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THESKINSFAN21
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 Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: Haslett-”Orakpo Needs to Beat Double Teams” |
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I agree. Its time for Orakpo to take the next stepto elite. He has the talent and Kerrigan opposite him. He must beat double teams and have double digit sack seasons every season just like the best in the game;Allen,Ware. Orakpo has every reason in the world to dominate this year and return to Pr Bowl form. This is his second season with a full offseason in the 34.
| Quote: | | Washington Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett said LB Brian Orakpo will have to learn how to beat double teams if he wants to go to the next level in terms of a pass rusher |
http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=796534-redskins-dc-says-brian-orakpo-needs-to-beat-double-teams
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This is a very important season for Rak. After this season, we'll know whether he's going to be a very good player or a great/elite player. He may plateau and average about 9 sacks a season and that would be fine. But we know he has the potential to be a 14 sack a year guy. If he can reach that dominant level, we will have great defenses for the rest the decade. Guaranteed.
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I have a question. What if Orakpo can't reach elite potential in the 3-4 D, what is the chance Shanahan and rest of the coaches realize that and we go back to a 4-3 with him and Kerrigan both tearing Olines apart and having double digit sack seasons year after year? My point is this, Yes I would love for him to be our Demarcus Ware but what if he's just not built to play at that elite level in the 3-4 but could be our Jarred Allen, Jason Babin, Julious Peppers in a 4-3 do we have the right to blame the coach and not him?
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| 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | I have a question. What if Orakpo can't reach elite potential in the 3-4 D, what is the chance Shanahan and rest of the coaches realize that and we go back to a 4-3 with him and Kerrigan both tearing Olines apart and having double digit sack seasons year after year? My point is this, Yes I would love for him to be our Demarcus Ware but what if he's just not built to play at that elite level in the 3-4 but could be our Jarred Allen, Jason Babin, Julious Peppers in a 4-3 do we have the right to blame the coach and not him? |
We would have to get 2 OLBs. I think the 34 is great. Our line as well as our lbs had a solid season getting sacks compared to the,previous decade in the 43. I think Rak and kerrigan wil both get at LEAST 10 sacks a season. I know Rak needs more but worst case I think Kerrigan will be our Clay Matthews which will demand respect from OLines which will get Rak to elite status.
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Definitely true. He still has led us in sacks though since we've drafted him
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| SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote: | | This is a very important season for Rak. After this season, we'll know whether he's going to be a very good player or a great/elite player. He may plateau and average about 9 sacks a season and that would be fine. But we know he has the potential to be a 14 sack a year guy. If he can reach that dominant level, we will have great defenses for the rest the decade. Guaranteed. |
He did get 11 as a rookie, so wouldn't that be his current plateau?
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| THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | I have a question. What if Orakpo can't reach elite potential in the 3-4 D, what is the chance Shanahan and rest of the coaches realize that and we go back to a 4-3 with him and Kerrigan both tearing Olines apart and having double digit sack seasons year after year? My point is this, Yes I would love for him to be our Demarcus Ware but what if he's just not built to play at that elite level in the 3-4 but could be our Jarred Allen, Jason Babin, Julious Peppers in a 4-3 do we have the right to blame the coach and not him? |
We would have to get 2 OLBs. I think the 34 is great. Our line as well as our lbs had a solid season getting sacks compared to the,previous decade in the 43. I think Rak and kerrigan wil both get at LEAST 10 sacks a season. I know Rak needs more but worst case I think Kerrigan will be our Clay Matthews which will demand respect from OLines which will get Rak to elite status. |
We didn't have the type of talent of Orakpo and Kerrigan so I don't think it's fair to try and compare the past to the present. Close's we had was Lavar Arrington and we let him go.
