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Rolni


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:01 am    Post subject: Salary Cap now and in the future--EDIT--we have 6M cap room Reply with quote

Hi!

I have been working on an up to date salary cap calculation for a while now.
I checked out rotoworld and spotrac for numbers and also multiple articles for the bigger deals.
The number I got is better then the numbers which are thrown around in the internet, but I can't find every players number. I put it up here and if any of you have some valid information, pls let me know so we might end up with a realistic cap space figure.

I have 56.023.000 as salary with 30.208.167 as bonus. I count Branch with his 6.212.000 tag number, since we have no info on his new number. I count 20.225.000as dead money after Routt, Wimbley, CJ, Henderson, Hiram and Boss.
That's 112.668.167 against the 120.600.000 salary cap.
I have 7.400.000 for the rookie deals and for some "missing" deals...see below.

Here is my list of missing players, who probably will be on the final roster
Name(projected cap number by me)
Matt Leinart(2M)
Tory Humphrey(500K)
Juron Criner(500K)
Rod Streater(400K)
Tony Bergstrom(800K)
Matt Giordano(800K)
Jack Crawford(600K)
Christo Bilukidi(500K)
Dominique Hamilton(400K)
Miles Burris(500K)
Nate Stupar(400K)


That's 120.068.167 against the 120.600.000 cap, which would mean 531.833 cap room.
We brough 3.077.427 cap room form 2011, so our salary cap stands at 123.677.427, which means we have 3.609.260 cap space now and possibly a little bit more with the long term deal for Branch. I think 2M or even 3M could be the "Branch effect", which means 5,6M-6,6M cap room.

This means IMO that we will be able to grab 1 or 2 solid players when the cuts begin...

As for the upcoming years...
We have some big contracts down the road, but the worst ones are already cleared. McFadden, Palmer, Seymour, Kelly, Huff, DHB, Branch, Brisiel, Curry, McClain and Jano falls in to the bigger deal cathegory IMO.
These deals would cost us around 75M, however there are some deal which should be reviewed (Kelly, DHB, DMC, Palmer).

We will have some notable UFA's who could be in line for new deals:
Reece, Bryant, Lechler, Bartell, Shaughnessy, Wheeler

After this year they will have to make some tough decisions IMO, but after that our team should be among the solid ones in finance\cap wise.

After this year they will have to make a decision on DMC, DHB and Palmer on the offensive side IMO. If DMC can't stay healthy he should re-structure just like DHB if he can't become a 1000+ yarder #1 WR. Palmer has to put up solid numbers too to earn his roster spot with that 16M cap number too...

On defense they will have to decide what to do with Rolando (legal issue and on field production) and they will figure out what to do with Bryant, Shaughnessy, Seymour and Kelly IMO. Sey and Kelly will earn a ton and you can't pay Shaggy and Bryant next to them (if these young guys have good seasons). I think Kelly could be in line for a cut, while the youngsters get some solid win-win deals.

They will have to decide about Bartell, Spencer, Wheeler. Hopefully they play well and we can keep who we want for reasonable price.

Lechler will be gone IMO if he goes for the money. I can't see RM giving him huge deal. It will be interesting whether he will stay for less on an upcoming team, which already paid him for life...


So overall I think we will be able to fill the roster with solid guys this year and the next offseason with the FA's, "full" draft will be really exciting...that would determine our short-medium term success IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Paul Gutierrez we have 5.159M cap space after the Branch deal.
He think the only unsigned guys left are Bergstrom and Criner, which will take a little bit more then 1M IMO, so we will have around 4M to spend. This is pretty similar to my math!

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/Exactly-how-much-cap-space-does-Branch-d?blockID=742247&feedID=7638

Branch deal looks like this:
4 year 26.6M total, with 17.1M guaranteed and with 5.6M signing bonus.
250.000 pro bowl bonus is there in every year for him.
2012: 1M salary + 1.4M signing bonus = 2.4M cap figure + .25M pro bowl

2013: 9.5M salary + 1.4M signing bonus = 10.9M cap figure + .25M pro bowl

2014: 4M salary + 1.4M signing bonus = 5.4M cap figure + .25M pro bowl

2015: 6.5M salary + 1.4M signing bonus = 7.9M cap figure + .25M pro bowl
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last paragraph in Gutierrez's article;
The Raiders still have two unsigned draft picks in third-round offensive lineman Tony Bergstrom and fifth-round compensatory pick and receiver Juron Criner, though with the formula of only the top 51 salaries counting against the cap at the moment, their eventual signings should not affect the number all that much.
I didn't know that about the cap. Maybe Bergstrom's and almost certainly Criners deal may not affect the cap.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolni wrote:
2013 10.9M


Shocked I don't think we're gonna have much room next year either.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
2013 10.9M


Shocked I don't think we're gonna have much room next year either.


We will see...we won't have the dead money effect which will be huge...we are talking about 20M...

And if we can keep every important UFA, sign 1 or 2 quality UFA and have a "full" draft we could be a seriously upgraded team with the guys 1 year in the system...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82aac4dd/article/inside-tyvon-branchs-new-oakland-raiders-contract

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*In looking at the Raiders' long-term cap situation, they have fewer than 50 players signed for the 2013 season. Before base-salary escalators and incentives, those players account for $130 million in salary-cap dollars. With the cap expected to remain flat, cuts and restructures are likely. There is no offset language on Branch's contract regarding his 2012 base salary, 2013 roster bonus and most (75 percent) of his 2013 base salary, which should place Branch and his $10.9 million cap number next season on the "restructure candidate" list.


