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brawl.kc
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| bigschmadt00 wrote: | For those pointing to past #1's starting day one, understand we are both a much better team now, but also Poe isn't nearly as ready to play at this level as either Tyson or Berry. And on top of that, both of them had some growing pains, some more signifcant then others. We are in a position with Powe and Gordon to not have to suffer those pains on the field.
I too agree with J that DE is probably where Poe finds his first home, just like Wilfork, Ngata, and Raji before him. Let him play a one gap to get his feet wet for a while, probably almost half a season, and then work him into the more complex two gap stuff.
Also realize that no d-linemen in the league plays every snap, or at least not for long. The best guys play 2/3's of the D snaps at most. Poe will probably start out playing 50% of the snaps unless someone like Bair really shines in TC and warrants some playing time. By mid season he could easily be up to the 2/3's mark, although I'd still try to limit him some, just to keep him fresh throughout the season/ |
On the note of other guys stepping in as Day 1 starters, Berry & T-Jax -- Our team was so bad that even without experience, those young men had physical tools that far surpassed those of the guys they were replacing (or stepping into a brand new role for) so there was an obvious choice to install them early as starters. Now we have a better foundation, so I don't think we have an issue with the immediate need to plug him in right away.
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Arrowhead86
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Poe has a very good chance to start at NT in week one. His best competition is Gordon, followed by Toribio and then Powe. This is not based on an assessment of their ability.. rather it's based on reports from OTA/Minicamps.
Powe did not have a very good OTA and Minicamp showing.
Certainly all this could change at training camp 2012, but as it stands right now I'd not at all be surprised if Poe secures NT starter. I'm very worried for Powe on the other hand. He doesn't appear to be taking the next step thus far.
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OILCHIEFS
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Arrowhead86 wrote: | Poe has a very good chance to start at NT in week one. His best competition is Gordon, followed by Toribio and then Powe. This is not based on an assessment of their ability.. rather it's based on reports from OTA/Minicamps.
Powe did not have a very good OTA and Minicamp showing.
Certainly all this could change at training camp 2012, but as it stands right now I'd not at all be surprised if Poe secures NT starter. I'm very worried for Powe on the other hand. He doesn't appear to be taking the next step thus far. |
In pure curiosity, where did you get the information about Powe? I couldn't find anything on him and i'm really interested in his progress. |
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Arrowhead86
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Twitter 
Nick Jacobs from Metro Sports I think..
http://twitter.com/jacobs71
on the 14th he had his rankings based on the OTA and minicamps (Powe 4th string) but I thought there was a tweet further back talking about his poor showing. That mixed with other tweets favoring Poe/Gordon and some Toribio mixed in kinda framed the overall opinion for me.
I havent found the specific tweet yet though so it might have been someone else (Teicher on twitter or in a radio interview on 810am for example)
Oh here's one.. on Jacobs twitter on the 13th where someone asked about Powe and why Toribio seemed ahead of him.. and he commented he is late with his hands and has a lot of work ahead of him 
Nick's twitter during OTA and minicamp is a good read as it's almost a play by play.. not every play obviously but he commented a lot on what he saw - he was at every practice.
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This was the only negative I heard - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5199/donald-washington
| Quote: | Chiefs S Donald Washington and NT Jerrell Powe have appeared "buried on the depth chart" at OTAs.
Powe is working behind Dontari Poe, Anthony Toribio, and Amon Gordon, while Washington has been behind Travis Daniels, Kyle McCarthy, and UDFA Terrance Parks even with both Eric Berry and De'Quan Menzie on the shelf. Washington was the 102nd pick in the 2009 draft. He and Powe look to be on the bubble. May 30 - 5:14 PM |
Earlier it was reported that Powe was ahead of Poe, but that could have changed. Even still, it's OTA's, so there is little being decided here. Keep in mind Powe has a known learning disability and didn't have an off-season last year. I'd want to make sure I've done my due diligence before cutting him for someone like say Toribio.
