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CriminalMind
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OFFENSE / 25 Players
QB 1 Christian Ponder
QB 2 Joe Webb
QB 3 Sage Rosenfels (3)
RB 1 Adrian Peterson
RB 2 Toby Gerhart
RB 3 Matt Asiata (6)
WR 1 Percy Harvin
WR 2 Michael Jenkins
WR 3 Devin Aromashodu
WR 4 Emmanuel Arceneaux
WR 5 Jarius Wright
WR 6 Wavier Pickup (12)
TE 1 Kyle Rudolph
TE 2 John Carlson
TE 3 Allen Reisner
FB/TE Rhett Ellison (16)
LT Matt Kalil
LG Charlie Johnson
C John Sullivan
RG Brandon Fusco
RT Phil Loadholt
OT DeMarcus Love
OG Geoff Schwartz
OT Patrick Brown
OG Joe Berger (25)
DEFENSE / 25 Players
LE Brian Robison
NT Letroy Guion
UT Kevin Williams
RE Jared Allen
DE D'Aundre Reed
DE Everson Griffen
DT Fred Evans
DT Christian Ballard
DE/DT Trevor Guyton (9)
WLB Erin Henderson
MLB Jasper Brinkley
SLB Chad Greenway
LB Tyrone McKenzie
LB Marvin Mitchell
LB Audie Cole (15)
LCB Chris Cook
FS Mistral Raymond
SS Harrison Smith
RCB Josh Robinson
NCB Antoine Winfield
DCB Zack Bowman
CB Marcus Sherels
S Robert Blanton
S Jamarca Sanford
S Andrew Sendejo (25)
SPECIAL TEAMS / 3 Players
K Blair Walsh
P Chris Kluwe
LS Cullen Loeffler (3)
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vikingsrule
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^ I pretty much agree.
I am convinced that Larry Dean will make the roster, however, I have been impressed with McKenzie, so he would be a suitable as well.
I think Stephen Burton would make the cut over Arceneaux, and I like the decision to add a WR from the outside.
I would prefer to see some more DT depth added, not sold on Guyton at this point. |
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LostRoadStone
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Christian Ponder
Joe Webb
Sage Rosenfels
Adrian Peterson
Toby Gerhart
Matt Asiata
Jerome Felton
Kyle Rudolph
John Carlson
Rhett Ellison
Allen Reisner
Percy Harvin
Michael Jenkins
Devin Aromashodu
Stephen Burton
Jarius Wright
Manny Acreneaux/ Jerome Simpson
Matt Kalil
Phil Loadholt
Patrick Brown
Charlie Johnson
Brandon Fusco
Goeff Schwartz
Johnson Sullivan
Joe Berger
Jared Allen
Brian Robison
Everson Griffen
D'Aundre Reed
Kevin Williams
LeTroy Guion
Fred Evans
Christian Ballard
Chad Greenway
Erin Henderson
Marvin Mitchell
Jasper Brinkley
Tyrone McKenzie
Audie Cole
Chris Cook
Antoine Winfield
Chris Carr
Josh Robinson
Zach Bowman
Marcus Sherels
Harrison Smith
Mistral Raymond
Andrew Sendejo
Robert Blanton
Jamarca Sanford
Chris Kluwe
Blair Walsh
Cullen Loeffler
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CriminalMind
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | ^ I pretty much agree.
I am convinced that Larry Dean will make the roster, however, I have been impressed with McKenzie, so he would be a suitable as well.
I think Stephen Burton would make the cut over Arceneaux, and I like the decision to add a WR from the outside.
I would prefer to see some more DT depth added, not sold on Guyton at this point. |
My last move was leaving Larry Dean out and adding other secondary. With the injuries and potential injuries that was my thought process.
I've always thought Frazier preferred Arceneaux over Stephen Burton. Regardless only one should make the 53.
The reason I have Guyton, is based on something that was said, not the totality of his play/framework
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vikingsrule
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| I have really been having a hard time figuring out that 6th LB spot between Tyrone McKenzie and Larry Dean. I think Audie Cole has the 5th LB spot locked up. What does everyone think. I cant see the team carrying more than 6 LBs. |
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CriminalMind
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | I have really been having a hard time figuring out that 6th LB spot between Tyrone McKenzie and Larry Dean. I think Audie Cole has the 5th LB spot locked up. What does everyone think. I cant see the team carrying more than 6 LBs. |
To me I dont think we cant justify carrying more then 6 LB right now, since its a completely healthy set. The secondary is banged up and the WR corps is shaky.
Along with that the benefit of Larry Dean on special teams, will be reduced a bit with more touchbacks by Blair.
Add to that Everson can still do spot duty if needed shortterm or in special packages.
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vike daddy
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someone named Aj Mansour of KFAN.com predicts we will CUT Joe Webb. sheesh.
arguments have been made about trading him, and even those are thin, but CUTTING him with no compensation?
Simply put, Joe Webb cannot help the Vikings win football games. Nobody can take away the fact that he is a freak athlete. Nobody can deny that he is a hard worker and a good teammate. But as a below average NFL quarterback and a below average NFL receiver he might just be wasting a roster spot on this team. In limited exposure this preseason, both Sage Rosenfels and McLeod Bethel-Thompson (MBT) have proven that they may be better at "quarterbacking" a team than Joe Webb.
MBT had a very impressive Training Camp, as far as fourth string quarterbacks can go. He proved to be a young gunslinger with a great attitude and a big arm. I believe that the Vikings went through camp trying their best not to let on how much they actually liked MBT in hopes that they could sneak him onto the practice squad before the regular season. In my mind, that won't work. Even with limited game time, I don't think that MBT would make it through waivers if the Vikings cut him.
