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justinsgiants
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| DetroitSpirit wrote: | | justinsgiants wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | eagles101 wrote: | | sour grapes? |
More like not even news. First off, justingiants we have protocol that needs to be followed when starting a thread in this forum and it involves more than just posting a link.
If folks want to debate (not like it hasn't been done a number of times before) Romo v. E. Manning, the appropriate forum for that is Comparisons. I'll be moving this there. |
To follow on from this. If we want to debate it you have to give us a leg to stand on. You have to provide us with your own opinion of the situation before we can talk about it. |
I believe Eli elevates the play of everyone else around him, especially in 4th quarter crunch time. People say the stats make Romo better. So how about these stats about Eli?
2× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011)
2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
2× NFC Champion (2007, 2011)
NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
NFL Record most road playoff wins by a quarterback (5)
Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season ( 8 )
Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
Most passing yards in a single postseason (1219 yards) |
Tebow did the same, is he elite? |
No one brought up Tebow. No one brought up being elite. Just you.
And Tebow did none of those listed above. |
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eagles101
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Blink wrote: | | eagles101 wrote: | | Blink wrote: | | Gmen wrote: | | BrownieTheElf wrote: | | Exactly. I look at it this way if you switch Eli and put him on the Cowboys and the Romo on the Giants. How would they do. |
Eli led the Giants on six game winning drives. So with Romo the Giants would go... 3-13. |
You're either highly over rating Eli or under rating Tony. I think Eli is a better quarterback, but its not nearly as big of a gap that many are claiming it to be. Romo is a very talented QB, and Eli did not magically get a hundred times better because he won a SB. People truely forget there's 21 other starters on the team.
Am I the only one who hates QBs being propped up for fourth quarter comebacks? Why is that more special than being good in the other three quarters? Be good from the first whistle and you don't have to come back to begin with. |
statement one contradicts statement two. |
Explain, please?
I think Eli is a little better than Romo
I don't value fourth quarter comebacks as others do.
Not seeing a contradiction. |
statement one- you say that SB didnt make him better because of the other people on the team.
statement two-you say that if he played better he wouldnt have to come back in the fourth quarter.
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Im not a homer, I said we would lose a game last year when all the analysts predicted us to go 16-0 halfway through the year. |
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eagles101
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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And most of those accolades are team based ... |
not saying anything about that, just that tebow hasnt done any of the things eli has done.
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Im not a homer, I said we would lose a game last year when all the analysts predicted us to go 16-0 halfway through the year. |
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RandyMossIsBoss
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok seriously I'm SHOCKED this is even being debated still. Yes, statistically Romo beats out Eli in nearly every way, but if you watched Eli last year you would see how much he improved and cemented himself as a top 5 QB. I hate Eli, and until last year I thought he was a mediocre quarterback whos reputation relied on his earlier superbowl win (which the defense was highly responsible for). Watching Eli last year though he showed how good he's beccome, making big throws late in the game where it mattered most and always staying calm and collected, despite having arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL. |
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Blink
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| eagles101 wrote: | | Blink wrote: | | eagles101 wrote: | | Blink wrote: | | Gmen wrote: | | BrownieTheElf wrote: | | Exactly. I look at it this way if you switch Eli and put him on the Cowboys and the Romo on the Giants. How would they do. |
Eli led the Giants on six game winning drives. So with Romo the Giants would go... 3-13. |
You're either highly over rating Eli or under rating Tony. I think Eli is a better quarterback, but its not nearly as big of a gap that many are claiming it to be. Romo is a very talented QB, and Eli did not magically get a hundred times better because he won a SB. People truely forget there's 21 other starters on the team.
Am I the only one who hates QBs being propped up for fourth quarter comebacks? Why is that more special than being good in the other three quarters? Be good from the first whistle and you don't have to come back to begin with. |
statement one contradicts statement two. |
Explain, please?
I think Eli is a little better than Romo
I don't value fourth quarter comebacks as others do.
Not seeing a contradiction. |
statement one- you say that SB didnt make him better because of the other people on the team.
statement two-you say that if he played better he wouldnt have to come back in the fourth quarter. |
That's not a contradictory statement, I'm not sure what you're getting at. |
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texans_uk
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Gmen wrote: | | BrownieTheElf wrote: | | Exactly. I look at it this way if you switch Eli and put him on the Cowboys and the Romo on the Giants. How would they do. |
Eli led the Giants on six game winning drives. So with Romo the Giants would go... 3-13. |
Really dude?
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willy_law
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| D.Revis24 wrote: | | willy_law wrote: | Its Amani just looking to bring attention to himself after not being in the limelight. 2 superbowls > 1 playoff win.
I don't like Eli but saying Romo is better is bull. |
So Trent Dilfer>>>Dan Marino? |
your taking the extreme route and that just makes you look silly.
Statistically they aren't even close to one another you and everyone on this forum knows that.
When players are statistically comparable you THEN look for playoff victories.
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MaddHatter
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| willy_law wrote: | | D.Revis24 wrote: | | willy_law wrote: | Its Amani just looking to bring attention to himself after not being in the limelight. 2 superbowls > 1 playoff win.
I don't like Eli but saying Romo is better is bull. |
So Trent Dilfer>>>Dan Marino? |
your taking the extreme route and that just makes you look silly.
Statistically they aren't even close to one another you and everyone on this forum knows that.