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| 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | I have a question. What if Orakpo can't reach elite potential in the 3-4 D, what is the chance Shanahan and rest of the coaches realize that and we go back to a 4-3 with him and Kerrigan both tearing Olines apart and having double digit sack seasons year after year? My point is this, Yes I would love for him to be our Demarcus Ware but what if he's just not built to play at that elite level in the 3-4 but could be our Jarred Allen, Jason Babin, Julious Peppers in a 4-3 do we have the right to blame the coach and not him? |
Yes, because it was shanahans decision. Still though, I'm with theskinsfan21, I like the 3-4 and like he said, if we switched back to the 4-3 we'd have to find an Olb to add to this D then, either a slb or wlb, whichever they feel they need opposite riley
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| 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | I have a question. What if Orakpo can't reach elite potential in the 3-4 D, what is the chance Shanahan and rest of the coaches realize that and we go back to a 4-3 with him and Kerrigan both tearing Olines apart and having double digit sack seasons year after year? My point is this, Yes I would love for him to be our Demarcus Ware but what if he's just not built to play at that elite level in the 3-4 but could be our Jarred Allen, Jason Babin, Julious Peppers in a 4-3 do we have the right to blame the coach and not him? |
We would have to get 2 OLBs. I think the 34 is great. Our line as well as our lbs had a solid season getting sacks compared to the,previous decade in the 43. I think Rak and kerrigan wil both get at LEAST 10 sacks a season. I know Rak needs more but worst case I think Kerrigan will be our Clay Matthews which will demand respect from OLines which will get Rak to elite status. |
We didn't have the type of talent of Orakpo and Kerrigan so I don't think it's fair to try and compare the past to the present. Close's we had was Lavar Arrington and we let him go. |
Don't sleep on Marcus Washington, before injuring his hip, he was arguably better than Lavar last decade. We had Derrick Smith also, Antonio Pierce, Lamar Marshall, Jerimiah Trotter...
We've always had talented Lbs until like you said we got rid of Lavar, but even then we still had Washington.
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| turtle28 wrote: | | 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | I have a question. What if Orakpo can't reach elite potential in the 3-4 D, what is the chance Shanahan and rest of the coaches realize that and we go back to a 4-3 with him and Kerrigan both tearing Olines apart and having double digit sack seasons year after year? My point is this, Yes I would love for him to be our Demarcus Ware but what if he's just not built to play at that elite level in the 3-4 but could be our Jarred Allen, Jason Babin, Julious Peppers in a 4-3 do we have the right to blame the coach and not him? |
We would have to get 2 OLBs. I think the 34 is great. Our line as well as our lbs had a solid season getting sacks compared to the,previous decade in the 43. I think Rak and kerrigan wil both get at LEAST 10 sacks a season. I know Rak needs more but worst case I think Kerrigan will be our Clay Matthews which will demand respect from OLines which will get Rak to elite status. |
We didn't have the type of talent of Orakpo and Kerrigan so I don't think it's fair to try and compare the past to the present. Close's we had was Lavar Arrington and we let him go. |
Don't sleep on Marcus Washington, before injuring his hip, he was arguably better than Lavar last decade. We had Derrick Smith also, Antonio Pierce, Lamar Marshall, Jerimiah Trotter...
We've always had talented Lbs until like you said we got rid of Lavar, but even then we still had Washington. |
And a top 10 D . I believe we will be top 10 this year in the 34 
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| turtle28 wrote: | | 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | I have a question. What if Orakpo can't reach elite potential in the 3-4 D, what is the chance Shanahan and rest of the coaches realize that and we go back to a 4-3 with him and Kerrigan both tearing Olines apart and having double digit sack seasons year after year? My point is this, Yes I would love for him to be our Demarcus Ware but what if he's just not built to play at that elite level in the 3-4 but could be our Jarred Allen, Jason Babin, Julious Peppers in a 4-3 do we have the right to blame the coach and not him? |
We would have to get 2 OLBs. I think the 34 is great. Our line as well as our lbs had a solid season getting sacks compared to the,previous decade in the 43. I think Rak and kerrigan wil both get at LEAST 10 sacks a season. I know Rak needs more but worst case I think Kerrigan will be our Clay Matthews which will demand respect from OLines which will get Rak to elite status. |
We didn't have the type of talent of Orakpo and Kerrigan so I don't think it's fair to try and compare the past to the present. Close's we had was Lavar Arrington and we let him go. |
Don't sleep on Marcus Washington, before injuring his hip, he was arguably better than Lavar last decade. We had Derrick Smith also, Antonio Pierce, Lamar Marshall, Jerimiah Trotter...