Mark my words, if McLeod Bethel-Thompson comes out Thursday night and has a solid performance he will make this team in the place of Joe Webb.
What do you think?
http://www.kfan.com/pages/vikingsblog.html?article=10378932#ixzz24xyB86W4
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vikingsrule
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| ^ Seems a bit harsh on Webb. Id probably prefer Webb as my backup than Rosenfels at this point. Webb's job is safe, barring a trade offer that was simply too good to pass. If MBT plays well, it will be Rosenfels who should be concerned. |
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nor has MBT "proven" anything, let alone that he is more useful to the team than Webb, as the guy stated.
i think sports media guys write blog posts like that to get webhits so they can show their boss and say, "See? Guys respond to what I have to say!"
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vikingsrule
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I will take one more shot at the 53.
QB (3) - Christian Ponder, Joe Webb, Sage Rosenfels
RB (3) - Adrian Peterson, Toby Gerhart, Matt Asiata
WR (5) - Percy Harvin, Michael Jenkins, Devin Aromashodu, Stephen Burton, Jarius Wright
TE (4) - Kyle Rudolph, John Carlson, Rhett Ellison, Allen Reisner
OT (4) - Matt Kalil, Phil Loadholt, DeMarcus Love, Patrick Brown
OG (4) - Charlie Johnson, Brandon Fusco, Geoff Schwartz, Joe Berger (#2 C)
C (1) - John Sullivan
DE (4) - Jared Allen, Brian Robison, Everson Griffen, D'Aundre Reed
DT (5) - Kevin Williams, Letroy Guion, Fred Evans, Christian Ballard, FREE AGENT
OLB (4) - Chad Greenway, Erin Henderson, Marvin Mitchell, Larry Dean
MLB (2) - Jasper Brinkley, Audie Cole
CB (6) - Chris Cook, Josh Robinson, Antoine Winfield, Chris Carr, Zach Bowman, Marcus Sherels
S (5) - Mistral Raymond, Harrison Smith, Jamarca Sanford, Robert Blanton, Andrew Sendejo
ST (3) - Blair Walsh, Chris Kluwe, Cullen Loeffler
Top Practice Squad Candidates:
QB McLeod Bethel-Thompson
RB Jordan Todman
WR Manny Arceneaux
TE Mickey Shuler
OG Chris DeGeare
DE Trevor Guyton
DT Chase Baker
LB Solomon Elimimian
CB Reggie Jones
CB Bobby Felder
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Ponder > Rosenfels > MBT > Webb.
Doesn't seem too complicated to me. Webb is just flat out not an NFL QB.
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vikingsrule
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| vike daddy wrote: | nor has MBT "proven" anything, let alone that he is more useful to the team than Webb, as the guy stated.
i think sports media guys write blog posts like that to get webhits so they can show their boss and say, "See? Guys respond to what I have to say!" |
Another way of looking at it is trying to find the best way to keep all four. MBT is the only one who is practice squad eligible and who is going to claim him on their active roster? Unlike in 2007 when Thigpen was claimed by KC, the 3rd QB rule no longer exists. |
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| vike daddy wrote: | someone named Aj Mansour of KFAN.com predicts we will CUT Joe Webb. sheesh.
arguments have been made about trading him, and even those are thin, but CUTTING him with no compensation?
Simply put, Joe Webb cannot help the Vikings win football games. Nobody can take away the fact that he is a freak athlete. Nobody can deny that he is a hard worker and a good teammate. But as a below average NFL quarterback and a below average NFL receiver he might just be wasting a roster spot on this team. In limited exposure this preseason, both Sage Rosenfels and McLeod Bethel-Thompson (MBT) have proven that they may be better at "quarterbacking" a team than Joe Webb.
MBT had a very impressive Training Camp, as far as fourth string quarterbacks can go. He proved to be a young gunslinger with a great attitude and a big arm. I believe that the Vikings went through camp trying their best not to let on how much they actually liked MBT in hopes that they could sneak him onto the practice squad before the regular season. In my mind, that won't work. Even with limited game time, I don't think that MBT would make it through waivers if the Vikings cut him.
Mark my words, if McLeod Bethel-Thompson comes out Thursday night and has a solid performance he will make this team in the place of Joe Webb.
What do you think?
http://www.kfan.com/pages/vikingsblog.html?article=10378932#ixzz24xyB86W4 |
It's just 11 days until the opener and maybe then all this nonsense will stop.
Maybe I'm wrong in believing that what a player does in December matters a lot more than what he does in August, but I doubt it.
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What is Rosenfels going to contribute to this team, in all honesty?
If they want to hold on to the MBT kid in the extremely small chance that he ever becomes even a career back up, it's a rather easy decision to be made. Cut bait with Rosenfels. Webb has indeed shown that he can provide an element that a capable coordinator can properly scheme with if he needs to start. When Rosenfels in the mix, the game plan is attempt to hold your head above water...
If the team is dead set on keeping Rosenfels, then you also have to be okay with risking MBT on waivers.
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| this providence wrote: | What is Rosenfels going to contribute to this team, in all honesty?
If they want to hold on to the MBT kid in the extremely small chance that he ever becomes even a career back up, it's a rather easy decision to be made. Cut bait with Rosenfels. Webb has indeed shown that he can provide an element that a capable coordinator can properly scheme with if he needs to start. When Rosenfels in the mix, the game plan is attempt to hold your head above water...
If the team is dead set on keeping Rosenfels, then you also have to be okay with risking MBT on waivers. |
Agreed, there is a risk. But it is exceedingly lower than in previous years since teams no longer have to have three qbs on the roster. Is MBT a top 60-80 QB right now? Will MBT be worth having on a roster as a #3 QB for other teams? |
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