When players are statistically comparable you THEN look for playoff victories. |
Is Eli comparable to Romo since 2009? Seems pretty drastic to me, specifically in turnovers
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willy_law
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | willy_law wrote: | | D.Revis24 wrote: | | willy_law wrote: | Its Amani just looking to bring attention to himself after not being in the limelight. 2 superbowls > 1 playoff win.
I don't like Eli but saying Romo is better is bull. |
So Trent Dilfer>>>Dan Marino? |
your taking the extreme route and that just makes you look silly.
Statistically they aren't even close to one another you and everyone on this forum knows that.
When players are statistically comparable you THEN look for playoff victories. |
Is Eli comparable to Romo since 2009? Seems pretty drastic to me, specifically in turnovers |
When it comes to turnovers. I won't argue that Eli is worse cause numbers show that Eli is worse. and other than that they are close enough to where you can say they could fairly be compared. Dilfer and Marino cannot be...let me rephrase that.. shouldn't be
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Onyxmeth
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | willy_law wrote: | | D.Revis24 wrote: | | willy_law wrote: | Its Amani just looking to bring attention to himself after not being in the limelight. 2 superbowls > 1 playoff win.
I don't like Eli but saying Romo is better is bull. |
So Trent Dilfer>>>Dan Marino? |
your taking the extreme route and that just makes you look silly.
Statistically they aren't even close to one another you and everyone on this forum knows that.
When players are statistically comparable you THEN look for playoff victories. |
Is Eli comparable to Romo since 2009? Seems pretty drastic to me, specifically in turnovers |
Pretty drastic in yards and TDs also. That tends to happen one of the QBs misses as much time as Romo has though.
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reckless123
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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I think romo is very underrated, but eli proved last year he is the better QB. Tony Romo statistically is better, but the eye test shows who is better. Romo has the second highest QBR in history if im not mistaken, so what does that prove?
Eli prior to last year was inconsistent, he would have 350 yards and 3TDs one week but have 200 yards, 1 TD and 3 ints the next week. Eli said himself, previously he tried to force balls. Im like many people im not gonna use the rings arguments to judge, because it is a team game, but im not gonna ignore that eli was biggest reason we even got to the playoffs and why we won the superbowl.
Eli made victor cruz into a household name, he made jake ballard an actual serviceable tight end. His o-line was terrible, his running game was absent, defense was just flat out pathetic until week 16.
My biggest problem is that, people act as if eli single handedly should win a superbowl.
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reckless123
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| dahobofest wrote: | If you base it off who is simply better... It's easily Romo.
If you base it off who has had success, luck, and better team performance... it's Eli.
Success does not equal skill. Which quarterback is better in this scenario? The quarterback who threw the ball 5 yards for a small gain but his receiver breaks three tackles and takes the ball 99 yards for a touchdown or the quarterback that throws the game winning touchdown pass only to have his receiver lose the ball in the lights?
One is the story of Eli Manning and the other is the story of Tony Romo. |
You need to be careful in what you drink.
Eli is 2nd in air yards, meaning the amount of yards minus YAC for guys who have thrown over 4000 yards, 2nd in the entire league for air yards per attempt, and 1st AY% for QBs over 4000 yards. So that completely dwards your argument there.
You watch way too much sports center man. How about watching sunday NFL games, which happen at the following times 1:00PM ET, 4:15PM ET 8.30PM ET, also on Mondays-there is something called "Monday Night Football" which comes on at 8:30PM ET. Also if you want/need to watch more football, there are matches on thursdays on NFL Network at 8:30 i believe, anyway check it out.
Note: these times vary depending on location.
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Ace5
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my question. What in the world does Eli do in the locker room and offensive huddle to make former Giants offensive players hate him so much? Does he have really bad taste in music? Maybe a disgusting habit? Whatever it is, it's been driving players away with a bad taste in their mouth for years.
As for the Eli v. Romo debate, its neverending, played out, and has no true correct answer. The whole thing is just tired.
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eagles101
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Blink wrote: | | eagles101 wrote: | | Blink wrote: | | eagles101 wrote: | | Blink wrote: | | Gmen wrote: | | BrownieTheElf wrote: | | Exactly. I look at it this way if you switch Eli and put him on the Cowboys and the Romo on the Giants. How would they do. |
Eli led the Giants on six game winning drives. So with Romo the Giants would go... 3-13. |
You're either highly over rating Eli or under rating Tony. I think Eli is a better quarterback, but its not nearly as big of a gap that many are claiming it to be. Romo is a very talented QB, and Eli did not magically get a hundred times better because he won a SB. People truely forget there's 21 other starters on the team.
Am I the only one who hates QBs being propped up for fourth quarter comebacks? Why is that more special than being good in the other three quarters? Be good from the first whistle and you don't have to come back to begin with. |
statement one contradicts statement two. |
Explain, please?
I think Eli is a little better than Romo
I don't value fourth quarter comebacks as others do.
Not seeing a contradiction. |
statement one- you say that SB didnt make him better because of the other people on the team.
statement two-you say that if he played better he wouldnt have to come back in the fourth quarter. |
That's not a contradictory statement, I'm not sure what you're getting at. |
yes it is. because your saying that his accomplishments dont mean much because its a team thing, then you say that he wouldnt need to come back if he played better earlier in the game. with the first you say its a team sport and in the next you put the blame on him, even though its a team sport.
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Im not a homer, I said we would lose a game last year when all the analysts predicted us to go 16-0 halfway through the year. |
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Shockey1979
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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I got them back to back in my QB ranking so it's not a big deal.
1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Peyton
5. Ben
6. Eli
7. Romo
Don't see what the big deal is.
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