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TheStarStillShines
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| htfryar wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | I would deal Austin for Harvin in a heartbeat. |
Really? Why? Austin is a legitimate Top 10-15 WR. Harvin, not so much. |
I wouldn't say Austin is a legitimate top-10 or -15 WR in the NFL. Definitely not top-10, and he might eek into the top-15. Anyway...
Harvin is 24 years old. Austin will be 28 next week.
Harvin is a multi-dimensional threat, as he can return kickoffs and punts, run the football out of the backfield, and play inside or outside.
Harvin has an issue with migraines, but Austin has hamstring issues.
So, yeah, I would take Harvin over Austin.
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Tony7188
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| DWARE94BALLIN wrote: | | if he would take 5 or 6 years 30 million to be our #3 wr and be full time KR and PR I would do it in a heartbeat for a 2nd or lower. That would allow Dez to focus on being the receiver we think he can be. That would be a real scary offense Dez, Miles, Percy, and Witten. Salary cap wise probly not a smart move, but Jerry knows how to keep his players happy. |
I was thinking a 4th or 3rd at best for Harvin. Dallas can probably sign him to a pretty good deal (4-6 mill) and it instantly solves two problems at once, #3 WR and returner
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Tony7188
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| daboyz31 wrote: | | DWARE94BALLIN wrote: | | if he would take 5 or 6 years 30 million to be our #3 wr and be full time KR and PR I would do it in a heartbeat for a 2nd or lower. That would allow Dez to focus on being the receiver we think he can be. That would be a real scary offense Dez, Miles, Percy, and Witten. Salary cap wise probly not a smart move, but Jerry knows how to keep his players happy. |
Harvin for Mike Jenkins, even up????? What you guys think? He definately would solve the PR & KR issues..... |
I think that would be a good trade for both teams
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Desperado82
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| TheStarStillShines wrote: | | htfryar wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | I would deal Austin for Harvin in a heartbeat. |
Really? Why? Austin is a legitimate Top 10-15 WR. Harvin, not so much. |
I wouldn't say Austin is a legitimate top-10 or -15 WR in the NFL. Definitely not top-10, and he might eek into the top-15. Anyway...
Harvin is 24 years old. Austin will be 28 next week.
Harvin is a multi-dimensional threat, as he can return kickoffs and punts, run the football out of the backfield, and play inside or outside.
Harvin has an issue with migraines, but Austin has hamstring issues.
So, yeah, I would take Harvin over Austin. |
So why would Minnesota take Austin?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| GeneralDissaray wrote: | | Doesn't like how the Vikings are using him...BS. It's all about money. He doesn't like that his salary this year is only around 1 mil. You know players can't do complicated math like dividing their signing bonus over their contract length to determine what they are actually getting paid for the year. Sorry I'm gonna have to apply the newly furnished "Delta Bravo" tag here. |
So you don't think he should be paid 4-6 million in the league as one of the best slot WR's?
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htfryar
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony7188 wrote: | | GeneralDissaray wrote: | | Doesn't like how the Vikings are using him...BS. It's all about money. He doesn't like that his salary this year is only around 1 mil. You know players can't do complicated math like dividing their signing bonus over their contract length to determine what they are actually getting paid for the year. Sorry I'm gonna have to apply the newly furnished "Delta Bravo" tag here. |
So you don't think he should be paid 4-6 million in the league as one of the best slot WR's? |
NO, I don't think he should be paid that much to be a #3 WR/KR/PR. But, if we did pay him that much, how much would we have to pay Dez in a couple years to keep him as our #1 WR?
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TheStarStillShines
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| Desperado82 wrote: | | So why would Minnesota take Austin? |
Maybe because Harvin has demanded a trade, and Minnesota could use a veteran WR to help with Ponder's development. Minnesota could also use a WR that has the ability to stretch defences, especially if they end up trading Harvin.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| TheStarStillShines wrote: | | htfryar wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | I would deal Austin for Harvin in a heartbeat. |
Really? Why? Austin is a legitimate Top 10-15 WR. Harvin, not so much. |
I wouldn't say Austin is a legitimate top-10 or -15 WR in the NFL. Definitely not top-10, and he might eek into the top-15. Anyway...
Harvin is 24 years old. Austin will be 28 next week.
Harvin is a multi-dimensional threat, as he can return kickoffs and punts, run the football out of the backfield, and play inside or outside.
