he had a 100+ QB Rating and a 4:1 ratio.
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