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vikingsrule
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Polaris, the Vikes failures the past two years cant all be put on the decision to bring back Favre. Its was a combination of things. Failure to develop new talent, failure to replace old/aging players, failure to have a QB who could develop behind Favre, etc. Of course the decision to bring back Favre for $20M hurt the team financial from 2010 to 2011 when the money could have been spent on other areas on the roster with more long-term free agents, however, this team needed a drastic rebuild regardless if #4 was under center.
In hindsight, bringing back Favre looks like a terrible decision, but had the team played like they did in 2009, no one would be questioning it. I still think it was a very risky decision and an extremely short sighted decision, but whats done is done. In the end, it got Childress fired and forced the team to rebuild, two necessities the Vikes needed for the long term. |
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My issue is not with Favre Take the Money and Run season.
My issue is with Wilf throwing $20 million at him and Childress begging Favre to come back, AFTER Favre blew off the whole off-season.
Childress put his whole career on the line and broke many of his own rules to the detriment of the TEAM. He deserved to be fired for even allowing Favre to come back. He should have placed the onus on Favre to show he was ready and willing to do what it takes, instead of sending his three team captains to Mississippi to embarrass themselves.
A Favre without a chip on his shoulder is no better than a Billy Jack without a roundhouse kick. |
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Badger75
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| Uncle Buck wrote: | I really believed that Favre didn't want to come back in 2010 because he knew that he physically just didn't have any left in the tank. In the end, he decided to play for that last year for the following three reasons:
1) $20 million is a LOT of money.
2) His teammates begged him to come back and he couldn't turn the down.
3) Even if Favre couldn't play at top of his game, the Vikings weren't going to do as well without him, so why not come back? |
Uncle Buck, what is your opinion of Brett Favre ever pursuing a coaching career? Twenty years of pro football he must have accumulated a vast array of knowledge. Mike Holmgren, the old USC QB just might have taught him a few tricks. He is still young. He is coaching his local HS. Could Mississippi St. be in his future? a few years in the NCAA and he just might return to Lambeau as an OC. 
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Vikefan79
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I'd like to see him as Green Bay's next GM
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| since72 wrote: | My issue is not with Favre Take the Money and Run season.
My issue is with Wilf throwing $20 million at him and Childress begging Favre to come back, AFTER Favre blew off the whole off-season.
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Childress was not over the moon at the prospect of Favre shirking OTAs and training camp, and it's not at all clear that he wanted Favre back under those circumstances.
There was definitely tension between the two from the minute Favre showed up in 2010. I suspect it was a major factor in getting Childress fired, because Zygi had a handshake agreement with Favre and was paying him all that money. I remember that on at least one occasion Childress publicly criticized Favre at a post-game press conference and it was a big deal at the time.
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since72
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| milanb wrote: | | since72 wrote: | My issue is not with Favre Take the Money and Run season.
My issue is with Wilf throwing $20 million at him and Childress begging Favre to come back, AFTER Favre blew off the whole off-season.
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Childress was not over the moon at the prospect of Favre shirking OTAs and training camp, and it's not at all clear that he wanted Favre back under those circumstances.
There was definitely tension between the two from the minute Favre showed up in 2010. I suspect it was a major factor in getting Childress fired, because Zygi had a handshake agreement with Favre and was paying him all that money. I remember that on at least one occasion Childress publicly criticized Favre at a post-game press conference and it was a big deal at the time. |
Sorry, I have a different recollection.
Childress was the one that drove Favre to his first Viking training camp. There was absolutely NO tension until later in the season when Childress wanted to pull Favre from a game (right thing to do under the circumstances) but Favre refused to come out. There was tension after that.
Not all that clear that Childress wanted him back after those circumstances??? Childress voiced absolutely no discontent over Favre blowing off the whole off-season and it was Childress that sent Hutch, Allen and Longwell to Mississippi (allowing them to miss a few days of training camp) to do whatever it took to bring Favre back to Minnesota.