We've always had talented Lbs until like you said we got rid of Lavar, but even then we still had Washington. |
I'm talking about Orakpo and Kerrigan as DE's. When is the last time we had elite pass rusher's like that on the DL? Orakpo's rookie season (in the 4-3) he and Carter both had double digit sacks and I'm for sure with a DL of Orakpo, Colfied, Jenkins, and Kerrigan we would be a even more dominate force up front.
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I'm talking about Orakpo and Kerrigan as DE's. When is the last time we had elite pass rusher's like that on the DL? Orakpo's rookie season (in the 4-3) he and Carter both had double digit sacks and I'm for sure with a DL of Orakpo, Colfied, Jenkins, and Kerrigan we would be a even more dominate force up front. |
You said like Lavar Arrington and he was a LB, just like Kerrigan, Orakpo (they arent DEs but i guess would be if we switched) and all the other guys I mentioned. Marcus Washington was a good pass rusher.
Our front 7 is awesome as it is, we've spent 2 years building the 3-4 front 7 we have now, why mess with that?
If we don't have consistency in our scheme we aren't ever going to good to great again. We can't go back to the schitzophrenic 2000s
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| THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | And a top 10 D . I believe we will be top 10 this year in the 34 |
I think we will be as long as our secondary holds up. Our front 7 is going to be one of the best in the nfl this year.
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| turtle28 wrote: | | 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: |
I'm talking about Orakpo and Kerrigan as DE's. When is the last time we had elite pass rusher's like that on the DL? Orakpo's rookie season (in the 4-3) he and Carter both had double digit sacks and I'm for sure with a DL of Orakpo, Colfied, Jenkins, and Kerrigan we would be a even more dominate force up front. |
You said like Lavar Arrington and he was a LB, just like Kerrigan, Orakpo (they arent DEs but i guess would be if we switched) and all the other guys I mentioned. Marcus Washington was a good pass rusher.
Our front 7 is awesome as it is, we've spent 2 years building the 3-4 front 7 we have now, why mess with that?
If we don't have consistency in our scheme we aren't ever going to good to great again. We can't go back to the schitzophrenic 2000s |
Lavar was drafted here as a LB where as Orakpo was drafted here as a DE and then switch to a LB so my point is if he and Kerrigan cant produce the same success as LB's as I think they can as DE's than blame the staff not them as players. You can agree or disagree.
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| 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | 21 ALL THE WAY wrote: |
I'm talking about Orakpo and Kerrigan as DE's. When is the last time we had elite pass rusher's like that on the DL? Orakpo's rookie season (in the 4-3) he and Carter both had double digit sacks and I'm for sure with a DL of Orakpo, Colfied, Jenkins, and Kerrigan we would be a even more dominate force up front. |
You said like Lavar Arrington and he was a LB, just like Kerrigan, Orakpo (they arent DEs but i guess would be if we switched) and all the other guys I mentioned. Marcus Washington was a good pass rusher.
Our front 7 is awesome as it is, we've spent 2 years building the 3-4 front 7 we have now, why mess with that?
If we don't have consistency in our scheme we aren't ever going to good to great again. We can't go back to the schitzophrenic 2000s |
Lavar was drafted here as a LB where as Orakpo was drafted here as a DE and then switch to a LB so my point is if he and Kerrigan cant produce the same success as LB's as I think they can as DE's than blame the staff not them as players. You can agree or disagree. |
When Orakpo was drafted they put him at SLB as a rookie though...
I'm not blaming anyone, I think Kerigan and Orakpo are great at what they are doing and are only going to get better. I wouldnt change that now. If they were playing DE last year, I think their production would be the same at sacks but they'd have less tackles.
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