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Thanks Arrowhead! It's still only OTA's but it gives me a little bit of worry hearing that.
| bigschmadt00 wrote: | This was the only negative I heard - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5199/donald-washington
| Quote: | Chiefs S Donald Washington and NT Jerrell Powe have appeared "buried on the depth chart" at OTAs.
Powe is working behind Dontari Poe, Anthony Toribio, and Amon Gordon, while Washington has been behind Travis Daniels, Kyle McCarthy, and UDFA Terrance Parks even with both Eric Berry and De'Quan Menzie on the shelf. Washington was the 102nd pick in the 2009 draft. He and Powe look to be on the bubble. May 30 - 5:14 PM |
Earlier it was reported that Powe was ahead of Poe, but that could have changed. Even still, it's OTA's, so there is little being decided here. Keep in mind Powe has a known learning disability and didn't have an off-season last year. I'd want to make sure I've done my due diligence before cutting him for someone like say Toribio. |
I think Washington will be cut this offseason. He never put it all together. That being said i would hate to cut Powe this early. He has all the tools just like Washington but he also hasn't put it together. I think he will get come leeway with his learning disability but if he can get it in the next1-2 years it hink he will be a killer 2 down runstuffin NT.
I wouldn't mind him being the NT of the future for run downs with Poe playing DE and then kickin inside on pass downs. Might end up being the case with Dorsey and Jackson contract situations. |
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Do people realize Jerrell Powe was drafted as a late 6th round pick? That the Chiefs previous pick was Gabe Miller? I just think some fans might expect too much from Powe, especially tht early in his career. He might become a good NT one day for a few seasons, but I don't think the Chiefs have high expectations for him.
I personnally really don't expect much out of him this year. |
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| Buckweath wrote: | Do people realize Jerrell Powe was drafted as a late 6th round pick? That the Chiefs previous pick was Gabe Miller? I just think some fans might expect too much from Powe, especially tht early in his career. He might become a good NT one day for a few seasons, but I don't think the Chiefs have high expectations for him.
I personnally really don't expect much out of him this year. |
From what i've heard most people have tempered expectation. They know he has lots of potential but know it may take him alot longer to fulfill those expectations. It was just be said to give up on him to soon.
He was drafted in the 6th but had a projection to go in the 3rd which was lowered from late 1st before his last college season. The skill is there. |
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| OILCHIEFS wrote: | | Buckweath wrote: | Do people realize Jerrell Powe was drafted as a late 6th round pick? That the Chiefs previous pick was Gabe Miller? I just think some fans might expect too much from Powe, especially tht early in his career. He might become a good NT one day for a few seasons, but I don't think the Chiefs have high expectations for him.
I personnally really don't expect much out of him this year. |
From what i've heard most people have tempered expectation. They know he has lots of potential but know it may take him alot longer to fulfill those expectations. It was just be said to give up on him to soon.
He was drafted in the 6th but had a projection to go in the 3rd which was lowered from late 1st before his last college season. The skill is there. |
He was batted around here as a possible 2nd or 3rd round pick, much like Ta'amu and Chapman. People may still think of him as a late premium pick. Word is he worked out this off season. If his technique is still raw, that is the reason NTs are prized. Its a tough position to learn.
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| onejayhawk wrote: | | KC_Guy wrote: | | Poe as a backup DE while Powe is the starting NT? Plain BS. |
I stand by that one. Poe will not be the first down NT at the start of the season. He may be a DE on the pass rush package. That is the way RC broke in Wilfork.
J |
I'm with KC_Guy here. Poe in the nickle has been talked about and has the coaches excited, but Poe is expected to start nose tackle day 1. Scott and RAC mentioned simplifying the position and making it the only job Poe would need to get down. Only after he has succeeded there would he be ready for more responsibilities. This doesn't mean he can't be plugged in on 3rd down in a two linemen set and told to simply get to the quarterback. | Scott Pioli wrote: | | If there was an area of our football team that we felt we could get better at, it was the nose. And we felt going into this that he was the best nose available in this draft. |
| Romeo Crennel wrote: | | We think if we can get him and put him at this nose spot and let him play one position and learn all the techniques and blocking schemes from that position, I think that we're going to see a really good player. |
I also don't like Baldwin being listed as "#1". You have mentioned that it is more about on-the-line/off-the-line so X and Z would be more appropriate. Once Bowe signs his contract, he is - without a doubt - our primary receiving threat.