We don't have a lot of money available next year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolni wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
2013 10.9M


Shocked I don't think we're gonna have much room next year either.


We will see...we won't have the dead money effect which will be huge...we are talking about 20M...


We won't but every player we restructured this year was given the minimum base salary for 2012. Their base salaries for 2013 will take a huge jump.

I don't really understand why Branch's contract was structured that way. I would have kept his 2012 cap hit a bit higher and lower it in 2013. The cap room we created for this year will be spent on depth which i'd have been willing to pass on to open up more room for next year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
2013 10.9M


Shocked I don't think we're gonna have much room next year either.


We will see...we won't have the dead money effect which will be huge...we are talking about 20M...


We won't but every player we restructured this year was given the minimum base salary for 2012. Their base salaries for 2013 will take a huge jump.

I don't really understand why Branch's contract was structured that way. I would have kept his 2012 cap hit a bit higher and lower it in 2013. The cap room we created for this year will be spent on depth which i'd have been willing to pass on to open up more room for next year.


IMO, it's similar to being poor. When you don't have a lot of money then the impact of every transition is magnified. McKenzie's working margin is still razor thin. He has to be prepared to compensate for injuries, potential trades, cuts, etc. Everyone who restructured this season will get hit up again +Branch, DMC, DHB.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys!!

According to Pro Football Talk we have 6M cap room right now.



I have it this way:
Salary: 54.800.973
Bonus: 39.935.276
Dead Money: 22.914.178
2011 cap turn over: 3.077.427
Salary cap: 120.600.000
Cap room: 6.000.000

This calculation is based on the final roster.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolni wrote:
Hey guys!!

According to Pro Football Talk we have 6M cap room right now.



I have it this way:
Salary: 54.800.973
Bonus: 39.935.276
Dead Money: 22.914.178
2011 cap turn over: 3.077.427
Salary cap: 120.600.000
Cap room: 6.000.000

This calculation is based on the final roster.

Does this calculation include borrowed money from future years?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TiberiusRising wrote:
Rolni wrote:
Hey guys!!

According to Pro Football Talk we have 6M cap room right now.



I have it this way:
Salary: 54.800.973
Bonus: 39.935.276
Dead Money: 22.914.178
2011 cap turn over: 3.077.427
Salary cap: 120.600.000
Cap room: 6.000.000

This calculation is based on the final roster.

Does this calculation include borrowed money from future years?

What do you mean?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolni wrote:
TiberiusRising wrote:
Rolni wrote:
Hey guys!!

According to Pro Football Talk we have 6M cap room right now.



I have it this way:
Salary: 54.800.973
Bonus: 39.935.276
Dead Money: 22.914.178
2011 cap turn over: 3.077.427
Salary cap: 120.600.000
Cap room: 6.000.000

This calculation is based on the final roster.

Does this calculation include borrowed money from future years?

What do you mean?


Looking at your numbers it does not appear that it does. Which is good because we are not taking money from next seasons Cap as we did last year.

"Although the NFL set the 2012 cap figure at $120,600,000, teams may borrow up to (approximately) $2,000,000 from future years, effectively setting the cap at $122,600,000."
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
2013 10.9M


Shocked I don't think we're gonna have much room next year either.

Tommy Kelly 2013 cap hit: $ 9.3 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/tommy-kelly/

Richard Seymour 2013 cap hit: $ 16.3 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/richard-seymour/

Carson Palmer 2013 cap hit: $ 16.8 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/carson-palmer/

DMC 2013 cap hit: $ 7.8 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/darren-mcfadden/

DHB 2013 cap hit: $ 10.6 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/darius-heyward-bey/

Rolando McClain 2013 cap hit: $ 6.6 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/rolando-mcclain/

Tyvon Branch 2013 cap hit: $ 10.9 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/tyvon-branch/

Michael Huff 2013 cap hit : $ 11.2 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/michael-huff/

We will have money to spend next year simply because one or two of these guys will either be cut or traded before next season, unless all these players turn out to be probowlers this year and we make a run for a SB (yeah right),
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Roninho wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
2013 10.9M


Shocked I don't think we're gonna have much room next year either.

Tommy Kelly 2013 cap hit: $ 9.3 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/tommy-kelly/

Richard Seymour 2013 cap hit: $ 16.3 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/richard-seymour/

Carson Palmer 2013 cap hit: $ 16.8 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/carson-palmer/

DMC 2013 cap hit: $ 7.8 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/darren-mcfadden/

DHB 2013 cap hit: $ 10.6 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/darius-heyward-bey/

Rolando McClain 2013 cap hit: $ 6.6 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/rolando-mcclain/

Tyvon Branch 2013 cap hit: $ 10.9 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/tyvon-branch/

Michael Huff 2013 cap hit : $ 11.2 million
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/michael-huff/

We will have money to spend next year simply because one or two of these guys will either be cut or traded before next season, unless all these players turn out to be probowlers this year and we make a run for a SB (yeah right),


Well, that's 8 players counting around 86M against the cap. We surely will have to do something about some of them just to get under the cap. As far as having room to operate under it, it's a whole different story.
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Man, Kelly's contract seems like a bargain compared to Seymour's. Esp considering hes outplayed him the last two years.
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