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Ruins1984


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:41 pm    Post subject: Maybe we should trade Joe Reply with quote

I love Joe Thomas, but dude should be given a chance to play meaningful games on a good team. There's even word he's considering asking for a trade. I actually think this might be a perfect year to trade him with the tackle talent about to be available in the draft and our picking at 32. I think we can take our franchise QB at 2 and also have a good chance of getting a franchise LT at 32, which is rare, because of the depth of LT talent in this draft. Much like the Patriots got Matt Light from Purdue in the 2nd round years back. With early declarations:
The 2 top ten guys- Laremy Tunsil and Ronnie Stanley
Shon Coleman Auburn
Jerald Hawkins LSU
Jack Conklin MSU
Taylor Decker THE Ohio St.
Germain Ifedi, Texas A&M
and finally, a lil light in the pants but athletic Jason Spriggs Indiana

I gotta feeling at least a pair of these guys falls to 32, plus we'll get another draft pick from trading Joe. I think we could get a late 2nd from a team like Greenbay with championship aspirations.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideal of trading Joe sucks but it will have to be for a mid 1st rounder at least. And probably more. He is still a top LT in the NFL with 3-4 years left of playing at a pro bowl caliber
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in favor of trading Joe Haden.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cattleman78 wrote:
I'm in favor of trading Joe Haden.



I'm in favor of trading both while they still have trade value.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't see getting a first rounder+ for Joe Thomas. I think the only reason Denver considered their 1st at the deadline was because of their crazy injury situation plus this being Peyton's probable last year and they were going for it all. He's got 2-3 seasons left as a top LT. You don't give up too much for 3 years, when that 1st could equal a good LT in the 1st this year for the next 10 years. Makes no sense. But if you're a contending team going for it, an elite LT for 3 years for a LATE 2nd makes solid sense. I'd love to trade Joe Haden for a late 2nd as well. His technique and quicks started fading this season, and his fragile noggin makes me nervous. Lets trade him before everyone else sees what we see: an early demise??

Add 2 second round picks to this draft for us...clear a ton of cap space...I like it.

Also, if anyone knows a good accountant let me know. Mine just quit to scout for the Browns...lol
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we draft a QB at 2 we HAVE to keep Joe!!!! I mean who are we going to get to protect Goff's backside?

And no to trading Haden either. Would love to keep our talent.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonanza23 wrote:
If we draft a QB at 2 we HAVE to keep Joe!!!! I mean who are we going to get to protect Goff's backside?

And no to trading Haden either. Would love to keep our talent.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just say no to trading either Joe. It's a roll of the dice that Sachi Brown (or whoever his emasculated personnel guy is) does better than either with the pick(s) we get in return.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm against trading either Joe unless a team offers something exceptional in return. Thomas still has plenty of good years left, and only getting a first for him wouldn't be that great when you'd likely have to use an early draft pick to replace him anyway.

Haden struggled when he played this year, but it could just be a down year. When he's at the top of his game, he's easily one of the best in the league.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want Goff getting killed, so keep him and try to keep Mack.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sdrawkcab321 wrote:
cattleman78 wrote:
I'm in favor of trading Joe Haden.



I'm in favor of trading both while they still have trade value.


I say this literally build from the ground up. Both are getting up in age. The topic is going to come up and I hope with this stats stuff we don't keep the bias Cleveland opinion of keeping your top guys. I don't do it till day of the draft to make sure you get a solid 1st round tackle.


But if you can trade thomas for a 1st,2 and 4th the next year I'd do it if you felt comfortable in the late first with a guy like Taylor Decker or Spriggs from Indiana. Its still pretty really but if we're going to rebuild and take 3-4 years and we know it trade them and start with as much ammo as possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impossible to say yes or no without knowing what we can get.

Would be nice to keep Joe Thomas, but depending on the offer I have zero issue moving him.

And yes, please trade Haden. It won't happen but if anyone offered us a late 1st or early 2nd, easy decision for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonanza23 wrote:
If we draft a QB at 2 we HAVE to keep Joe!!!! I mean who are we going to get to protect Goff's backside?

And no to trading Haden either. Would love to keep our talent.


Joe hasn't protected anyone. We end every year with 3 qbs getting injuried.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brownie man wrote:
sdrawkcab321 wrote:
cattleman78 wrote:
I'm in favor of trading Joe Haden.



I'm in favor of trading both while they still have trade value.


I say this literally build from the ground up. Both are getting up in age. The topic is going to come up and I hope with this stats stuff we don't keep the bias Cleveland opinion of keeping your top guys. I don't do it till day of the draft to make sure you get a solid 1st round tackle.


But if you can trade thomas for a 1st,2 and 4th the next year I'd do it if you felt comfortable in the late first with a guy like Taylor Decker or Spriggs from Indiana. Its still pretty really but if we're going to rebuild and take 3-4 years and we know it trade them and start with as much ammo as possible.


Up in age? Haden is 26. Thomas is 31.

You are acting like they just need to "make sure they draft a good tackle" as if good prospects don't bust.

Odds are there will only be a couple of tackles in the whole draft who will go to as many Pro Bowls in their careers as Thomas will in the remainder of his.

Factor in his favorable contract and trading him would be dumb IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brownie man wrote:
sdrawkcab321 wrote:
cattleman78 wrote:
I'm in favor of trading Joe Haden.



I'm in favor of trading both while they still have trade value.


I say this literally build from the ground up. Both are getting up in age. The topic is going to come up and I hope with this stats stuff we don't keep the bias Cleveland opinion of keeping your top guys. I don't do it till day of the draft to make sure you get a solid 1st round tackle.


But if you can trade thomas for a 1st,2 and 4th the next year I'd do it if you felt comfortable in the late first with a guy like Taylor Decker or Spriggs from Indiana. Its still pretty really but if we're going to rebuild and take 3-4 years and we know it trade them and start with as much ammo as possible.


How do we literally build a football team from the ground up? Get feet, then shins, then knees etc...?
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