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PincheJimmy
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You got it right, It's an Opinion! and The Patriots the model frnachise? the team that videotaped other teams? that stumble upon a great QB in Brady or is all the credit given to Belichek for coaching him up?
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| PincheJimmy wrote: | You got it right, It's an Opinion! and The Patriots the model frnachise? the team that videotaped other teams? that stumble upon a great QB in Brady or is all the credit given to Belichek for coaching him up?
I guess we just have to wait it until Jerry passes on before we win another Superbowl |
yeah because he has done such a bad job the last couple of years..
I don't think that anyone could have expected him to do more then he already has this season.
improved coaching staff? check.
improved o line? check.
improved secondary? double check.
good draft? sure looks good.
I don't really get the idea of people saying that we won't win a SB before Jerry is gone, when there really isnt much to blame him for the last couple of years.
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There's a lot of truth to the article. Is it possible for the Cowboys to win a SB again with Jerry as the GM? Yeah, it's possible. Just like Al Davis could have won 1-2 SBs in the early 2000s if a couple of things had gone differently. People sometimes forget that the Raiders had a couple of really good years and got screwed over by the Tuck rule and the year they make it to the SB, it happens to be against their former coach. So, it's possible to do it.
But, Jerry needs to get out of the way. For example, he needs to completely stop taking star players out of practice to meet with corporate sponsors, etc (I don't know if he did it last year but there were reports about a couple of years ago). He needs to set the tone that winning football games is more important than making money. now that the stadium is built and is no longer a novelty, he needs to let the football people focus on football.
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| The_Slamman wrote: | There's a lot of truth to the article. Is it possible for the Cowboys to win a SB again with Jerry as the GM? Yeah, it's possible. Just like Al Davis could have won 1-2 SBs in the early 2000s if a couple of things had gone differently. People sometimes forget that the Raiders had a couple of really good years and got screwed over by the Tuck rule and the year they make it to the SB, it happens to be against their former coach. So, it's possible to do it.
But, Jerry needs to get out of the way. For example, he needs to completely stop taking star players out of practice to meet with corporate sponsors, etc (I don't know if he did it last year but there were reports about a couple of years ago). He needs to set the tone that winning football games is more important than making money. now that the stadium is built and is no longer a novelty, he needs to let the football people focus on football. |
But, I mean, from an econmics stand point, is that true?
Rings and all are great, and what every athlete/team should strive for. But at the end of the day everyone, even us regular folk, work for pay day. So how can you even begin to get that message across?
Not saying I think Jerry shouldn't get out of the way, just trying to stir up Hurrican Slam n Plan.
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You know what I can't stand about the Jerry-Hate? It's pure blind hate.
He fires a legend and he is crucified. Yet that was a sound decision. While I would have liked to see it handled a different way, The Man in the Hate could no longer coach the team going forward.
He hires a successful college coach and it reeks of nepotism. Never-mind the fact that in life it is not what you know, but who you know. And gosh-darn-it! The move paid off.
He wins more rings in 10 years than the franchise had the other 30. And the next 10 years don't live up to the expectations so everyone is ready to jump ship.
He has won more rings than 23 other franchises. Go be one of their fans.
The Jerry-Hate demonstrates more than anything else one absolute truth: Cowboy Fans are a bunch of Spoiled Children.
Jerry isn't perfect. And no one claims he is. But he also isn't the undoing of this franchise. If you offered any team in the NFL a chance to win 3 SB's in 20 years, the fan base would jump at the opportunity.
Here is the reality. During the Jerry Year's...
*Only four franchises have been to the SB more times: Patriots, Giants, Steelers, and Bills.
*No other team has more SB victories (albeit two are tied - NE and NYG)
* Only three teams have won their division title more than the Cowboys: Patriots, Steelers & 49ers.
Jerry's tenure has also had an influential force in shaping the NFL as well.
What Jerry Jones has done for this franchise is nothing short of incredible. There is no other owner or GM who has accomplished as much as he has, in such a short time.
I get the fact expectations always run high with this franchise. And frankly [Jerry] he loves it. The Cowboys Star is just as known globally as the symbol for the Yankee's. Jerry revived America's Team. I feel a lot of you would be placated if instead of 3 rings in four years it were spread out - more of you would be pleased. Or would you rather be the Eagles? A team who consistently makes the playoff's...who has the most post-season losses during the Jerry years and have not accomplished what we have three times?