In fact, when Peterson also blew off a mandatory minicamp that summer, Childress handled that pretty much behind closed doors. It was clear the inmates were running the asylum at that point and it was completely Childress's fault for allowing Favre to run the show. He lost control of the team and dug his own grave. |
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SteelKing728
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| milanb wrote: | | since72 wrote: | My issue is not with Favre Take the Money and Run season.
My issue is with Wilf throwing $20 million at him and Childress begging Favre to come back, AFTER Favre blew off the whole off-season.
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Childress was not over the moon at the prospect of Favre shirking OTAs and training camp, and it's not at all clear that he wanted Favre back under those circumstances.
There was definitely tension between the two from the minute Favre showed up in 2010. I suspect it was a major factor in getting Childress fired, because Zygi had a handshake agreement with Favre and was paying him all that money. I remember that on at least one occasion Childress publicly criticized Favre at a post-game press conference and it was a big deal at the time. |
I think it was in 2010 and we were losing to Carolina. He wanted to pull Favre and let Jackson come in relief of him.
We ended up losing that game, and the media started going crazy over Childress and Favre.
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There was always tension between Favre and Childress. At the high point of the relationship, it was just a minor annoyance, sort of like between 2 guys debating about whether they think the Olsen Twins or Lynda Carter is hotter. In other words, not enough an annoyance to not get along, but still different enough in personality tastes to have little in common.
However, when they severely disagreed on something more important, like Favre's audibling of plays, that just amplified everything, including those minor annoyances, thus creating greater tension between the two.
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vikingsrule
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Interesting opinion from a respected player in Ben Leber.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/ex-viking-leber-on-favre-he-wasnt-really-committed-to-us/
| Quote: | “He clearly wasn’t mentally and emotionally into it, and that’s the thing that kind of bugged me,” Leber said. “I get it, you’ve got to make the money when you can make it, even though he has made hundreds of millions of dollars. When he says it’s about the money, it just means that he wasn’t committed to us. So that irritated me a little bit, not for him taking the money, but for what it really meant.”
Leber said he perceived Favre’s general attitude in 2010 as, “You know, I’ll kind of stagger back in here, and I’ll give you guys what I’ve got, but I just know wholeheartedly I don’t have it in me, and the money’s too good to pass up.” And Leber said he didn’t like having a teammate who felt that way.
“If that’s the case, move on,” Leber said. “I’d rather go with somebody that’s maybe less talented, that’s 100 percent committed to us winning. It bugged me a little bit. I’m not going to say I lost sleep over it, but it bugged me.” |
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vike daddy
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i totally agree with Leber's assessment, but the problem wasn't really with Favre in 2010, it was with Childress begging him to join the team. we talk about Favre having a lack of leadership in his position, but Childress should have had even more.
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| vike daddy wrote: | | i totally agree with Leber's assessment, but the problem wasn't really with Favre in 2010, it was with Childress begging him to join the team. we talk about Favre having a lack of leadership in his position, but Childress should have had even more. |
Agreed. Childress didnt have any control or leadership over the team. Favre pretty much had control of the situation, and Wilf has an open wallet. Pretty much a messy situation form the get go with little leadership. I think back in Aug 2010, most just assumed the team would have had similar success as the previous year, but Favre wasnt buying it. The veteran leaders (Allen and Hutch) seemed to demonstrate a similar desperation but 2010 proved Childress just didnt have the leadership to control the situation, hence why he sent players to Mississippi. |
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| disaacs wrote: | There was always tension between Favre and Childress. At the high point of the relationship, it was just a minor annoyance, sort of like between 2 guys debating about whether they think the Olsen Twins or Lynda Carter is hotter. In other words, not enough an annoyance to not get along, but still different enough in personality tastes to have little in common.
However, when they severely disagreed on something more important, like Favre's audibling of plays, that just amplified everything, including those minor annoyances, thus creating greater tension between the two. |
Lynda Carter ....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 
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