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Mr. V
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 Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject: Gene Smith - Wayne Weaver's "Yes Man" |
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| Quote: | I don't normally listen to "Prime Time" on 1010XL in Jacksonville, but I was alerted to a segment where Mark Long of the Associated Press was sitting in and co-hosting, as he's often a guest on the show. Long, who covers the Jacksonville Jaguars for the AP, said something very interesting regarding general manager Gene Smith and about his tenure under Wayne Weaver.
"I don't think there was any question that Wayne Weaver was trying to do this thing (build a roster) on the cheap," Long told host Ryan "Hacker" Green. "Especially when he was trying to sell the franchise, working out the details with Shad Khan. He didn't want a lot of big money contracts, he didn't want a bunch of long term contracts. He wanted to sell this thing (the franchise) and make it more marketable, more sellable so if Shad Khan wanted to come in and put his stamp on it, it would be an easy thing to do."
This portion I don't think is any new information for most fans or media who have followed the team closely. It was no secret in the seasons leading up to the sale of the team, Weaver was playing it more safe after dealing with off the field problems under Shack Harris and the previous front office. The real surprising thing however came when Long elaborated on some of the draft picks and free agency moves that may have hamstrung Gene Smith.
"Gene Smith had to do things that normal, other GMs didn't have to do. He had to take chances on an Aaron Kampman, where you could pay a guy a little bit less than say if he was healthy or in his prime," Long said. "High reward, on the cheap a little bit. There's been a lot of talk in and around the build that Tyson Alualu, when you look back, that was Gene Smith taking a guy they knew they could sign. They didn't want like Derrick Harvey who had held out in 2008, Eugene Monroe had held out in 2009 and Wayne Weaver didn't want another holdout in 2010. So, he (Weaver) told Gene Smith to do whatever you can to get a guy in here who's not going to hold out."
Alualu wound up holding out for a while, but it was less than the previous holdouts and he got into camp. Long continues, noting that Smith basically took Alualu to appease Weaver's requests.
"So, that was Gene Smith responding to his boss and taking Alualu tenth overall, which everyone spotted that around the league. You take a guy who's supposed to be a low first-rounder and you get him at 10 and you'll be able to have signability," Long said on air.
There were many who wondered why Gene Smith got the job when he was hired, and this might be one of the reasons. It's possible Weaver wanted to hire a sort of "Yes Man" while he was getting to trying to sell the franchise. Ultimately however, Gene Smith's drafts have been fairly poor, especially the 2009 and 2010 classes who've netted maybe two or three good players in total and that's what is going to get him fired. |
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2012/12/29/3814878/did-wayne-weaver-force-gene-smiths-hand
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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If thats true, get Gene the F outta there now
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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I don't totally buy it, and even if it is true, fire him.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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It's one beat writer's speculation, but it definitely deserves some weight.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Mark Long really has no reason to lie. I believe that he truly believes that is what happened. If that did happen, it would give some credence to the rumor a while back of Gene Smith considering resigning before the 2011 draft.
It is a tough spot to be put in, but at the end of the day, he still listened to Wayne Weaver and he still made those moves so he deserves to be fired if Shad Khan believes that he should be.
Even with this new "information" and the overall "disappointment" with Tyson Alualu, I am still fine with the selection simply because the 2010 draft was horrible. Not just for us, but in general.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:01 am Post subject: |
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still doesnt explain why we drafted gabbert
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | still doesnt explain why we drafted gabbert |
Need for QB?
On paper, drafting Gabbert looked like a good idea. We had an aging QB who could still be a decent starter for the present and a young QB that needed to sit and develop.
Then that guy got hurt, Young guy gets thrown to fire, 5-11.
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| Jaguarfan wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | still doesnt explain why we drafted gabbert |
Need for QB?
On paper, drafting Gabbert looked like a good idea. We had an aging QB who could still be a decent starter for the present and a young QB that needed to sit and develop.
Then that guy got hurt, Young guy gets thrown to fire, 5-11. |
On paper he looked like a typical QB prospect that busts. Good arm and size, but mediocre accuracy even in a pass-friendly system. Plus all this BPA crap, need shouldnt have been the only factor. Still wanted Amukamara or Kerrigan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Jaguarfan wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | still doesnt explain why we drafted gabbert |
Need for QB?
On paper, drafting Gabbert looked like a good idea. We had an aging QB who could still be a decent starter for the present and a young QB that needed to sit and develop.
Then that guy got hurt, Young guy gets thrown to fire, 5-11. |
On paper he looked like a typical QB prospect that busts. Good arm and size, but mediocre accuracy even in a pass-friendly system. Plus all this BPA crap, need shouldnt have been the only factor. Still wanted Amukamara or Kerrigan |
We moved up. So the thought is that we fit our need to what was believed to be the BPA by the team.
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JaguarCrazy2832
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Jaguarfan wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | still doesnt explain why we drafted gabbert |
Need for QB?
On paper, drafting Gabbert looked like a good idea. We had an aging QB who could still be a decent starter for the present and a young QB that needed to sit and develop.
Then that guy got hurt, Young guy gets thrown to fire, 5-11. |
On paper he looked like a typical QB prospect that busts. Good arm and size, but mediocre accuracy even in a pass-friendly system. Plus all this BPA crap, need shouldnt have been the only factor. Still wanted Amukamara or Kerrigan |
We moved up. So the thought is that we fit our need to what was believed to be the BPA by the team. |
i just dont see why he was thought to be a franchise guy
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | iPwn wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Jaguarfan wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | still doesnt explain why we drafted gabbert |
Need for QB?
On paper, drafting Gabbert looked like a good idea. We had an aging QB who could still be a decent starter for the present and a young QB that needed to sit and develop.
Then that guy got hurt, Young guy gets thrown to fire, 5-11. |
On paper he looked like a typical QB prospect that busts. Good arm and size, but mediocre accuracy even in a pass-friendly system. Plus all this BPA crap, need shouldnt have been the only factor. Still wanted Amukamara or Kerrigan |
We moved up. So the thought is that we fit our need to what was believed to be the BPA by the team. |
i just dont see why he was thought to be a franchise guy |
I said as much before he was drafted.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair, a lot of us wanted Jake Locker and he is worse than Blaine Gabbert.
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | To be fair, a lot of us wanted Jake Locker and he is worse than Blaine Gabbert. |
I was wrong about pretty much ever QB drafted in the first 35 picks, except for Gabbert and Ponder 
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | To be fair, a lot of us wanted Jake Locker and he is worse than Blaine Gabbert. |
I was wrong about pretty much ever QB drafted in the first 35 picks, except for Gabbert and Ponder |
It happens to the best of us.
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| corry wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | To be fair, a lot of us wanted Jake Locker and he is worse than Blaine Gabbert. |
I was wrong about pretty much ever QB drafted in the first 35 picks, except for Gabbert and Ponder |
It happens to the best of us. |
Yea... so after like 3 years whats your take on Sam Bradford?
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