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Texas_OutLaw7
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And before anyone crowns me king of homers. Let me be clear. It is all the negativity that forces me to become a more adamant champion of Jerry. It is all the blind hate that drives me to defend him. I have my issues with Jerry, especially as GM. The difference? I don't ignore every positive thing he has contributed.
When Jerry passes from this world to the next, and I take my son to Canton - I will be proud to tell him that the bronze bust is of the greatest owner in Cowboys history.
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PincheJimmy
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| DKDALfan wrote: | | PincheJimmy wrote: | You got it right, It's an Opinion! and The Patriots the model frnachise? the team that videotaped other teams? that stumble upon a great QB in Brady or is all the credit given to Belichek for coaching him up?
I guess we just have to wait it until Jerry passes on before we win another Superbowl |
yeah because he has done such a bad job the last couple of years..
I don't think that anyone could have expected him to do more then he already has this season.
improved coaching staff? check.
improved o line? check.
improved secondary? double check.
good draft? sure looks good.
I don't really get the idea of people saying that we won't win a SB before Jerry is gone, when there really isnt much to blame him for the last couple of years. |
Dont confuse me for a Jerry hater, I said that sarcatically  When all the peeps want to give Jimmy credit for the Superbowls, I just ask them " Who hired Jimmy? case close"  Just giving Plan a hard time!. They have done well the last couple of seasons and we are headed in the right direction! |
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PincheJimmy
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | You know what I can't stand about the Jerry-Hate? It's pure blind hate.
He fires a legend and he is crucified. Yet that was a sound decision. While I would have liked to see it handled a different way, The Man in the Hate could no longer coach the team going forward.
He hires a successful college coach and it reeks of nepotism. Never-mind the fact that in life it is not what you know, but who you know. And gosh-darn-it! The move paid off.
He wins more rings in 10 years than the franchise had the other 30. And the next 10 years don't live up to the expectations so everyone is ready to jump ship.
He has won more rings than 23 other franchises. Go be one of their fans.
The Jerry-Hate demonstrates more than anything else one absolute truth: Cowboy Fans are a bunch of Spoiled Children.
Jerry isn't perfect. And no one claims he is. But he also isn't the undoing of this franchise. If you offered any team in the NFL a chance to win 3 SB's in 20 years, the fan base would jump at the opportunity.
Here is the reality. During the Jerry Year's...
*Only four franchises have been to the SB more times: Patriots, Giants, Steelers, and Bills.
*No other team has more SB victories (albeit two are tied - NE and NYG)
* Only three teams have won their division title more than the Cowboys: Patriots, Steelers & 49ers.
Jerry's tenure has also had an influential force in shaping the NFL as well.
What Jerry Jones has done for this franchise is nothing short of incredible. There is no other owner or GM who has accomplished as much as he has, in such a short time.
I get the fact expectations always run high with this franchise. And frankly [Jerry] he loves it. The Cowboys Star is just as known globally as the symbol for the Yankee's. Jerry revived America's Team. I feel a lot of you would be placated if instead of 3 rings in four years it were spread out - more of you would be pleased. Or would you rather be the Eagles? A team who consistently makes the playoff's...who has the most post-season losses during the Jerry years and have not accomplished what we have three times? |
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| acowboys62 wrote: | | The_Slamman wrote: | There's a lot of truth to the article. Is it possible for the Cowboys to win a SB again with Jerry as the GM? Yeah, it's possible. Just like Al Davis could have won 1-2 SBs in the early 2000s if a couple of things had gone differently. People sometimes forget that the Raiders had a couple of really good years and got screwed over by the Tuck rule and the year they make it to the SB, it happens to be against their former coach. So, it's possible to do it.
But, Jerry needs to get out of the way. For example, he needs to completely stop taking star players out of practice to meet with corporate sponsors, etc (I don't know if he did it last year but there were reports about a couple of years ago). He needs to set the tone that winning football games is more important than making money. now that the stadium is built and is no longer a novelty, he needs to let the football people focus on football. |
But, I mean, from an econmics stand point, is that true?
Rings and all are great, and what every athlete/team should strive for. But at the end of the day everyone, even us regular folk, work for pay day. So how can you even begin to get that message across?
