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ravens_rool28
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| ceejay wrote: | | ravens_rool28 wrote: | | Id like to play if you allow me, and as long as I can draft from my phone. |
I'm really not sure if you can. If I were you, I would try to do a draft on your phone today. Use a one time account. If it works, let me know and we can add you to the league.
As of now, I believe we have 9 solid players who are def in. If it works for Ravens_rool28 we would have 10 and only need 2 more
If my counting is off, sorry. Yesterday was Canada Day and well...Yeah, recovery mode today. My brain it scrambled eggs  |
Didn't have to join a league, just ran the test they offer and it said it was successful, so I should be ok.
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RavensTillIDie
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in.
But dude, PLLLLLEEEEASE fix the broken point system from last year. That thing was trash my man.
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ceejay
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| RavensTillIDie wrote: | I'm in.
But dude, PLLLLLEEEEASE fix the broken point system from last year. That thing was trash my man. |
What do you mean? What was your issue.
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RavensTillIDie
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ceejay wrote: | | What do you mean? What was your issue. |
Just taking a quick look back at last year's league, things I had a problem with...
Offense:
Sacks: -1.5 points (Why count that against a QB?)
Fumbles: -2 points
Fumbles Lost: -2 points (I think only fumbles lost should count against you)
So on second thought, maybe the scoring system was as bad as I imagined...I'll probably attribute that mostly to bitterness from finishing 10th place last year. 
But yeah, I definitely didn't like the two things mentioned above though.
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ceejay
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I see what you are saying. The "fumble lost" should be eliminated. But the sack remains and so does a fumble. I find that to be very fair. It's not fair if the guy fumbles and gets more negative taken off if its a takeaway.
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RavensTillIDie
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| ceejay wrote: | | I see what you are saying. The "fumble lost" should be eliminated. But the sack remains and so does a fumble. I find that to be very fair. It's not fair if the guy fumbles and gets more negative taken off if its a takeaway. |
Sacks aren't really a big deal, I'm not a fan of it, but that's not a huge point of emphasis with me.
But I do think fumbles that are lost should be what's kept and not fumbles alone. I mean why penalize a guy if he fumbles, but he or his own team recovers the own fumble? There was no loss of possession, no real 'negative' occurrence there. However, if a guy loses a fumble, obviously it is hurting his team as it is resulting in a change of possession.
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Flaccomania
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| RavensTillIDie wrote: | | ceejay wrote: | | I see what you are saying. The "fumble lost" should be eliminated. But the sack remains and so does a fumble. I find that to be very fair. It's not fair if the guy fumbles and gets more negative taken off if its a takeaway. |
Sacks aren't really a big deal, I'm not a fan of it, but that's not a huge point of emphasis with me.
But I do think fumbles that are lost should be what's kept and not fumbles alone. I mean why penalize a guy if he fumbles, but he or his own team recovers the own fumble? There was no loss of possession, no real 'negative' occurrence there. However, if a guy loses a fumble, obviously it is hurting his team as it is resulting in a change of possession. |
Personally I think fumbles period should be the way to go. Whether or not to dock the QB shouldn't depend on how the ball bounces or another player diving on it. The QB fumbled the ball when he was hit which is a no-no and should have it counted against him IMO.
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RavensTillIDie
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | RavensTillIDie wrote: | | ceejay wrote: | | I see what you are saying. The "fumble lost" should be eliminated. But the sack remains and so does a fumble. I find that to be very fair. It's not fair if the guy fumbles and gets more negative taken off if its a takeaway. |
Sacks aren't really a big deal, I'm not a fan of it, but that's not a huge point of emphasis with me.
But I do think fumbles that are lost should be what's kept and not fumbles alone. I mean why penalize a guy if he fumbles, but he or his own team recovers the own fumble? There was no loss of possession, no real 'negative' occurrence there. However, if a guy loses a fumble, obviously it is hurting his team as it is resulting in a change of possession. |
Personally I think fumbles period should be the way to go. Whether or not to dock the QB shouldn't depend on how the ball bounces or another player diving on it. The QB fumbled the ball when he was hit which is a no-no and should have it counted against him IMO. |
Majority vote?
Everyone signed up for the league vote whether you want fumbles lost to be the stat that is retained OR just fumbles alone.
Fumbles Lost:
-RTID
Fumbles:
-ceejay
-Flaccomania
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coordinator0
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Fumbles. Not every fumble results in a turnover for the offense but it's still something that should be penalized regardless in my opinion. |
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ceejay
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| coordinator0 wrote: | | Fumbles. Not every fumble results in a turnover for the offense but it's still something that should be penalized regardless in my opinion. |
A fumble is a fumble. If he is charged a fumble on the stat sheet, the points should be deducted. So I vote points for a fumble period. Not just a fumble lost.
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diamondbull424
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Well I'm thinking they should count for different point deductions. Something like:
Fumbles: 0.5 pts
Fumbles Lost: 2 Pts
Like was said, fumbles are damaging, the scramble to recover results in a greater likelihood for teammate injuries and it usually results in lost yards. But at the same time the true damage is in the change of possession, so I'd distinguish between the two in points taken away.
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RAVINGMADD
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| Just chiming in with a suggestion. What I do in my leagues is deduct 1 point for a fumble, 1 point for a fumble lost, and then you get 1 point for a fumble recovered. This way, if someone recovers their own fumble, they aren't penalized, they are penalized 1 point if someone else on their team recovers it, and if it causes a turnover they lose 2 points. |
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ravens_rool28
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| RAVINGMADD wrote: | | Just chiming in with a suggestion. What I do in my leagues is deduct 1 point for a fumble, 1 point for a fumble lost, and then you get 1 point for a fumble recovered. This way, if someone recovers their own fumble, they aren't penalized, they are penalized 1 point if someone else on their team recovers it, and if it causes a turnover they lose 2 points. |
I like this idea...but what if your player recovers someone else's player's fumble?
You get the point, they lose one?
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RAVINGMADD
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| ravens_rool28 wrote: | | RAVINGMADD wrote: | | Just chiming in with a suggestion. What I do in my leagues is deduct 1 point for a fumble, 1 point for a fumble lost, and then you get 1 point for a fumble recovered. This way, if someone recovers their own fumble, they aren't penalized, they are penalized 1 point if someone else on their team recovers it, and if it causes a turnover they lose 2 points. |
I like this idea...but what if your player recovers someone else's player's fumble?
You get the point, they lose one? |
Yeah, exactly. That player just bailed out whoever fumbled the ball so they deserve something for it and they at least prevented that player from losing two points. And that one point for fumbles recovered also applies to defensive players (or the team defense) so they get one point every time they recover a fumble. |
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drd23
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I like RMs idea too
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