Harvin has an issue with migraines, but Austin has hamstring issues.
So, yeah, I would take Harvin over Austin. |
I cant take you seriously any more.....
Harvin is in no way as good a WR as Austin.
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| Matts4313 wrote: | I cant take you seriously any more.....
Harvin is in no way as good a WR as Austin. |
How is Austin such a superior WR? Harvin is also a good route runner. He, too, has the ability to run after the catch. He can catch short passes and go deep. His hands are also very good.
Add in his other skills - punt returner, ability to also come out of the backfield, running ability - and he's a multi-dimensional thread the team could really use on offence. In addition, he would be a great complement to Bryant and Witten with his ability to work the middle part of the field as well as the deep seem.
So instead of questioning me, maybe take off your rose-coloured Cowboys glasses off once in a while and try to actually be objective.
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It's a moot point, anyway.
Spielman, Vikings have no interest in trading Harvin
| Quote: | | "We drafted Percy Harvin here," Spielman said. "He's a key part of our organization. He's a key part of our football team. Any issues that are out there or reported, we always handle those internally and continue to handle those internally." |
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It's not surprising that the Vikings won't trade him. Outside of AP, he's their best playmaker, and they could ill-afford to lose him without getting a comparable player in return.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| TheStarStillShines wrote: | | Matts4313 wrote: | I cant take you seriously any more.....
Harvin is in no way as good a WR as Austin. |
How is Austin such a superior WR? Harvin is also a good route runner. He, too, has the ability to run after the catch. He can catch short passes and go deep. His hands are also very good.
Add in his other skills - punt returner, ability to also come out of the backfield, running ability - and he's a multi-dimensional thread the team could really use on offence. In addition, he would be a great complement to Bryant and Witten with his ability to work the middle part of the field as well as the deep seem.
So instead of questioning me, maybe take off your rose-coloured Cowboys glasses off once in a while and try to actually be objective. |
LOL geez you burned him
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TheStarStillShines
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I just really despise it when people who disagree with you can only respond my making a snide remark like, "I can't take you seriously anymore."
It's o.k. to disagree, but at least make an attempt to explain why you disagree.
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TSSS, I'll make an attempt at doing just that. Even, if the Vikings were willing to trade Harvin straight up for Austin, I wouldn't do it. In the grand scheme of things, that move does not make us better at WR. At best, it puts us back in the exact same position. We would still only have 2 good WR's. The only way I would trade for Harvin, is if he was brought in to be our #3 WR, giving us Dez and Austin outside with Harvin in the slot.
Well, that's not true. There is 1 other way I would make that trade. If the Vikings wanted to trade Anthony Spencer, Miles Austin and Phil Costa for Jared Allen, Percy Harvin and John Sullivan, I would be on that like stink on a monkey, like drunk on Matts, like condescension in a Plan9 post or MH hate in a Slam post.
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TheStarStillShines
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| htfryar wrote: | TSSS, I'll make an attempt at doing just that. Even, if the Vikings were willing to trade Harvin straight up for Austin, I wouldn't do it. In the grand scheme of things, that move does not make us better at WR. At best, it puts us back in the exact same position. We would still only have 2 good WR's. The only way I would trade for Harvin, is if he was brought in to be our #3 WR, giving us Dez and Austin outside with Harvin in the slot.
Well, that's not true. There is 1 other way I would make that trade. If the Vikings wanted to trade Anthony Spencer, Miles Austin and Phil Costa for Jared Allen, Percy Harvin and John Sullivan, I would be on that like stink on a monkey, like drunk on Matts, like condescension in a Plan9 post or MH hate in a Slam post. |
While I agree Harvin wouldn't be an upgrade over Austin in the short-term, I think the offence would be more effective because of Harvin's multiple talents. I made my comments above about his ability to stretch the field and to catch short passes and breaking them long. I also think he's a better complement to Bryant than Austin.
And don't forget Harvin's ability to return kicks, which gives him more value than Austin.
Now ideally, the purpose of acquiring Harvin would be to have him as the #3 WR. A WR corps of Bryant, Austin, and Harvin would be terrific. But that likely won't happen unless the Boys are willing to give up some youth and/or draft picks.
Anyway, it's all speculative at this time, and, as Des' link pointed out, Harvin likely isn't going anywhere.
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