Not saying I think Jerry shouldn't get out of the way, just trying to stir up Hurrican Slam n Plan. |
Of course from an economics standpoint, the reason people go into business is to make money. Here is a universal truth... the better the product, the more money a business is likely to make. It's like comparing Apple to Acer. If Jerry puts a winning product on the field he will make money. If the Cowboys win a championship, he will make even more money.
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| The_Slamman wrote: | There's a lot of truth to the article. Is it possible for the Cowboys to win a SB again with Jerry as the GM? Yeah, it's possible. Just like Al Davis could have won 1-2 SBs in the early 2000s if a couple of things had gone differently. People sometimes forget that the Raiders had a couple of really good years and got screwed over by the Tuck rule and the year they make it to the SB, it happens to be against their former coach. So, it's possible to do it.
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The case can be made that Al Davis was a better GM then Jerry, even after drafting the biggest screwup of all time #1 overall he still made the Raiders contenders in the new millenium. Once Jerry fired Jimmy we were able to see Jerry's true ability as a GM, which is bad. Jerry needed Jimmy (and vice versa) beause we haven't even sniffed a SB (or a championship game for that matter) and some still look back to the 90's or our 5 SB's as greatness, rather than recognizing that greatness hasn't been on the field for Dallas in over 15 years.
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The_Slamman
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | And before anyone crowns me king of homers. Let me be clear. It is all the negativity that forces me to become a more adamant champion of Jerry. It is all the blind hate that drives me to defend him. I have my issues with Jerry, especially as GM. The difference? I don't ignore every positive thing he has contributed.
When Jerry passes from this world to the next, and I take my son to Canton - I will be proud to tell him that the bronze bust is of the greatest owner in Cowboys history. |
So, T_O7, is the there no room for negativity regarding Jerry Jones? I have a 15 year old child. The Cowboys have won 1 playoff game in my child's life time. By the time I was 15, the Cowboys had won a SB and and appeared in 6 NFC Championship games. Over the last 15 years, NFL losers like the Cardinals, Bucs, Seahawks, and Saints have had far more success than the Cowboys. What exactly has Jerry accomplished since Jimmy Johnson left the team that makes you shout from the roof tops "In Jerry We Trust?"
BTW, the "truth" is blind hate? If the Cowboys were winning, do you really think there would be hate? So, the question becomes why hasn't the team had more success? Is there a common denominator between Switzer, Gailey, Campo, Parcells, and Phillips that has prevented the team from taking the next step? If it's not Jerry, then what is it?
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plan9misfit
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| Tony7188 wrote: | | The_Slamman wrote: | There's a lot of truth to the article. Is it possible for the Cowboys to win a SB again with Jerry as the GM? Yeah, it's possible. Just like Al Davis could have won 1-2 SBs in the early 2000s if a couple of things had gone differently. People sometimes forget that the Raiders had a couple of really good years and got screwed over by the Tuck rule and the year they make it to the SB, it happens to be against their former coach. So, it's possible to do it.
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The case can be made that Al Davis was a better GM then Jerry, even after drafting the biggest screwup of all time #1 overall he still made the Raiders contenders in the new millenium. Once Jerry fired Jimmy we were able to see Jerry's true ability as a GM, which is bad. Jerry needed Jimmy (and vice versa) beause we haven't even sniffed a SB (or a championship game for that matter) and some still look back to the 90's or our 5 SB's as greatness, rather than recognizing that greatness hasn't been on the field for Dallas in over 15 years. |
Much of that is because Al Davis was an actual football guy where Jerry isn't and has never been. By the time Davis lost his mind, he had forgotten more about football than Jerry will ever learn. That's the difference. The trouble with Al Davis was that he refused to let go when the game passed him by and when his mental faculties weren't as sharp as they once were. We watched him become a bitter and senile old man where Jerry is just incompetent.
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Texas_OutLaw7
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| The_Slamman wrote: |
So, T_O7, is the there no room for negativity regarding Jerry Jones? \ |
That's not what I am saying, and you know it. There should be an honest discussion. Of the good and of the bad. The problem is we don't get that anymore. All that is mentioned is something akin to: Jerry is the worst thing ever, we will always suck why he is here, if you don't agree with me then you are stupid.
We need to stop trying to break it down to the most basic argument. We need to stop trying to be so divisive. Let's have an honest conversation, not one that just paints one picture so dark that it suffocates all the light.
That was the fundamental problem between the DCOA and the DCRA. It was such a one-sided mockery of a legitimate discussion.
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