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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: The Sam Baker trade 4 years later, do you still do it? Reply with quote

Looking back at this trade. and honestly, the Falcons screwed the pooch with it IMO...

They traded:
2nd round pick (#34 overall) - WR Devin Thomas
2nd round pick (#48 overall) - TE Fred Davis
4th round pick (#103 overall) - whole bunch of nothing picks traded for it.


They got:
1st round pick (#21 overall) - OL Sam Baker
3rd round pick (#84 overall) - WR Harry Douglas
5th round pick (#154 overall) - DE Kroy Biermann


But let's look at who the Falcons could have gotten:
2 - 34 - WR Jordy Nelson
2 - 48 - DL Calais Campbell
4 - 103 - OT Anthony Collins

Just saying...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: The Sam Baker trade 4 years later, do you still do it? Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
Looking back at this trade. and honestly, the Falcons screwed the pooch with it IMO...

They traded:
2nd round pick (#34 overall) - WR Devin Thomas
2nd round pick (#48 overall) - TE Fred Davis
4th round pick (#103 overall) - whole bunch of nothing picks traded for it.


They got:
1st round pick (#21 overall) - OL Sam Baker
3rd round pick (#84 overall) - WR Harry Douglas
5th round pick (#154 overall) - DE Kroy Biermann


But let's look at who the Falcons could have gotten:
2 - 34 - WR Jordy Nelson
2 - 48 - DL Calais Campbell
4 - 103 - OT Anthony Collins

Just saying...


It is a good point but the whole argument about Nelson, Campbell, and Collins is all based on what we know now about them so i dont think that would been our picks but i think if we didnt trade we would hav been better off because so far Baker has been a disappointment 2 say the least n thats y we traded up.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: The Sam Baker trade 4 years later, do you still do it? Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
Looking back at this trade. and honestly, the Falcons screwed the pooch with it IMO...

They traded:
2nd round pick (#34 overall) - WR Devin Thomas
2nd round pick (#48 overall) - TE Fred Davis
4th round pick (#103 overall) - whole bunch of nothing picks traded for it.


They got:
1st round pick (#21 overall) - OL Sam Baker
3rd round pick (#84 overall) - WR Harry Douglas
5th round pick (#154 overall) - DE Kroy Biermann


But let's look at who the Falcons could have gotten:
2 - 34 - WR Jordy Nelson
2 - 48 - DL Calais Campbell
4 - 103 - OT Anthony Collins

Just saying...

In 2000 the Falcons could have drafted Tom Brady...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: The Sam Baker trade 4 years later, do you still do it? Reply with quote

CrazyFalcon84 wrote:
scar988 wrote:
Looking back at this trade. and honestly, the Falcons screwed the pooch with it IMO...

They traded:
2nd round pick (#34 overall) - WR Devin Thomas
2nd round pick (#48 overall) - TE Fred Davis
4th round pick (#103 overall) - whole bunch of nothing picks traded for it.


They got:
1st round pick (#21 overall) - OL Sam Baker
3rd round pick (#84 overall) - WR Harry Douglas
5th round pick (#154 overall) - DE Kroy Biermann


But let's look at who the Falcons could have gotten:
2 - 34 - WR Jordy Nelson
2 - 48 - DL Calais Campbell
4 - 103 - OT Anthony Collins

Just saying...


It is a good point but the whole argument about Nelson, Campbell, and Collins is all based on what we know now about them so i dont think that would been our picks but i think if we didnt trade we would hav been better off because so far Baker has been a disappointment 2 say the least n thats y we traded up.

funny thing is... the names I put in, were put in the day after the draft and saved on a spreadsheet from 2008...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think HD and kroy were great picks, we just should have drafted a different person to be our franchise LT

someone with longer arms, someone not a product of their system, someone not so injury prone.. someone like Duane Brown
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShockdAtFalcons wrote:
I still think HD and kroy were great picks, we just should have drafted a different person to be our franchise LT

someone with longer arms, someone not a product of their system, someone not so injury prone.. someone like Duane Brown


Yeah the kroy and Hd pick wasnt bad picks. If we could have gotten a better lt at that pick it wouldnt be a bad draft
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShockdAtFalcons wrote:
I still think HD and kroy were great picks, we just should have drafted a different person to be our franchise LT

someone with longer arms, someone not a product of their system, someone not so injury prone.. someone like Duane Brown
But how much better would the line have been with Calais Campbell, and Nelson > Douglas. Collins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baker
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

definitely wouldnt have done it. Baker is bad. Biermann has shown to be nothing special, and HD is good, but he isnt elite, and his skill set could have been found in many other drafts.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, not at all.

yea, we did need a LT at the time. I understand why we made the trade. However, I never was a Baker fan to begin with. I didn't think HE was worth the 1st round pick.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The road to hell is paved of good intentions"

Was it a mistake? Yes, but it was the right thing to do in 2008. We just drafted our 'franchise' QB and we had a huge whole at the LT position. Tackles were running of the board like hot bread and moving up was theoretically the right thing to do. We couldn't leave that draft without an LT to protect Ryan. Baker was the best one available.

It didn't work well and of course I wouldn't repeat the trade, but there should be no regret about it. It's like when your corporation has a negative month albeit you did everything right within what the economy books say, you just assume costs and move on.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jammal Anderson was a bigger bust than any pick we have had thus far. Look how far back that pick put our Defensive Line. And look at all the guys we could have picked. Willis, Revis etc...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im not even mad bout the Sam Baker trade. yeah we jumped up to get him and he hasnt panned out but im more upset with the JA98 pick in '07 more then the Baker pick up in '08. we coulda had Patrick Willis or Darelle Revis!!!!!!! sad thing is i KNEW JA98 was gonna be a bust. smh.....
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tech2186 wrote:
Jammal Anderson was a bigger bust than any pick we have had thus far. Look how far back that pick put our Defensive ine. And look at all the guys we could have picked. Willis, Revis etc...


that selection still gives me chills.

going after a converted TE that pretty much just started playing DE.. and taking him in the top 10? we are better than that...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar988 wrote:
ShockdAtFalcons wrote:
I still think HD and kroy were great picks, we just should have drafted a different person to be our franchise LT

someone with longer arms, someone not a product of their system, someone not so injury prone.. someone like Duane Brown
But how much better would the line have been with Calais Campbell, and Nelson > Douglas. Collins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baker


Hindsight is 20/20. I dont care if thats who you wanted to draft, you can only say theyre better because you know how they turned out
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Campbell didnt fit our 4-3 scheme so theres no way we wouldve drafted him. Yes I wouldve done the trade, but I wouldve drafted Duane Brown of the Texans instead.
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