And, finally, Gabe Miller is an OLB. What makes you think he will be good in coverage? He was listed as a DE at Oregon State, so coverage is typically the hardest and last thing a player in his situation will pick up. He was drafted because of how fast he can travel from the end of the LOS to the quarterback, not because of his football skills particularly.
Everything else is hard to argue at a glance. Too much ambiguity to do anything but opine. <- that last sentence sounds dumb
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| UPlay2Win wrote: | | onejayhawk wrote: | | KC_Guy wrote: | | Poe as a backup DE while Powe is the starting NT? Plain BS. |
I stand by that one. Poe will not be the first down NT at the start of the season. He may be a DE on the pass rush package. That is the way RC broke in Wilfork.
J |
I'm with KC_Guy here. Poe in the nickle has been talked about and has the coaches excited, but Poe is expected to start nose tackle day 1. Scott and RAC mentioned simplifying the position and making it the only job Poe would need to get down. Only after he has succeeded there would he be ready for more responsibilities. This doesn't mean he can't be plugged in on 3rd down in a two linemen set and told to simply get to the quarterback. | Scott Pioli wrote: | | If there was an area of our football team that we felt we could get better at, it was the nose. And we felt going into this that he was the best nose available in this draft. |
| Romeo Crennel wrote: | | We think if we can get him and put him at this nose spot and let him play one position and learn all the techniques and blocking schemes from that position, I think that we're going to see a really good player. |
I also don't like Baldwin being listed as "#1". You have mentioned that it is more about on-the-line/off-the-line so X and Z would be more appropriate. Once Bowe signs his contract, he is - without a doubt - our primary receiving threat.
And, finally, Gabe Miller is an OLB. What makes you think he will be good in coverage? He was listed as a DE at Oregon State, so coverage is typically the hardest and last thing a player in his situation will pick up. He was drafted because of how fast he can travel from the end of the LOS to the quarterback, not because of his football skills particularly.
Everything else is hard to argue at a glance. Too much ambiguity to do anything but opine. <- that last sentence sounds dumb |
We will see about Poe. I think single gap pass rush is his big contribution, but that is not to say he will not be first on the chart this season. I just dont think so out of camp.
I give you Miller. Siler evidently impressed in Mini camp. That likely means that Miller and Sheffield get a death match when camp comes.
As for WR, I just dropped the 1 and 2.
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Also there was a story about how Dexter Heyman really impressed in mini-camp too. ILB would be crowded with Miller in the mix there too. Although someone like Miller has the potential to stay on if he truly can provide depth at both, although I tend to agrew tih UP2W that he's not experienced in coverage or playing off the LOS, so he's got a lot to learn there if he's going to have any shot there.
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| bigschmadt00 wrote: | | Also there was a story about how Dexter Heyman really impressed in mini-camp too. ILB would be crowded with Miller in the mix there too. Although someone like Miller has the potential to stay on if he truly can provide depth at both, although I tend to agrew tih UP2W that he's not experienced in coverage or playing off the LOS, so he's got a lot to learn there if he's going to have any shot there. |
This does not surprise me. Heyman was draftable, but badly undersized. He lists at 6'3", 238, was easily the best Senior on the Louisville defense and is in line for one of the ST slots. I doubt he can see game time without more bulk, but he may be able to add it with good training. If he makes the team as a gunner, ILB is his depth chart position.
The thing about Miller in coverage is that he was a receiver, TE to be exact. He understands coverage from the offensive side. He switched to defense and made co-Captain as an undersized DE. This guy oozes leadership. Physically, he is very sudden and has better speed than most DE conversions. I see him as a real possibility for not only the roster, but the rotation.
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